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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Yes. The lore states that elves can be Templars and Seekers. In fact the character Evangeline was originally going to be an elf.
As for priestesses, also yes. In Dragon Age 2 if you have Sebastian's DLC, in Act 2 you save a female elf and in Act 3 you get a letter from her and it says how she joined the Chantry and is now a Sister.

But I never seen the elves as Templars nor Seekers on the game.

[Steelcan]

Yeah, but they are extremely rare. 

 

We have Dwarves on their ranks too, very rare as well.

the point being however, that they do exist

[Xilizhra]

Yes. The lore states that elves can be Templars and Seekers. In fact the character Evangeline was originally going to be an elf. 

As for priestesses, also yes. In Dragon Age 2 if you have Sebastian's DLC, in Act 2 you save a female elf and in Act 3 you get a letter from her and it says how she joined the Chantry and is now a Sister. 

A sister is not a priest. Sebastian is a brother, after all (or was). Elves are not permitted to be revered mothers or anything higher.

[Lulupab]

The whole Solas plot isn't a good thing for the elves, considering there are high chances his plan won't succeed.

 

What's his "plan" though? Apart from removing the veil. Not that much info. I mean apart from fighting those who will stand in the way of this goal.

 

Also Thedasa without veil is actually the natural state of the world, the way mother nature wanted it to be if you are in poetic mood. The current state of Thedas is "fake".

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But I never seen elves Templars nor Seekers on the game.

How do you know? The Templar and Seeker character models wear helmets. 

 

A sister is not a priest. Sebastian is a brother, after all (or was). Elves are not permitted to be revered mothers or anything higher.

Yes they are. Sister is just a rank of the priestesses. Most of the priestesses we meet in the franchise are Sisters. Are you saying none of them were priestesses? 

[Shechinah]

the immediate survivors might have been a ad upset about it, but there's no large movement among the city elves to revive the Dalish pantheon or way of life so I don't think they are clamoring for it.

 

Now or then?

 

In regards to now: it is mentioned somewhere on the Wikipedia that the old worship came back gratually, I believe, in some Alienages.

 

The elves of some Alienages also have their own culture and beliefs which can be a blend of Andrastian and their remembrance of old Arlathan such as the Vhenadahl which is a symbol of it that some elves pray at. Sometimes a Vhenadahl is kept out of habit or tradition, though. 

 

Some city elves and entire alienages are unaware that the Dalish actually exist with most believing them to be only stories while in other cities, they are known and how they are looked upon by city elves differs. I believe this is shown in the City Elf Origin.

 

It is one aspect of the lore where I cannot tell if they've been inconsistent with or simply not sufficently portrayed it.  
 

[Steelcan]

But I never seen elves Templars nor Seekers on the game.

I've never seen an Uzbek in real life either

[The Elder King]

What's his "plan" though? Apart from removing the veil. Not that much info. I mean apart from fighting those who will stand in the way of this goal.

 

Also Thedasa without veil is actually the natural state of the world, the way mother nature wanted it to be if you are in poetic mood. The current state of Thedas is "fake".

His plan is vague, but considering what he said, I wouldn't bet on being positive for the people currently in Thedas, at least for most of them.

Also, in the case the removing of the Veil will cause deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, I don't think it's worth it.

That's without considering the freeing of the Evanuris. 

[Steelcan]

What's his "plan" though? Apart from removing the veil. Not that much info. I mean apart from fighting those who will stand in the way of this goal.

 

Also Thedasa without veil is actually the natural state of the world, the way mother nature wanted it to be if you are in poetic mood. The current state of Thedas is "fake".

Is natural code for good here, because if so that's ridiculous.  Plenty of things are 100% natural and need to be eradicated with extreme prejudice.

[Heimdall]

How do you know? The Templar and Seeker character models wear helmets.

Yes they are. Sister is just a rank of the priestesses. Most of the priestesses we meet in the franchise are Sisters. Are you saying none of them were priestesses?

Even if they are, Xil is right that only human women may rise to the rank of Mother or higher. I think that's one of the things Leliana changes if she becomes divine.

[Lulupab]

the point being however, that they do exist

 

They are most likely not counted as Elves by their brethren, I mean look at Sera. She is not even a Templar and she gets that treatment already.

 

Elven Templars are as rare as humans who openly support the Dalish, which pretty much counter each other out as far as this discussion is concerned.

[The Elder King]

They are most likely not counted as Elves by their brethren, I mean look at Sera. She is not even a Templar and she gets that treatment already.

 

Elven Templars are as rare as humans who openly support the Dalish, which pretty much counter each other out as far as this discussion is concerned.

The point was mostly about the Chantry not treating elves as subhuman and making them free to join their ranks in different branches,

[Lulupab]

Is natural code for good here, because if so that's ridiculous.  Plenty of things are 100% natural and need to be eradicated with extreme prejudice.

 

Like? Remember it has to be natural state of the world. I think you are misinterpreting the word "natural".

[Xilizhra]

How do you know? The Templar and Seeker character models wear helmets.

Well, you can tell by body type.

 

 

Yes they are. Sister is just a rank of the priestesses. Most of the priestesses we meet in the franchise are Sisters. Are you saying none of them were priestesses? 

In fact, that is not the case. To quote the Chantry Hierarchy codex entry:

 

Beneath the grand cleric is the mother (or, in the Imperial Chantry, the father). If a mother is in charge of a particular chantry, "revered" is appended to her title. These are the priests responsible for administering to the spiritual well-being of their flock. A mother or revered mother is addressed as "Your Reverence."

 

Brothers and sisters form the rank and file of the Chantry and consist of three main groups: affirmed, initiates, and clerics. Affirmed are the lay-brethren of the Chantry, those regular folk who have turned to the Chantry for succor. Often they are people who have led a difficult or irreligious life and have chosen to go into seclusion, or even orphans and similar unfortunates who were raised into the Chantry life. The affirmed take care of the Chantry and are in turn afforded a life of quiet contemplation, no questions asked.

Only those folk who take vows become initiates. These are men and women in training, whether in academic knowledge or the martial skills of a warrior. All initiates receive an academic education, although only those who seek to become templars learn how to fight in addition.

Clerics are the true academics of the Chantry, those men and women who have dedicated themselves to the pursuit of knowledge. They are often found in Chantry archives, sages presiding over libraries of books and arcane knowledge. The most senior of these clerics, placed in charge of such archives, are given the title "elder," although such a rank is still beneath that of mother. All other brothers and sisters are addressed simply by noting their title before their name, such as "Brother Genitivi."

So, in short, only revered mothers (fathers can happen in Tevinter), grand clerics, and the Divine could be considered true priests. Brothers and sisters are sworn servants of the Chantry, but they're not permitted to conduct the rites or hold the rank that a priest would.

[Steelcan]

They are most likely not counted as Elves by their brethren, I mean look at Sera. She is not even a Templar and she gets that treatment already.

 

Elven Templars are as rare as humans who openly support the Dalish, which pretty much counter each other out as far as this discussion is concerned.

Well probably not by the Dalish, but they have such a skewed and narrow view on that I don't really care what they have to say on the matter.  To other CIty Elves, I see no reason why they'd be excluded.

 

The point remains however, elves can and are a part of the Chantry.

[Lulupab]

How do you know? The Templar and Seeker character models wear helmets. 

 

It would be VERY obvious from their body physique. None of the Templars in the game had an Elven physique.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

How do you know? The Templar and Seeker character models wear helmets.

Do you really think that the chantry would allow elves to be Templars??? Really?? They would never be one because they're afraid of the elves have the knowledge of combat to teach the elves how to fight, they don't want the elves to defend themselves. And Cassandra, Cullen, and Allistair never mentioned they're were elves in the Templar Order and the Seekers in the game.

[The Elder King]

You you really think that the chantry would allow elves to be Templars??? They would never be one because they're afraid of the elves have the knowledge of combat and fighting back against them. And Cassandra, Cullen, and Allistair never mentioned they're were elves in the Templar Order and the Seekers in the game.

The games aren't the only sources on the lore. The Chantry, regardless of how rare it is, allows elves to be templars.

[Steelcan]

Like? Remember it has to be natural state of the world. I think you are misinterpreting the word "natural".

Well if we are defining the word natural as: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind. (we shall substitute humankind with the appropriate species in Thedas) then the world without a Veil is natural.  This does not make it good.  Natural things include, malaria, dragons, demons and spirits, poisonous plants and animals.  Simply because something is "natural" it is not imbued with inherent benefit.

[Shechinah]

I know that part but if it wasn't for the animosity of humans enslaved them and the Dales all of this would've been avoided. And it's just that simple: Leave each other alone.

 

Except the elves isolating themselves completely from everybody else were a major factor in the fall of the Dales: a large reason for why the hostility happened was because the Dales choose not to become involved and provide aid when the Blight came upon Orlais and ravaged the land and it's people.   
 

[Lulupab]

Well probably not by the Dalish, but they have such a skewed and narrow view on that I don't really care what they have to say on the matter.  To other CIty Elves, I see no reason why they'd be excluded.

 

The point remains however, elves can and are a part of the Chantry.

 

They are an exception and very few to the point of being ignored. This is like the situation where a grand cleric makes a huge effort to recruit an elf or something like that. So given this saying Chantry takes in Elves is as valid is saying the Dalish take in humans. Because both of them are equally rare.

[Steelcan]

It would be VERY obvious from their body physique. None of the Templars in the game had an Elven physique.

a limitation of the game engine, unless we are going to claim that all the apostates in the hills of the Hinterlands were elves....

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The games aren't the only sources on the lore. The Chantry, regardless of how rare it is, allows elves to be templars.

If they are not in the game or mentioned in the game why should I believe it?

[veeia]

I'd guess that elves are allowed to be Templars in theory, but natural discrimination in the Templar order prohibits most elves from seeking that path.

[Steelcan]

They are an exception and very few to the point of being ignored. This is like the situation where a grand cleric makes a huge effort to recruit an elf or something like that. So given this saying Chantry takes in Elves is as valid is saying the Dalish take in humans. Because both of them are equally rare.

We don't have numbers on the elven templars, they are undoubtedly rarer, but I'm not willing to write them off so quickly without some sort of lore saying definitively.  They would certainly be higher in number than humans in Dalish clans however.