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[Shechinah]

If he really cared he could just leave them alone.

 

Ah, so you think he had a mistake in that he actually cared about the elves and trusted them as equals?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You present your opinions the same as when you try to present 'facts'.
 
My advice would be to add on a "in my opinion" or a "That's my opinion" at the end to differentiate.

Most of my posts are opinions

[The Elder King]

If he really cared he could just leave them alone.

You do know he wasn't the one involved in the Orlesian-Dales war, right? There's no source on Drakon doing nothing on the Dales other then sent Ameridas to keep the peace between the two countries.

[The Elder King]

I still wouldn't trust him.

Not trusting him is one thing, and I can understand that. It doesn't mean he did something to the elves.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Meanwhile the mods are sleeping.

[veeia]

Most of my posts are opinions

 

I'm ignoring whatever this argument is, lmao, but it's good advice. If you make it clear it's an opinion, people will want to understand why you think that, which opens up a dialogue. If you present things as fact and it seems contrary to what people think, they'll want to correct you, which makes it already more antagonistic.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You do know he wasn't the one involved in the Orlesian-Dales war, right? There's no source on Drakon doing nothing on the Dales other then sent Ameridas to keep the peace between the two countries.

Alright he tried but he should never interfered in the first place. That's not his business anyways so he should stay out of affairs that doesn't concern him.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I'm ignoring whatever this argument is, lmao, but it's good advice. If you make it clear it's an opinion, people will want to understand why you think that, which opens up a dialogue. If you present things as fact and it seems contrary to what people think, they'll want to correct you, which makes it already more antagonistic.

I did in this thread many times before and I thought they would get it by now, but it seems they didn't.

[Shechinah]

Most of my posts are opinions

 
Except for the first of the below posts which you claimed in the last post to know contained facts and opinions.
 

That's because if the trauma of what they've gone through through the years of slavery from the Imperium, so of course they would hold animosity towards them because of it. And the fact of the matter is is that humans who are constantly killing, raping, and dehumanize elves that fuels animosity towards humans even more it would become pointless to coexist with them. And what gives the Chantry the right to interfere with the war between the elves and Orlais anyways? They should've stepped up to have peace talks and set up a treaty to benefit both sides but they didn't. They want the elves to fight so they could have an excuse to treat them less than human beings that proves otherwise.

 

I know the facts are there and I did not even said that my words are facts they're just opinions.

 

See the confusion?

[Shechinah]

Meanwhile the mods are sleeping.

 

C'mon, you're not the slighest bit amused by this?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Except for the first of the below posts which you claimed in the last post to know contained facts.
 

 

 
See the confusion?

Just forget everything I said.

[Xilizhra]

It's not really about forgiveness though, it's about her rationale.

 

In TME, Briala realizes that Celene will never make the moves that would benefit Briala or her people because while she cares about Briala, she cares more about her own power and her empire and her support of the elves is weak at best because it's tethered to that. And Celene realizes that no matter how much Briala cares about her, she is going to prioritize elves to the point of taking away Celene's chance to win the war.

 

In WEWH, Briala and Celene's reonciliation is possible because you remind them of how they care for eachother. Caring about eachother was never the problem, it was that their goals were incompatible because both were willing to let the other take significant losses in order to ensure their victory. So allying makes sense, but reconciling romantically, at least in that context, doesn't quite work for me.

Keep in mind that Celene was trying to avoid civil war back then. That's no longer an issue as of DAI. If Celene's throne is secure, there are no further obstacles to her relationship with Briala, and they can actually start moving forward on the elf issue.

[Shechinah]

If he really cared he could just leave them alone.

 

So if the Blight came knocking on the Dales' door and he leaves them alone then that proves Drakon I really cared about the elves?
 

[Steelcan]

Alright he tried but he should never interfered in the first place. That's not his business anyways so he should stay out of affairs that doesn't concern him.

the affairs of his neighbors most certainly do concern him

[veeia]

I did in this thread many times before and I thought they would get it by now, but it seems they didn't.

 

You seem to have positions that are controversial here, which means for a productive dialogue you have to be even more open to other people's perspective in order to properly react to it and very clear when you share your own. Which can suck, trust me, I've been there on different issues, but it's how it goes. Anyway, do as you will, that's just my 2 cents!

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

So if the Blight came knocking on the Dales' door and he leaves them alone then that proves Drakon I really cared about the elves?

Of course he would "help" them but only to that extent of fighting the darkspawn. But that's my opinion

[veeia]

Keep in mind that Celene was trying to avoid civil war back then. That's no longer an issue as of DAI. If Celene's throne is secure, there are no further obstacles to her relationship with Briala, and they can actually start moving forward on the elf issue.

 

That's true. And it is filtered through the perspective of the Inquisitor, who isn't privy to the complexities of their relationship. Hrm. I guess really my main complaint is that as a reader of TME, it was poor closure on the relationship, but that doesn't mean it was a completely out of character situation.

[Shechinah]

Keep in mind that Celene was trying to avoid civil war back then. That's no longer an issue as of DAI. If Celene's throne is secure, there are no further obstacles to her relationship with Briala, and they can actually start moving forward on the elf issue.

 

I think the problem would still apply since I see it more as being about Briala worrying that Celene would being willing to throw anybody under the carriage if it served to let her keep her throne. It does not matter if they are highborn or lowborn, human or elf.

 

I'd still choose her because she seems more incliend towards diplomacy and more skilled in integrating changes into society to lasting effect than forcing them to temporary effect.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You seem to have positions that are controversial here, which means for a productive dialogue you have to be even more open to other people's perspective in order to properly react to it and very clear when you share your own. Which can suck, trust me, I've been there on different issues, but it's how it goes. Anyway, do as you will, that's just my 2 cents!

But it just seems to me that they want to change my mind and bashing me down by insults, simply because my opinions offends people and I stand up with my beliefs. I'm not a "think alike and go with everybody else" type.

[Steelcan]

But it just seems to me that they want to change my mind and bashing me down by insults, simply because my opinions offends people and I stand up with my beliefs. I'm not a "think alike and go with everybody else" type.

because your opinions are offensive, you don't win praise for standing by your beliefs when said beliefs include that certain races of people are racially inferior

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

because your opinions are offensive, you don't win praise for standing by your beliefs when said beliefs include that certain races of people are racially inferior

Coming from someone who puts " I kill _______ people" and "Elves should be killed and there would be no problem" Oh that's offensive right?

[Steelcan]

Coming from someone who puts " I kill _______ people" and "Elves should be killed and there would be no problem" Oh that's offensive right?

Anyone here can tell I'm not actually murdering anyone, and

 

A. elves are fictional

B. elves are fictional

and C. elves are fictional

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Anyone here can tell I'm not actually murdering anyone, and

A. elves are fictional
B. elves are fictional
and C. elves are fictional

I never said I think all _____ people should die and I never even said that I hate them either. I would be banned if I was stupid enough to post that but I didn't because I would give myself a bad name.

Modifié par N7Phantom, 07 juin 2016 - 02:02 .

[Steelcan]

I never said I think all _____ people should die neither and I never even saidthat I hate them. I would be banned if I was stupid enough to post that but I didn't.

and its clear that when I say it I'm being morbidly humorous, but when you talk about genetic predispositions to aggression, I don't think you are doing the same

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

and its clear that when I say it I'm being morbidly humorously, but when you talk about genetic predispositions to aggression, I don't think you are doing the same

Right!!