Mine is more simple. Just give them the Emerald Graves, Arbor Wilds, and the Dales so they could stay there. If any human crosses there is at his/her own risk.
I'm afraid to point out that it's exactly the same situation that happened with the original Dales. It ended in a complete disaster. For the elves.
That's because the Chantry struck them first because the elves refuse to convert to their religion. I realized that humans will never leave elves alone no matter what.I'm afraid to point out that it's exactly the same situation that happened with the original Dales. It ended in a complete disaster. For the elves.
That's because the Chantry struck them first because the elves refuse to convert to their religion. I realized that humans will never leave elves alone no matter what.
Wrong. The Dales struck first when they invaded Orlais. The Chantry didn't step in until the Dales nearly won.
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/DalesWrong. The Dales struck first when they invaded Orlais. The Chantry didn't step in until the Dales nearly won.
I know the lore. The only people who claim the Chantry started it are the Dalish, and they have no evidence to support their assertion whereas there is evidence that they were the instigators.
Then why the Chantry supports the oppression of elves in the first place? Why do they put lies in history to encourage everybody to hate elves?I know the lore. The only people who claim the Chantry started it are the Dalish, and they have no evidence to support their assertion whereas there is evidence that they were the instigators.
The wiki supports Hanako's claim. The records revealed in DAI show that the spark of the war lay in a misunderstanding that led to the Emeral Knights slaughtering an entire human village. At which point the Dalish apparently launched a preemptive invasion of Orlais. The Chantry didn't declare an Exalted March until the Dalsih had nearly reached Val Royaeux.
That's because the Chantry struck them first because the elves refuse to convert to their religion. I realized that humans will never leave elves alone no matter what.
As Hanako and Heimdall have pointed out, the actual war started when the Dalish attacked Red Crossing. Which was born from a misunderstanding, true, but it happened. It was the last straw after decades of mutual distrust, resentment for what happened during the Second Blight, religious differences and frontier tensions based precisely on that "if someone from the other side crosses, you know what happens" mentality.
That's because it was that fool's fault for bringing a human to their borders in the first place. That man is an idiot for bringing misfortunes of his own people. Typical.As Hanako and Heimdall have pointed out, the actual war started when the Dalish attacked Red Crossing. Which was born from a misunderstanding, true, but it happened. It was the last straw after decades of mutual distrust, resentment for what happened during the Second Blight, religious differences and frontier tensions based precisely on that "if someone from the other side crosses, you know what happens" mentality.
That's because it was that fool's fault for bringing a human to their borders in the first place. That man is an idiot for bringing misfortunes of his own people. Typical.
it was still the elves' fault
So the elves deserved to be hated? Huh?it was still the elves' fault
So the elves deserved to be hated? Huh?
No, but it shows that the solution you propose won't stop another fall of the Dales, because it didn't stop the first Dales from falling in the first place. Instead of ensuring a peaceful solution, isolationism and anti-human hostility can easily spark another war the moment a zealot or a moron (or both) takes it too far.
That's because it was that fool's fault for bringing a human to their borders in the first place. That man is an idiot for bringing misfortunes of his own people. Typical.
Actually they didn't.
What happened was an elf who was part of the Emerald Knights fell in love with a human. The other Emerald Knights grew suspicious of their comrade becoming distant, so one of them decided to follow him one night when he went to the human settlement of Red Crossing.
Unfortunately they got there too early, so the woman ran forward (believing the figure in shadow to be her lover) only to be struck down by the other Knight's arrows, thinking she was seeking to attack them. That is when the elf who was her paramour arrived and refused to leave her body. So when the mob arrived and found an elf over a death human, they killed him, thinking he was her murderer.
The other Knight hoofed it back, but the news of the paramour Knight's death had already found its way back, so that the truth of what really happened was eventually lost in the retelling and as more mobs began to form seeking a reprisal.
Similar to The Masked Empire, the death of a peaceful and tolerant elf who believed in coexistence, ended up becoming the martyr and rallying cry for those seeking violence and hatred against humans. Which leads to the irony being that if they had lived, those same mobs would have probably killed them for "siding with the enemy".
While the Elves did unwitting fire the first shots in the conflict, it was a misunderstanding and the racial tensions between the two groups made it a powder-keg that would have likely gone off at some point regardless.
As we learn in JoH, it's entirely possible if Inquisitor Ameridan had still been around to convince the Elves to lend aid during the Second Blight, the entire Fall of the Dales could have been averted. Rather than Orlais resenting the Dalish for not helping their own fight against the Darkspawn, both could have united against a common foe and built up stronger ties of co-operation and trust between their disparate peoples.
So they should diverse with humans to get along and love each other? Despite the horrors of what the elves have gone through with humans? It will solve nothing but going to a vicious cycle of oppression all over again. I just have all elves into eluvians to find a place somewhere far away from them to start over.No, but it shows that the solution you propose won't stop another fall of the Dales, because it didn't stop the first Dales from falling in the first place. Instead of ensuring a peaceful solution, isolationism and anti-human hostility can easily spark another war the moment a zealot or a moron (or both) takes it too far.
Optimistic but the man is still an idiot for causing the misery of their children's children to suffer at the hands of them.Actually they didn't.
What happened was an elf who was part of the Emerald Knights fell in love with a human. The other Emerald Knights grew suspicious of their comrade becoming distant, so one of them decided to follow him one night when he went to the human settlement of Red Crossing.
Unfortunately they got there too early, so the woman ran forward (believing the figure in shadow to be her lover) only to be struck down by the other Knight's arrows, thinking she was seeking to attack them. That is when the elf who was her paramour arrived and refused to leave her body. So when the mob arrived and found an elf over a death human, they killed him, thinking he was her murderer.
The other Knight hoofed it back, but the news of the paramour Knight's death had already found its way back, so that the truth of what really happened was eventually lost in the retelling and as more mobs began to form seeking a reprisal.
Similar to The Masked Empire, the death of a peaceful and tolerant elf who believed in coexistence, ended up becoming the martyr and rallying cry for those seeking violence and hatred against humans. Which leads to the irony being that if they had lived, those same mobs would have probably killed them for "siding with the enemy".
While the Elves did unwitting fire the first shots in the conflict, it was a misunderstanding and the racial tensions between the two groups made it a powder-keg that would have likely gone off at some point regardless.
As we learn in JoH, it's entirely possible if Inquisitor Ameridan had still been around to convince the Elves to lend aid during the Second Blight, the entire Fall of the Dales could have been averted. Rather than Orlais resenting the Dalish for not helping their own fight against the Darkspawn, both could have united against a common foe and built up stronger ties of co-operation and trust between their disparate peoples.
Optimistic but the man is still an idiot for causing the misery of their children's children to suffer at the hands of them.
Actually, it shows that the only misery comes from bigots, those who'd refuse to accept or seek peaceful coexistence with other groups, do not tolerate interracial marriage or any kind of integration, as well as let their xenophobia cause everyone to suffer for it.
The only idiots are those who spread intolerance and hatred, which is what happened in this example. Both sides in the Fall of the Dales were too busy hating each other, that both sides suffered for it and the resentment has lasted for over 800 years.
So you're calling me that just because I don't agree with you? Different people see different things you know. *sighs*Actually, it shows that the only misery comes from bigots, those who'd refuse to accept or seek peaceful coexistence with other groups, do not tolerate interracial marriage or any kind of integration, as well as let their xenophobia cause everyone to suffer for it.
The only idiots are those who spread intolerance and hatred, which is what happened in this example. Both sides in the Fall of the Dales were too busy hating each other, that both sides suffered for it and the resentment has lasted for over 800 years.
the lesson of the Dales is that the knife ears cannot be trusted
So you're calling me that just because I don't agree with you? Different people see different things you know. *sighs*
Yes, because intolerance is inherently foolish. Those who see the world in such a way, need a serious perspective (and attitude) adjustment.
I'm going to leave this here, because it says it all far better than I can;
But the TL;DR version basically boils down to "Calm down and play nice", a lesson Thedas (and our world) could stand to learn. 
So you're calling me that just because I don't agree with you? Different people see different things you know. *sighs*
Based on your signature, what were you expecting?
And here I thought we're having a productive debate. Let's take this slow. The reason why diversity among humans with elves is a terrible idea is because the humans set up a system to keep the elves oppressed by putting them in alienages, jobs that pays them crumbs, they've been beaten, murdered, and the women were being raped by humans, and the elves divided and distrustful of each other. Humans set it up to keep the elves in misery to benefit on their own behalf simply because they hate elves, and they continued that cycle to keep them there in dirt, filth, and less. That is why segregation is the best solution to let the elves to move foward pass their grieviances to grow and recover by uniting among each other.Yes, because such hatred is foolish. Those who see the world in such a way, need a serious perspective (and attitude) adjustment.
I'm going to leave this here, because it sums up it all far better than I can;
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Oh FFS, are you lot still feeding this guy?
And here I thought we're having a productive debate. Let's take this slow. The reason why diversity among humans with elves is a terrible idea is because the humans set up a system to keep the elves oppressed by putting them in alienages, jobs that pays them crumbs, they've been beaten, murdered, and the women were being raped by humans, and the elves divided and distrustful of each other. Humans set it up to keep the elves in misery to benefit on their own behalf simply because they hate elves, and they continued that cycle to keep them there in dirt, filth, and less. That is why segregation is the best solution to let the elves to move foward pass their grieviances to grow and recover by uniting among each other.
Err, there already are segregated communities for elves... they are called Alienages.
And there's another bunch of isolationists... they're called the Dalish.
Furthermore, there was a segregated and isolationist Elven nation... it was called the Dales.
So, I think that the history of Thedas shows that elven segregation is fine... if you want them to end up in a bunch of urban ghettos, as nomadic refugees or to have their nation be inevitably conquered, after their xenophobic populous pick the wrong fight with the neighours.
Humans and elves can never learn to play nice, if they're kept separate enough they never can learn how to play nice.
Oh FFS, are you lot still feeding this guy?
Err, there already are segregated communities for elves... they are called Alienages.
And there's another bunch of isolationists... they're called the Dalish.
Furthermore, there was a segregated and isolationist Elven nation... it was called the Dales.
So, I think that the history of Thedas shows that elven segregation is fine... if you want them to end up in a bunch of urban ghettos, as nomadic refugees or to have their nation be inevitably conquered, after their xenophobic populous pick the wrong fight with the neighours.
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