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[raging_monkey]

And where has war led Orlais to? It has been very pathetic time for Orlais, losing every single recent war and ultimately going into a civil war.

they've only lost to fereldan and a minor border skirmish with nevarra. They seem pretty solid

[Lulupab]

they've only lost to fereldan and a minor border skirmish with nevarra. They seem pretty solid

 

Not like there are many nations lol, it only has two enemies in region, Nevarra and Ferelden both of which currently hold conquered land from Orlais. If Free marches was not a dump like it is right now it would fight Orlais too.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ferelden both of which currently hold conquered land from Orlais. 

 

Only if you mean Fereldan it self.

 

The Orlesian Border is right where it was during the occupation.

 

Loghain even comments on it at the ending blurb at the Battle of River Dane when the Chevaliers are crossing from the Frostbacks.

[Lulupab]

Only if you mean Fereldan it self.

 

The Orlesian Border is right where it was during the occupation.

 

Loghain even comments on it at the ending blurb at the Battle of River Dane when the Chevaliers are crossing from the Frostbacks.

 

Its not populated area anyway so one cannot decide. I base my claims on King Alistair cameo on DA2, he points out Orlais might attack Ferelden to get back the lost lands.

[Steelcan]

Its not populated area anyway so one cannot decide. I base my claims on King Alistair cameo on DA2, he points out Orlais might attack Ferelden to get back the lost lands.

meaning all of Ferelden

[raging_monkey]

Orlais should keep its bull inside itself and leave other nation be.

[Master Warder Z_]

Its not populated area anyway so one cannot decide. I base my claims on King Alistair cameo on DA2, he points out Orlais might attack Ferelden to get back the lost lands.

 

The lost province he mentions is Fereldan ._.

 

 

Fereldan has nothing from Orlais and neither does Nevarra considering the Nevarra lands that Nevarra retook were taken by Orlais during their invasion and once Orlais was pushed out of the country all they did was retake lost ground.

 

.-. So you have a bunch of culturally Orlesian Nevarrans sort of sore with their own Kingdom for booting out their preferred governance.

 

Its all covered in WOT; i don't know if you just pick and choose bits of lore and then cobble together just random things you think of or what, but it seems most of the time you are inaccurate when it comes to lore.

[raging_monkey]

Z easy up

Lets all play nice

[In Exile]

Not like there are many nations lol, it only has two enemies in region, Nevarra and Ferelden both of which currently hold conquered land from Orlais. If Free marches was not a dump like it is right now it would fight Orlais too.

 

Fereldan is still a mess from the blight, so really it's just Nevarra. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Fereldan is still a mess from the blight, so really it's just Nevarra. 

 

And even then would they have the muscle to actually invade?

 

Orlais is a LARGE empire.

[Steelcan]

And even then would they have the muscle to actually invade?

 

Orlais is a LARGE empire.

They might be able to seize bits of land close to Ferelden, but a march on Val Royeaux isn't happening

[Lulupab]

meaning all of Ferelden

Nope, Ferelden is 2nd oldest human nation after Tevinter and owns those lands by every right possible. Ah the priceless expression on Chevaliers faces when they got beaten by elves and rioting peasants. Its kick in the groin. You trained for more than ten years to the best warriors? No problem, you life has been a total waste.
 

Orlais should keep its bull inside itself and leave other nation be.

"Orlais" is Val royeaux and some areas around it. The rest of it is conquered. At least Celene knows that and is willing top stop here. Aiding Nevarra in the blight then immediately turning against it and conquering it ("aiding" was a farce, Orlais just sent troops there unchallenged for better conquest) is the worst betrayal in history of Thedas even when compared to Tevinter. And they blame elves of Dales for not aiding them in blights? The nerve of these people.
 

The lost province he mentions is Fereldan ._.
 

 
Fereldan has nothing from Orlais and neither does Nevarra considering the Nevarra lands that Nevarra retook were taken by Orlais during their invasion and once Orlais was pushed out of the country all they did was retake lost ground.
 
.-. So you have a bunch of culturally Orlesian Nevarrans sort of sore with their own Kingdom for booting out their preferred governance.
 
Its all covered in WOT; i don't know if you just pick and choose bits of lore and then cobble together just random things you think of or what, but it seems most of the time you are inaccurate when it comes to lore.

Lol, Orlesians are more delusional than I thought. I have read every piece of lore and I wouldn't do that mistake. However there seems to be a misunderstanding here, I thought Alistair is saying Ferelden holds a bit of Orlesian land because that is the logical understanding, Orlais is absolutely in no position to do such a thing.

[Kieran G.]

They might be able to seize bits of land close to Ferelden, but a march on Val Royeaux isn't happening

There is no way Ferelden they can muster the numbers or strength to cross the frostback and then begin conquering. and i doubt ferelden has any sort of navy really.

 

The only way they could march towards Orlais would take the road past Jader which would probably have thousands of Orlesians there in just days. and since again Ferelden doesn't seem to have any real type of Navy they would just be marching into a heavily armed location.

 

The best hope i see for the south is if Nevarra, Ferelden and Orlais all join an alliance or become one nation. that's the only way i see Thedas have any force that can push back another Blight or Qunari invasion.

[Steelcan]

Nope, Ferelden is 2nd oldest human nation after Tevinter and owns those lands by every right possible. Ah the priceless expression on Chevaliers faces when they got beaten by elves and rioting peasants. Its kick in the groin. You trained for more than ten years to the best warriors? No problem, you life has been a total waste.

You either completely missed my point or are deliberately not addressing it

[Lulupab]

You either completely missed my point or are deliberately not addressing it

 

I didn't miss it, I was expressing my hate of Orlais, because why not. I know what you meant by that.

[Steelcan]

There is no way Ferelden they can muster the numbers or strength to cross the frostback and then begin conquering. and i doubt ferelden has any sort of navy really.

 

The best hope i see for the south is if Nevarra, Ferelden and Orlais all join an alliance or become one nation. that's the only way i see Thedas have any force that can push back another Blight or Qunari invasion.

Nah, Ferelden will recover in time, Orlais after the Civil war is over will be back to playing empire maker, and Nevarra is doing its thing, no reason for them to all become one nation

[Steelcan]

I didn't miss it, I was expressing my hate of Orlais, because why not. I know what you meant by that.

Ok hate Orlais all you want, but Ferelden owns no Orlesian lands

[Master Warder Z_]

There is no way Ferelden they can muster the numbers or strength to cross the frostback and then begin conquering. and i doubt ferelden has any sort of navy really.

 

The best hope i see for the south is if Nevarra, Ferelden and Orlais all join an alliance or become one nation. that's the only way i see Thedas have any force that can push back another Blight or Qunari invasion.

 

I think Thedas's best bet if Orlais actually conquerors Fereldan again and enters into a truce with Nevarra.

 

With access to the Waking Sea from multiple ports across its territory Orlais can meet the Qunari Navy from any landing point in Southern Thedas save the other side of the Anderfels.

 

Giving Nevarra a highway to stream its own forces further north if the need arises, it really comes down to who controls the sea for that is how you will win a conflict in Thedas.

[ev76]

Although I would not mind being on team Gaspard, he may ask to much of the inquisition. I see him asking for celenes head and the head of whoever is ruling ferelden.

[raging_monkey]

Why does every one think national unformity is a good thing.

Just curious

[Melca36]

Actually, Gaspard is Harrowmont, traditionalist, Celene IS Bhelen, reformist.

 

Gaspard is not a ruler, he's a warrior, his plan to end the civil war is...another invasion of Ferelden, I'd choose Celene any day of the week.

 

Yep. Im siding with Celene. Ferelden is toast if Gaspard rules.

[Mihura]

>Celene is more peaceful and subtle

>burns down an alienage and thousands with it

 

Sure Gaspard left her with few options, but if she can get played by a soldier she doesn't deserve to dit the throne anymore

 

Did you read my post? I said they both kill to gain power but if Celene is not forced she would not do it. Gaspard wants a war, Celene does not.

Actually Gaspard got lucky on the rumor he spread to force her hand. If anything Celene got played by her own feelings over Briala. It seems when it comes to her lover she looses sight of what is important, if Celene had chosen to not rush into things the ambush would never had worked.

Gaspard is not a honorable man, there is no honor in killing your own soldiers and unarmed civilians because I want the thrones. Although I can give you that Gaspard is indeed a smart man and does not let the code of the chevaliers getting in the way of power.

[Steelcan]

Yep. Im siding with Celene. Ferelden is toast if Gaspard rules.

Alistair hinted that Orlais was going to attack even under Celene...

 

And we have seen how infirm she is in the face of opposition from the nobles.....

[Lulupab]

Ok hate Orlais all you want, but Ferelden owns no Orlesian lands

 

I hope you didn't miss my misunderstanding part as well.

[Master Warder Z_]

Why does every one think national unformity is a good thing.

Just curious

 

o.o Because that is how you achieve greatness.

 

You break cultural identity and replace it with a national one.

 

You give them an ideal, a vision.