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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Yep.

[Hellion Rex]

Felassan met Solas for the last time knowing very well that he would pay. His demise is precisely another proof he's a good judge of character, not the opposite.

He never trusted that Solas would buy a lie or forgive him. He even entertained the idea of running away, with herbs that would keep from dreaming most of the time, and wards that would block him from the Fade in case the herbs failed, "running and hiding and looking over one shoulder for the rest of his life". In the end, though, he decided that "it was pointless to put it off any longer".

I still found it...interesting that Solas really had to kill Felassan for his failure. Pretty ruthless.

[Hellion Rex]

Broader question though: Felassan has been around for quite some time though, since Briala was little. Why was he, an agent, already awake when Solas himself was still sleeping?

[The Elder King]

Felassan met Solas for the last time knowing very well that he would pay. His demise is precisely another proof he's a good judge of character, not the opposite.

 

He never trusted that Solas would buy a lie or forgive him. He even entertained the idea of running away, with herbs that would keep from dreaming most of the time, and wards that would block him from the Fade in case the herbs failed, "running and hiding and looking over one shoulder for the rest of his life". In the end, though, he decided that "it was pointless to put it off any longer".

Fair enough, it was a while since I read the book. Though on the other hand it's not proof of being a good judge of character. He just knew Solas won't give a second chance which it might be because the latter already stated that.

 

It is interesting to see this side of Solas, considering there shouldn't be any miswritings. The Solas in the book is written by the same author of Solas in the game, and I doubt that at that point they didn't know Solas was going to be the Fen'harel, since DAI was quite ahead in development. I don't know if something changed about Solas, since we have concept art where he seems different from the current Solas. Regardless, he still has this side of ruthlessness.

 

Broader question though: Felassan has been around for quite some time though, since Briala was little. Why was he, an agent, already awake when Solas himself was still sleeping?

That is actually problematic. I don't recall the exact same time when Solas woke up and TME happened, but even in the case Solas awoken shortly before, he wouldn't have been able to recruit Felassan so quickly.

It might be a miswriting from Weekes.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Then why she's slaughtered the elves @ the alienage instead of bringing the noble to justice for causing the elves to stand up for themselves? Celene is nothing but a hypocrite but that is my belief.

You obviously never read the book as that was Celene's original idea but Gaspard forced her to burn the alienage

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

That's just an excuse to commit murder. If she's smart she would've married him when he asked her to to end the ongoing conflict, or have him killed but make it look like an accident and that way the nobility never suspected Celene killed him.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You obviously never read the book as that was Celene's original idea but Gaspard forced her to burn the alienage

"You are not fit to fight Mr. Zurkon."

[BansheeOwnage]

Broader question though: Felassan has been around for quite some time though, since Briala was little. Why was he, an agent, already awake when Solas himself was still sleeping?

Presumably because Solas can command from the fade.

[Mistic]

I still found it...interesting that Solas really had to kill Felassan for his failure. Pretty ruthless.

 

It is. It's going to be interesting if in DA4 he takes a more ruthless role than the kind and friendly sage we saw in DA:I. I can almost hear the cries of some fans, saying that it's completely out of character for him... forgetting that TME's Solas has indeed the role of a sinister villain in the shadows willing to manipulate others as pawns and kill his own agents if they fail him.

 

But it's not as if Solas didn't warn us at the end of Trespasser:

 

"I did not lead a rebellion against immortal mage-kings without getting my hands bloody".

 

Yes, interesting indeed.

[German Soldier]

I read the Masked Empire. What the--!!

 

Spoiler

Solas killed Falessan for merely not doing his bidding? but doesn't kill the Inquisitor for aggressively stating to his face that he/she will actively try to get in his way?

Amazingly enough, for a book about Celene and Gaspard, it was super elfy and I can't help but actively dislike Solas more because of it.

 

 

Welcome to the Dragon age writing

[MisterJB]

When Celene came into power, the University of Orlais was a worthless institution that did little beyond write strongly worded pieces about other nations. She turned it into the greatest center of learning in Thedas with Alexius having sent his son, who had no talent as a mage, to study there.

That is reason enough for me to support her if Briala is gone.

[BansheeOwnage]

It is. It's going to be interesting if in DA4 he takes a more ruthless role than the kind and friendly sage we saw in DA:I. I can almost hear the cries of some fans, saying that it's completely out of character for him... forgetting that TME's Solas has indeed the role of a sinister villain in the shadows willing to manipulate others as pawns and kill his own agents if they fail him.

 

But it's not as if Solas didn't warn us at the end of Trespasser:

 

"I did not lead a rebellion against immortal mage-kings without getting my hands bloody".

 

Yes, interesting indeed.

To be fair, as I understand it he didn't kill him because he failed, he killed him because he was now his enemy. It is ruthless, no denying, but still.

[phoray]

To be fair, as I understand it he didn't kill him because he failed, he killed him because he was now his enemy. It is ruthless, no denying, but still.

Where did it imply they were now Enemies? Other than his lack of action losing him and Solas the passcode, I never got the feeling Falessan would actually try to stop Solas.

[Heimdall]

Where did it imply they were now Enemies? Other than his lack of action losing him and Solas the passcode, I never got the feeling Falessan would actually try to stop Solas.

Felassan didn't fail, he chose not to complete his mission. It wasn't a matter of being unable, but a choice not to go through with Solas' plan. That, apparently, made him a threat, or a liability considering his knowledge of Solas and his aims.

[Jaison1986]

To be fair, as I understand it he didn't kill him because he failed, he killed him because he was now his enemy. It is ruthless, no denying, but still.

 

That's debatable. Most players who kill Anders would disagree if someone said they were ruthless for killing their former ally because they took offense with what he did. They would find themselves perfectly justified, in fact. Solas had reason to kill Felassan. He failed his mission on pourpose, and as far as Solas was concerned, Felassan could turn against him and try to foil his plans. I don't consider Felassan death ruthless nor inconsequential. It just... was.

 

Either way, I'm not sure if Solas would ever do such a thing again. After all, he does spare you even if you say in his face that you will stop him no matter the cost. His time in the inquisition clearly changed him, compared to the kind of person he used to be.

[Mistic]

To be fair, as I understand it he didn't kill him because he failed, he killed him because he was now his enemy. It is ruthless, no denying, but still.

 

Ah, but I didn't say Solas killed Felassan because he failed his mission, but because he failed him. It's "fail" in the sense of "to prove disappointing, undependable, or useless to (someone)". Solas trusted his agent to work for their grand project, and instead Felassan chose to betray his goals and help a City Elf in her struggle.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Err, there already are segregated communities for elves... they are called Alienages.
 
And there's another bunch of isolationists... they're called the Dalish.
 
Furthermore, there was a segregated and isolationist Elven nation... it was called the Dales.
 
So, I think that the history of Thedas shows that elven segregation is fine... if you want them to end up in a bunch of urban ghettos, as nomadic refugees or to have their nation be inevitably conquered, after their xenophobic populous pick the wrong fight with the neighours.
 
Humans and elves can never learn to play nice, if they're kept separate enough they never can learn how to play nice.

It's like living sislde by side with a bunch of murderers and rapists. Come on.

[DuskWanderer]

It's like living sislde by side with a bunch of murderers and rapists. Come on.

Wow. Which are the murderers and rapists?

 

If the elves can't realize that their grand experiment in isolaton already failed more than once, then they are idiots

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Wow. Which are the murderers and rapists?

If the elves can't realize that their grand experiment in isolaton already failed more than once, then they are idiots

If it wasn't for that elf sneaking with a human woman, the elves would've have peace and forgave humans in time. All they wanted is independence from human influence, it was his selfishness that caused the war between the elves and humans. And why should they side with people who hate them anyways? If they can't get along then separate from each other it is simple as that.

[MisterJB]

It's like living sislde by side with a bunch of murderers and rapists. Come on.

Sure, most elves are murderers and rapists but should we really kill them all for it?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Sure, most elves are murderers and rapists but should we really kill them all for it?

Wow! I haven't really thought of that! You are the most intelligent person in the world!!! How observant of you!!

[BansheeOwnage]

If it wasn't for that elf sneaking with a human woman, the elves would've have peace and forgave humans in time. All they wanted is independence from human influence, it was his selfishness that caused the war between the elves and humans. And why should they side with people who hate them anyways? If they can't get along then separate from each other it is simple as that.

You know, for someone who's all about fighting for oppressed minorities and such, you really like to stereotype groups. Also, since when was loving someone being selfish? I mean, seriously?! Your special perfect system for helping the elves involves them not being allowed to be with other races, romantically and otherwise? Sounds like an awful lot of unfortunate ideas in real life.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You know, for someone who's all about fighting for oppressed minorities and such, you really like to stereotype groups. Also, since when was loving someone being selfish? I mean, seriously?! Your special perfect system for helping the elves involves them not being allowed to be with other races, romantically and otherwise? Sounds like an awful lot of unfortunate ideas in real life.

But he should've known better of bringing her to their territory in the first place, they could've ran away together and the war would've never happened. He put his own selfish wants over his own people and that causes the downfall of elves because of his selfishness and carelessness, I mean cone in the pattern is pretty obvious. I played Fallout: NV DLC called The Lonesome Road is about a place called The Divide, there was a man named Ulysses who contacted me with my robot and say that my character carelessly carried a package that sets off the nuclear weapons underground that tore The Divide into chaos. And he wants revenge for what I did out of carelessness that costs lives that once lived in the thriving city. The moral of the story is that selfishness and carelessness can cripple people and nations.

[Sifr]

If it wasn't for that elf sneaking with a human woman, the elves would've have peace and forgave humans in time. All they wanted is independence from human influence, it was his selfishness that caused the war between the elves and humans. And why should they side with people who hate them anyways? If they can't get along then separate from each other it is simple as that.

 

So you're saying that interracial couples should not exist, because how dare someone betray their race by falling in love with someone from a different group, rather than hating them unconditionally? I think you should probably avoid Mae, she might take exception to that.

 

And you should probably avoid mentioning it to mixed race individuals like Feynriel (human/elf), Alistair (human/elf) and possibly Sandal (Elf/dwarf) as well, I suspect they wouldn't take too kindly to being told they shouldn't exist in your mind.

 

But he should've known better of bringing her to their territory in the first place, they could've ran away together and the war would've never happened. He put his own selfish wants over his own people and that causes the downfall of elves because of his selfishness and carelessness, I mean cone in the pattern is pretty obvious. I played Fallout: NV DLC called The Lonesome Road is about a place called The Divide, there was a man named Ulysses who contacted me with my robot and say that my character carelessly carried a package that sets off the nuclear weapons underground that tore The Divide into chaos. And he wants revenge for what I did out of carelessness that costs lives that once lived in the thriving city. The moral of the story is that selfishness and carelessness can cripple people and nations.

 

Except that the FNV scenario does not equate to that whatsoever, because the destruction of the Divide was not the Courier's fault, nor was it a result of their carelessness or selfishness. The Courier merely carried a package to a location because they were hired to do so (it's the friggin' job). We're told they were never made aware of the package's contents and even the NCR (who hired them) were implied to have thought it was some harmless pre-War tech that never got delivered because of the war, rather than containing nuclear launch codes.

 

The entire point of Ulysses' story is that his vendetta is caused by misplaced hatred, because he's been desperately trying to rationalise and find someone to blame for a tragedy that was nothing more than a terrible accident, rather than something intentional. It's easier for him to blame the Courier as the instrument of destruction and believe they intended it to happen, because that way all those people wouldn't have died for no reason at all.

 

Same with what happened in Red Crossing, it was no-one's fault what happened.

 

How could anyone ever imagine something as pure and innocent as two people in love, would end up being a starcrossed romance that would end up leading to both of them dying, a huge war breaking out from their respective kinsmen to "avenge" them, as well as the fall of the entire Dales?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

So you're saying that interracial couples should not exist, because how dare someone betray their race by falling in love with someone from a different group, rather than hating them unconditionally? I think you should probably avoid Mae, she might take exception to that.

And you should probably avoid mentioning it to mixed race individuals like Feynriel (human/elf), Alistair (human/elf) and possibly Sandal (Elf/dwarf) as well, I suspect they wouldn't take too kindly to being told they shouldn't exist in your mind.



Except that the FNV scenario does not equate to that whatsoever, because the destruction of the Divide was not the Courier's fault, nor was it a result of their carelessness or selfishness. The Courier merely carried a package to a location because they were hired to do so (it's the friggin' job). We're told they were never made aware of the package's contents and even the NCR (who hired them) were implied to have thought it was some harmless pre-War tech that never got delivered because of the war, rather than containing nuclear launch codes.

The entire point of Ulysses' story is that his vendetta is caused by misplaced hatred, because he's been desperately trying to rationalise and find someone to blame for a tragedy that was nothing more than a terrible accident, rather than something intentional. It's easier for him to blame the Courier as the instrument of destruction and believe they intended it to happen, because that way all those people wouldn't have died for no reason at all.

Same with what happened in Red Crossing, it was no-one's fault what happened.

How could anyone ever imagine something as pure and innocent as two people in love, would end up being a starcrossed romance that would end up leading to both of them dying, a huge war breaking out from their respective kinsmen to "avenge" them, as well as the fall of the entire Dales?

Look I'm not completely against interracial relationships but the fact of the matter is that he should never bring her to their territory in the first place, if he was smart he would've gone somewhere else to prevent an incident between two peoples. That's why I called him selfish and careless and even the "relationship" with Celene & Briala didn't go together and it wasn't a love thing at all, Briala is nothing but a fling and a tool Celene can use. And why you're making these wild accusations of things that I never said??? As I said before different people see different things and I'm not going to back down of what I believe in and I will not apologize to you just because you're pissed off solely because I don't agree with you. I believe what I believe you believe what you believe. We're different people dude you can't expect everyone to be in the same level as you, so don't get mad at people for having their own opinions. Chill.