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[MoonDrummer]

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Then I am happy you are not in power...

Don't come crawling to me when the qunts force barbed wire down her throat, pull it out of her backside and floss her to death.

[Steelcan]

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How typical to pick a single word in an attempt to find something negative?

Gaspard is an indiscutable jerk that brings war. He is a no-brainer nobody likes, but only will fear.

The most important outcome with the makeup between Celen and Briala is that you give two persons the freedom to be together again. Love shall always gain the upper hand - not war.

Except for the part when he doesn't start a war..... yeah.....

 

I too love bringing together lovers, but abusive relationships are something else entirely

[dragonflight288]

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How typical to pick a single word in an attempt to find something negative?

Gaspard is an indiscutable jerk that brings war. He is a no-brainer nobody likes, but only will fear.

The most important outcome with the makeup between Celen and Briala is that you give two persons the freedom to be together again. Love shall always gain the upper hand - not war.

 

Have you read The Masked Empire?

 

Celene's and Briala's relationship is actually quite an abusive one.

[Master Warder Z_]

Have you read The Masked Empire?

 

Celene's and Briala's relationship is actually quite an abusive one.

 

Plus if you actually dig up all the dirt on Celene in the Winter Palace it hardly paints her in a positive light.

 

She knew about Gaspard's moving of forces into the palace and did nothing about it, and she also knew of the assassination of the Heraldic messenger and did nothing about it.

 

She was content to let her first cousin be destroyed by crimes of court intrigue when she could have done something about it.

 

Gaspard isn't a good man, i wouldn't never say he was, but he is an honest man.

 

That's something Celene will never have to her character; honesty.

[Steelcan]

 

She knew about Gaspard's moving of forces into the palace and did nothing about it, and she also knew of the assassination of the Heraldic messenger and did nothing about it.

 

She was content to let her first cousin be destroyed by crimes of court intrigue when she could have done something about it.

I like Gaspard, but he is very much her enemy right now, letting him take the fall for something he didn;t do is in her interest

[Master Warder Z_]

I like Gaspard, but he is very much her enemy right now, letting him take the fall for something he didn;t do is in her interest

 

I was merely pointing out he wouldn't do the same thing, not that it wasn't a viable tactic.

[Vilio1]

She prevented a racist warmongerer from getting the throne, that alone made her the savior of orlais. The fact that she is a capable ruler doesn't hurt either.

[Steelcan]

She prevented a racist warmongerer from getting the throne, that alone made her the savior of orlais. The fact that she is a capable ruler doesn't hurt either.

I wonder who has ordered the deaths of more elves, Celene or Gaspard, because I think Celene has him beat on that account

[I present Chuck Bass]

@OP

Idk, I'm still trying to figure out if she's hot or not. If only my video card was better:(

[Master Warder Z_]

I wonder who has ordered the deaths of more elves, Celene or Gaspard, because I think Celene has him beat on that account

 

Likely so.

 

Even had he defeated all the brigand bands of the Dalish in Orlais that would amount to what?

 

A few hundred at most?

 

Celene killed thousands!

 

Its strikingly impressive.

[Steelcan]

@OP

Idk, I'm still trying to figure out if she's hot or not. If only my video card was better:(

her accent kills anything she may have had going in her favor

[I present Chuck Bass]

her accent kills anything she may have had going in her favor

Yeah nothing a little mute button can't fix.

Plus really I don't mind her accent, I can barley understand anything she is saying... But oddly enough I can roll with that.

[Spectre Impersonator]

So, I guess that Orlesian army that helped the Inquisition fight Corypheus in the Arbor Wilds wasn't a contribution to the story or a thing that happened. Alright.

I didn't see a single Orlesian. Did you? Can you provide some evidence the Orlesians were actually of some use?

[Spectre Impersonator]

How typical of Celene "tomorrow"

"Tomorrow" elves shall receive their just rights and stuff but today I will butcher their civilians and btw murder your parents, Briala. -Celene

[MisterJB]

Kind of wish we could havê stabbed Celene while saying. "Queen Anora sends her regards."
Haven't forgotten those letters to Cailan, thank you very much.

[MisterJB]

.The most important outcome with the makeup between Celen and Briala is that you give two persons the freedom to be together again. Love shall always gain the upper hand - not war.

Do you honestly, genuinely, look at the history of the world and think to yourself "Yes, love is what gains the upper hand, not war."

I mean, seriously?

[MoonDrummer]

@the rest

As for giving Gaspard the throne...

Yeaaaah no.

In a time like Inquisition's the last thing Orlais or the world needs is a bloody war mongerer. I don't care how 'bro' he if he's honourable and honest... war is war, it's gonna effect thousands of people, potentially ruin your economy, and might even be a disaster resulting in the end of your empire.

Celene all the way. Why? Because she's a head for stability. Her policy involves internal affairs, education and all that nonsense.

Gaspard dreams of expansionism, war and glory. The last thing the world needs is a Robert Baratheon on the throne.

Seeing thedas can't go 10 years without some form of apocalypse I think a war leader is exactly what it's most.

[Barquiel]

Have you read The Masked Empire?
 
Celene's and Briala's relationship is actually quite an abusive one.

 
I have read TME. I admit that the relationship between Celene and Briala had its issues (which isn't exactly surprising considering we're talking about the orlesian court here), but Celene did not abuse her power over Briala. Briala was Celene's confidante and spymaster, but she also used her influence on Celene to get what she wants. And it was rather obvious that Briala needed Celenes comfort just as much as Celene needed hers. I thought their relationship was more or less healthy considering the shitty environment they are in.

[dragonflight288]

Plus if you actually dig up all the dirt on Celene in the Winter Palace it hardly paints her in a positive light.

 

She knew about Gaspard's moving of forces into the palace and did nothing about it, and she also knew of the assassination of the Heraldic messenger and did nothing about it.

 

She was content to let her first cousin be destroyed by crimes of court intrigue when she could have done something about it.

 

Gaspard isn't a good man, i wouldn't never say he was, but he is an honest man.

 

That's something Celene will never have to her character; honesty.

 

I know. I've never defended her nor even liked her. 

 

My next Inquisitor is putting Gaspard on the throne. 

 

I don't like either of them, so it makes it easy for me to pick whichever ruler depending on how I'm running that particular Inquisitor. 

[dragonflight288]

 
I have read TME. I admit that the relationship between Celene and Briala had its issues (which isn't exactly surprising considering we're talking about the orlesian court here), but Celene did not abuse her power over Briala. Briala was Celene's confidante and spymaster, but she also used her influence on Celene to get what she wants. And it was rather obvious that Briala needed Celenes comfort just as much as Celene needed hers. I thought their relationship was more or less healthy considering the shitty environment they are in.

 

*shrug* 

 

Guess that's a good enough reason not to get involved with politics. 

[MrNose]

Likely so.

 

Even had he defeated all the brigand bands of the Dalish in Orlais that would amount to what?

 

A few hundred at most?

 

Celene killed thousands!

 

Its strikingly impressive.

 

 

 

Gaspard successfully engineered the deaths of thousands of elves through Celene's actions. He brags about this.

Apparently he did so with such a level of success that even people who have read the entire story were fooled into thinking that Celene is responsible for more elven deaths than she is. 

 

So add Celene's deaths to Gaspard's total:

 

Celene: X# Elven deaths, feels bad about it.

Gaspard: X# + Y# Elven deaths, dgaf. 

 

Pretty cut and dry. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Pretty cut and dry.

Indeed.

Celene is far better elf slayer then Gaspard.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Indeed.

Celene is far better elf slayer then Gaspard.

I find it so incredibly ironic when people criticize Celene for killing elves for rebelling yet support the racist Gaspard who also says he's going to kill people who rebel. You really think he would have ever had second thoughts about killing the elves? He certainly has no problem killing humans for opposing him so what do you think he's going to do to the elves for rebelling? At least Celene tried to find alternatives by killing the nobleman who was agitating the elves. Gaspard would have never even bothered finding any other ways.

[fhs33721]

I didn't see a single Orlesian. Did you? Can you provide some evidence the Orlesians were actually of some use?

You good sir need to get your eyes checked.

The orlaisian soldiers do show up in the arbor wilds.

Note How Empress Celene (and also Emperor Gaspad I suppose) personally shows up in the arbor wilds. You might also see the Orlaisian soldier that hangs out with one of your INquisition soldiers in the back. And there are quite some more of them in other places.