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[draken-heart]

Here is the issue:

 

Spoiler

• The Inquisition is supposed to be there to stop the assassination of the Empress.
• Multiple companions want you to simply let her die, essentially removing the reason you need to be there.
• Picking either Gaspard or Briala was not the reason to be there, therefore making the choice between them is not supposed to be on the mind of the Inquisitor unless you read the Masked Empire

[MoonDrummer]

I go for briala if I am an elf and Gaspard with everyone else, he minds of Robert baratheon, who is best king eu. Celene can go shove it up her arse.
Is there anyway to talk with the leader you choose, before the temple of mythal battle?

[draken-heart]

I go for briala if I am an elf and Gaspard with everyone else, he minds of Robert baratheon, who is best king eu. Celene can go shove it up her arse.
Is there anyway to talk with the leader you choose, before the temple of mythal battle?

 

Again, the issue is that you basically have to screw the reason you were there in the first place (stop the assassination). siding with either is not really correct as you were not there to support them in the first place.

[MoonDrummer]

Again, the issue is that you basically have to screw the reason you were there in the first place (stop the assassination). siding with either is not really correct as you were not there to support them in the first place.

the reason I was there in the first place was to stop orlais falling into chaos, I managed that.

[errantknight]

Again, the issue is that you basically have to screw the reason you were there in the first place (stop the assassination). siding with either is not really correct as you were not there to support them in the first place.

That's not actually true. The advisors present legitimate reasons that you might choose Gaspard. The decision is only cut and dried if your inquisitor isn't the type to consider new information as it arises. Supporting Celene still seemed like the best option to my inquisitor, but supporting Gaspard is a valid choice. There is no right or wrong here.

[draken-heart]

That's not actually true. The advisors present legitimate reasons that you might choose Gaspard. The decision is only cut and dried if your inquisitor isn't the type to consider new information as it arises. Supporting Celene still seemed like the best option to my inquisitor, but supporting Gaspard is a valid choice. There is no right or wrong here.

 

The issue is that they present reasons to break away from the reason you were there. No one brings up the Masked Empire at all. All the advisers say is "Celene is not needed/Gaspard is a strong ruler" except for the Diplomat/Ambassador.
 

[errantknight]

That's arguable, but the fact remains, it in no way hinders your end goal in Orlais to shift tactics. Bioware rarely gives you a right or wrong choice. As strongly as people feel about Loghain's pov in origins vs Alistair's, both can be considered right. It just depends on your pov. This is the same kind of choice. People aren't doing it wrong if they choose Gaspard.

[draken-heart]

That's arguable, but the fact remains, it in no way hinders your end goal in Orlais to shift tactics. Bioware rarely gives you a right or wrong choice. As strongly as people feel about Loghain's pov in origins vs Alistair's, both can be considered right. It just depends on your pov. This is the same kind of choice. People aren't doing it wrong if they choose Gaspard.

 

I know there is no right or wrong. The issue is simply the facts. You are there to stop the assassination on Celene, and not stopping it is not doing your job.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Without the aid of the Inquisitor, the entirety of Thedas would be in shambles.

After all is said and done, one wonders if the Inquisitor might've been better off staying in bed on the morning of the Conclave. Let Thedas burn.

[Scuttlebutt101]

 

I know there is no right or wrong. The issue is simply the facts. You are there to stop the assassination on Celene, and not stopping it is not doing your job.

Our job is to prevent Orlais from falling into chaos and stopping the assassination of her current ruler is only a means to an end. Leliana and Cullen offer an alternative solution - put a stronger ruler on the throne (in their opinion), who would actually focus on defeating the threat to whole Thedas instead of throwing fancy parties. This way, the Inquisition would have a stronger ally and stability in Orlais will be restored. I'm pretty sure that's more or less exactly what Leliana says when she suggests this alternative.

[crimzontearz]

It's there anyone who is not a Traitor in DA:I's Orlais?

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Its The Game everyone is a suspect ... i had 100/100 with the court and had the nobility perk arrested the the culprit .

[crimzontearz]

Its The Game everyone is a suspect ... i had 100/100 with the court and had the nobility perk arrested the the culprit .

say is that why I never got to fight her???

[Steelcan]

I know there is no right or wrong. The issue is simply the facts. You are there to stop the assassination on Celene, and not stopping it is not doing your job.

things change

[Jazzpha]

Interfering in the highest levels of Orlesian politics means never having to say you're sorry.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I know there is no right or wrong. The issue is simply the facts. You are there to stop the assassination on Celene, and not stopping it is not doing your job.

 

Actually, your just trying to keep the empire stable which requires the empire to have a ruler. Who that ruler is specifically is not an issue. Unless you want it to be.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

 

 

Our job is to prevent Orlais from falling into chaos and stopping the assassination of her current ruler is only a means to an end. Leliana and Cullen offer an alternative solution - put a stronger ruler on the throne (in their opinion), who would actually focus on defeating the threat to whole Thedas instead of throwing fancy parties. This way, the Inquisition would have a stronger ally and stability in Orlais will be restored. I'm pretty sure that's pretty much exactly what Leliana  when she suggests this alternative.

 

 

Amusingly, if your play the ball mission in a certain way, throwing fancy parties turns out to be exactly why Celene wins the Civil War. Just an interesting thought. lol

[Costin_Razvan]

Again, the issue is that you basically have to screw the reason you were there in the first place (stop the assassination). siding with either is not really correct as you were not there to support them in the first place.

Unless you're playing a brain dead moron with no agency whatsoever then missions change, objectives change.

Celene is worthless.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Unless you're playing a brain dead moron with no agency whatsoever then missions change, objectives change.

Celene is worthless.

Are you taking a shot at Hawke? 

[Corbinus]

Gaspard made it very clear - he is going to start a war because, yay, expansion and all that. The last thing the world needs is another war started by some power-hungry warlord. Thedas needs peace and stability to rebuild itself. And Orlais needs a diplomat for ruler. And elves need help.

Not to mention that after reading the book I looked forward to killing Gaspard personally, like Warden did in DAO.

Althought the quest itself is a trap for people like me who think "the more the better" I forgot my desire to get rid of Gaspard when I saw I could make them all work together. Surely it had to be the best choice, yes?
Like hell it was. In the end Celene rules only because Inquisition supports her. Which is all well and good for the Inquisition's goals but not quite how I wanted Celene's story to end. So I had to replay the ending and execute Gaspard - ironically what I wanted from the beginning.

I see Celene as a good person who just happened to be the empress of really shitty people. So she has to do some questionable things because otherwise she'll get killed\dethroned\etc and someone way worse then her will take the power.

[herkles]

Gaspard made it very clear - he is going to start a war because, yay, expansion and all that. The last thing the world needs is another war started by some power-hungry warlord. Thedas needs peace and stability to rebuild itself. And Orlais needs a diplomat for ruler. And elves need help.

Not to mention that after reading the book I looked forward to killing Gaspard personally, like Warden did in DAO.

Althought the quest itself is a trap for people like me who think "the more the better" I forgot my desire to get rid of Gaspard when I saw I could make them all work together. Surely it had to be the best choice, yes?
Like hell it was. In the end Celene rules only because Inquisition supports her. Which is all well and good for the Inquisition's goals but not quite how I wanted Celene's story to end. So I had to replay the ending and execute Gaspard - ironically what I wanted from the beginning.

I see Celene as a good person who just happened to be the empress of really shitty people. So she has to do some questionable things because otherwise she'll get killed\dethroned\etc and someone way worse then her will take the power.

You can get Peace between Fereldan and Orlais with Gaspard as the sole ruler btw.

[Barquiel]

Objectives can change, but Gaspard didn't give me any good reason to do so. He tells you that he hates the game (but he still plays it as dirty, if not dirtier then Celene) and his only goal is to expand Orlais' territory (why would my inquisitor support that?). These are simply not a good enough reasons for deposing a progressive-thinking reformer who successfully ruled Orlais for years.

[Colonelkillabee]

Again, the issue is that you basically have to screw the reason you were there in the first place (stop the assassination). siding with either is not really correct as you were not there to support them in the first place.

Hello there drake. Good to see you're still up to your usual tricks, even on a completely different forum.

 

So what if it isn't the original purpose? This is why I love the inquisitor. You were told that you must save the Empress, and yet, you can take a completely different path as you see fit. I chose Gaspard and let that ****** die, because I hate Orlesians and their stupid ass parties. Too busy playing "the game" (eyeroll) to see they're about to get screwed. Gaspard is a military man, so not much chance of that, but above all he's a tool. A fool and a tool that's perfect for the Inquisition to use as they see fit. I'm building a new world order. I could use an Emperor in my pocket.

[LobselVith8]

If you make Briala the power behind the throne, how is the epilogue?

 

The elves are granted rights, and the nobles who dislike the new changes are fearful of the alliance between Briala and the elven Inquisitor. It's said during the Epilogue, "Consider the mighty empire of Orlais where Gaspard has ascended to the Golden Throne. His rule continues only so long as he bows to the will of Briala, the first elf to be granted titles and land. Soon, new rights are granted to elves throughout the land. Plans are made to tear down Alienage walls."

[Lord Surinen]

Orlais is an absolute monarchy, is it not? Her lands, her people.