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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, you can tell by body type.

It would be VERY obvious from their body physique. None of the Templars in the game had an Elven physique.

As Steelcan mentioned, that is a game limitation. Unless you are suggesting all of the members are clones thus have the exact same dimensions.

 

In fact, that is not the case. To quote the Chantry Hierarchy codex entry:

 

So, in short, only revered mothers (fathers can happen in Tevinter), grand clerics, and the Divine could be considered true priests. Brothers and sisters are sworn servants of the Chantry, but they're not permitted to conduct the rites or hold the rank that a priest would.

Your Codex doesn't say only Mothers are priests, just that they are the priests responsible for certain activities.

 

You you really think that the chantry would allow elves to be Templars??? They would never be one because they're afraid of the elves have the knowledge of combat and fighting back against them. And Cassandra, Cullen, and Allistair never mentioned they're were elves in the Templar Order and the Seekers in the game.

Yes, I do. Because Bioware has had the lore state as such. I trust Bioware's word over yours since, you know, they made Dragon Age. 

[The Elder King]

If they are not in the game or mentioned in the game why should I believe it?

Because other lore sources, like the writers of Dragon Age games, said so.

[Xilizhra]

We don't have numbers on the elven templars, they are undoubtedly rarer, but I'm not willing to write them off so quickly without some sort of lore saying definitively.  They would certainly be higher in number than humans in Dalish clans however.

And you base that on what?

[Steelcan]

If they are not in the game or mentioned in the game why should I believe it?

I've never seen an Uzbek in real life, why should I believe they actually exist?

[Steelcan]

And you base that on what?

the fact that there are large numbers of Elven Andrastians, and that the idea of being "Dalish" is inherently wrapped up in race and culture, only half-elves at best would likely be allowed to stay permanently.

[Xilizhra]

Your Codex doesn't say only Mothers are priests, just that they are the priests responsible for certain activities. That's like saying in the Catholic Church only Bishops and higher are priests.

Not even remotely. Every chantry has a revered mother; they're not spread out nearly as far. What you're saying is tantamount to claiming that monks and nuns are priests, which they are decidedly not.

[Lulupab]

Well if we are defining the word natural as: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind. (we shall substitute humankind with the appropriate species in Thedas) then the world without a Veil is natural.  This does not make it good.  Natural things include, malaria, dragons, demons and spirits, poisonous plants and animals.  Simply because something is "natural" it is not imbued with inherent benefit.

 

Demons are not natural state of the world, nor are Dragons. They are not an state, they are creatures. Compare it to to clouds, the ocean, mountains etc... However it goes without saying they cause earthquakes, storms etc... Do you want destroy these?

 

Natural disasters are disasters, but they keep bigger disasters in bay. If frequent earthquakes don't happen a huge one will destroy the earth. Same goes with storms but it would be less extreme than earthquakes. 

 

Connection between worlds was natural state of the world.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Except the elves isolating themselves completely from everybody else were a major factor in the fall of the Dales: a large reason for why the hostility happened was because the Dales choose not to become involved and provide aid when the Blight came upon Orlais and ravaged the land and it's people.

I wouldn't help them either. Why should the elves care for the people who has no love for the elves? That's how I see it. What I would do is not start nothing and let them solve their own problems.

Modifié par N7Phantom, 07 juin 2016 - 12:20 .

[Xilizhra]

I've never seen an Uzbek in real life, why should I believe they actually exist?

Allow me to remedy that!

 

 

These are Uzbeks. Now, would you kindly show me an elf templar?

[Shechinah]

I know the facts are there and I did not even said that my words are facts they're just opinions.

 

You just said, in this very post, that the facts are there so are you claiming them to be facts or are you saying they are just your opinions?
 

[The Elder King]

I wouldn't help them either. Why should the elves are for the people who has no love for the elves? What I would do is not start nothing and let them solve their own problems.

Great thinking. Tell me how it works out in the case the Blight spreads in elven territories, or straight up starts there.

Sitting back when a Blight is going on near you is moronic. It was moronic when the Dales did, and it was moronic when Orlais and Tevinter did later on.

Note: A Blight isn't 'their own problems' referred to humans. It's everyone's problem.

[Lulupab]

a limitation of the game engine, unless we are going to claim that all the apostates in the hills of the Hinterlands were elves....

 

All the females you mean. Because there are male human apostates. I know the engine limitations but it was Bioware's decision to not show any elf Templars, only mention they exist and they are rare. The fact that they have not shown any none-human Templar is most likely intentional, to solidify the fact that they are rare.

[Steelcan]

Allow me to remedy that!

 

 

These are Uzbeks. Now, would you kindly show me an elf templar?

I've only seen them on the computer, how can I know that they are real until I see one for myself

[Lulupab]

Great thinking. Tell me how it works out in the case the Blight spreads in elven territories, or straight up starts there.

Sitting back when a Blight is going on near you is moronic. It was moronic when the Dales did, and it was moronic when Orlais and Tevinter did later on.

Note: A Blight isn't 'their own problems' referred to humans. It's everyone's problem.

 

No one said Dales ignoring the blight was a good thing. But Orlais was upset because it received no aid. Though years later it attacked countries that the blight weakened and killed more and conquered them. Oh the hypocrisy.

 

However Blight is a 100% human thing, I mean sure it threatens all of Thedas but if you read the chant it blames human greed and hubris, not even just the mages.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You just said, in this very post, that the facts are there so are you claiming them to be facts or are you saying they are just your opinions?

You twisting my words. (Why people always do that?) I said out of my feelings about the loreI never even said that my words claim to be true.

[Steelcan]

Demons are not natural state of the world, nor are Dragons. They are not an state, they are creatures. Compare it to to clouds, the ocean, mountains etc... However it goes without saying they cause earthquakes, storms etc... Do you want destroy these?

 

Natural disasters are disasters, but they keep bigger disasters in bay. If frequent earthquakes don't happen a huge one will destroy the earth. Same goes with storms but it would be less extreme than earthquakes. 

 

Connection between worlds was natural state of the world.

demons and dragons certainly existed before the creation of the Veil.  We can tell this through codex entries from the library in the fade and other parts of Trespasser.

 

As for the rest of this, "wut?"

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Great thinking. Tell me how it works out in the case the Blight spreads in elven territories, or straight up starts there.
Sitting back when a Blight is going on near you is moronic. It was moronic when the Dales did, and it was moronic when Orlais and Tevinter did later on.
Note: A Blight isn't 'their own problems' referred to humans. It's everyone's problem.

Of course I would fight against the Blight to save my people but I wouldn't come to the Orlesians aid. After all it was humans who started this mess anyways so screw them.

[Shechinah]

Depends. The Dales were already occupied when the dalish were 'formed', I believe. I think the elves had the possibility to leave the Dales/Orlais and become dalish. They just had to choose between remaining and becoming Andrastians or leave.

 

Hmm... I suppose it comes down to whether or not Orlais believed the remnants could pose enough of a threat to warrant worry. If they did, I doubt they'd let able-bodied or influential people leave to join and possibly reform a form of resistance.

 

I also doubt the prospect was inviting for the wounded and those with family too vulnerable to survive arderous journeys and the elements such as the elderly and the young. That and an countryside even after a war can be equally as dangerous as during a war in regards to somethings.  

[Steelcan]

Of course I would fight against the Blight to save my prople but I wouldn't come to their aid.

[veeia]

I'd argue that because we haven't seen an elven templar it means they are insignificant to the writers at this point. Whether its due to it being so exceptional that it rarely happens or it's just coincidental is irrelevant. 

 

I do think it's hard to believe that elves would regularly be given any position that commands as much authority as those offer and have it be accepted by the people. If elves had a way to directly raise their station like that, why wouldn't we hear more about it in the CE origin, for example?*

 

*unless we did and I've forgotten, lmao

[The Elder King]

No one said Dales ignoring the blight was a good thing. But Orlais was upset because it received no aid. Though years later it attacked countries that the blight weakened and killed more and conquered them. Oh the hypocrisy.

 

However Blight is a 100% human thing, I mean sure it threatens all of Thedas but if you read the chant it blames human greed and hubris, not even just the mages.

Phantom said he'd ignore it as well. 

Orlais being hypocrite on it doesn't make it better. I never said I was a fan of Orlais or that they didn't do terrible things themselves.

I meant it's not just a human problem because it threatens everyone. It's moronic to sit back and not stop the Blight, since it might go on and spread in other countries as well. 

[Lulupab]

demons and dragons certainly existed before the creation of the Veil.  We can tell this through codex entries from the library in the fade and other parts of Trespasser.

 

As for the rest of this, "wut?"

 

The veil upsets the balance of the world, not sure how you don't understand. Good thing you mentioned Trespasser because there is ZERO evidence of demons being a problem for Elves at the time. That was my point, the veil is not meant to be there. Actually its quite possible the veil significantly increased the "perversion" of spirits to demons. Again upsetting balance.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Just like to pipe in that Evangeline was originally meant to be an elf but was changed to human.

[Steelcan]

No one said Dales ignoring the blight was a good thing. But Orlais was upset because it received no aid. Though years later it attacked countries that the blight weakened and killed more and conquered them. Oh the hypocrisy.

 

However Blight is a 100% human thing, I mean sure it threatens all of Thedas but if you read the chant it blames human greed and hubris, not even just the mages.

It wasn't that they got no aid, its that the elven army sat there at watched Montsimmard get sacked, and the expansion you are talking about did happen years later, hundreds of years later and thus has no bearing on this topic.

 

The Blight may have been unleashed by humans, but it is in no way a "100% human thing" even the Qunari acknowledge that.

[The Elder King]

Of course I would fight against the Blight to save my people but I wouldn't come to the Orlesians aid. After all it was humans who started this mess anyways so screw them.

The problem is, if you don't stop it when it's on Orlesian territory and it spreads to yours, you're suffering more then in the second case. Lands are destroyed, and your people die. How is this smarter then aid other countries before the Blight ravage your own country?

Also, blaming all the humans for what the Imperium did is like blaming the elves for all the Evanuris did.