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[Gervaise]

Normally I try not to let what I know from novels or previous games influence my current character because most things they could not possibly know about.   However, with Masked Empire and DAI I decided to make an exception.    I role played that by the time of the ball my Lavellan would have done a bit of research of his own.   What happened in the Halamshiral rebellion had to be fairly common knowledge, the bit about burning the elves in their homes would be anyway and likely the reason why the rebelled in the first place.   

 

So he went in grinding his teeth that he was meant to be saving the life of this terrible Empress, not that he thought Gaspard any better.   He'd heard about how the Chevaliers train and the mockery of Shartan in the play.    Still saving Celene was apparently what he had to do to stop Corypheus.   Then out of the blue Leliana suggests there is an interesting alternative.   I couldn't quite believe it myself when I saw that was being offered as a option but Gaspard as Briala's puppet seemed to have such a lovely irony to it that I went with that one. 

 

It is a shame that by the end of Trespasser that little arrangement is likely doomed but I must say the main game epilogue when it said that the nobles didn't dare move against Briala out of respect for the Inquisition and fear of the elven Inquisitor probably gave me the most satisfaction in all the game.     The long term outcome is probably better for the elves if you reconcile Celene with Briala but that only makes it all the more annoying because of the prior knowledge from Masked Empire.

[Inkvisiittori]

It is a shame that by the end of Trespasser that little arrangement is likely doomed...

 

It does seem likely, but then again it gives me hope that Briala could become a companion character in the next game! Either she is exiled or had to escape before Gaspard's men came looking for her... 

[thesuperdarkone2]

It does seem likely, but then again it gives me hope that Briala could become a companion character in the next game! Either she is exiled or had to escape before Gaspard's men came looking for her...

Considering she can be dead in some ws, she isn't going to be a companion

[Inkvisiittori]

Considering she can be dead in some ws, she isn't going to be a companion

 

Ah, I forgot about that...

[raging_monkey]

Leliana

[Steelcan]

Leliana

which was a bad enough move on its own, I imagine there are a lot more world states where Briala met with a sharp drop and a sudden stop than ones where Leliana grew back a few missing organs.

[thesuperdarkone2]

which was a bad enough move on its own, I imagine there are a lot more world states where Briala met with a sharp drop and a sudden stop than ones where Leliana grew back a few missing organs.

Especially considering that Leliana is a lyrium ghost

[Steelcan]

Especially considering that Leliana is a lyrium ghost

like I said, bad enough move on its own.  I cannot shake the feeling they tacked that on at the very end of Trespasser just to come up with some sort of flimsy justification for her having seemingly survived death (especially since its permanence was so present in the theme of Inquisition)

[The Ascendant]

Why did Orlais invade Ferelden again? I've been rereading the Stolen Throne and it's never explicitly mentioned why they conquered the country. It's relatively poor in comparison to other nations, it is the birthplace of Andraste, but the Chantry is already established there and the two cultures differ too greatly for peaceful assimilation. So why did they want to conquer it again if the first time was more trouble than it was worth?

[Shechinah]

Why did Orlais invade Ferelden again? I've been rereading the Stolen Throne and it's never explicitly mentioned why they conquered the country. It's relatively poor in comparison to other nations, it is the birthplace of Andraste, but the Chantry is already established there and the two cultures differ too greatly for peaceful assimilation. So why did they want to conquer it again if the first time was more trouble than it was worth?

 

As far as I know, it was never said exactly why the invasion happened. Emperor Reville Valmont, also known as the Mad Emperor, ordered the second invasion of Ferelden which proved successful and the resulting occupation lasted fifty-eight years. While Orlais extorted harsh taxes from Ferelden to support the Orlesian empire, I'm not sure financial gain was the reason behind the conquest. It might have been a show of power, an expansion effort or, given the emperor's nickname, simply caused by a momentary fancy of the emperor.

[dragonflight288]

Why did Orlais invade Ferelden again? I've been rereading the Stolen Throne and it's never explicitly mentioned why they conquered the country. It's relatively poor in comparison to other nations, it is the birthplace of Andraste, but the Chantry is already established there and the two cultures differ too greatly for peaceful assimilation. So why did they want to conquer it again if the first time was more trouble than it was worth?

 

As far as I know, it was never said exactly why the invasion happened. Emperor Reville Valmont, also known as the Mad Emperor, ordered the second invasion of Ferelden which proved successful and the resulting occupation lasted fifty-eight years. While Orlais extorted harsh taxes from Ferelden to support the Orlesian empire, I'm not sure financial gain was the reason behind the conquest. It might have been a show of power, an expansion effort or, given the emperor's nickname, simply caused by a momentary fancy of the emperor.

 

Most likely because Orlais has always been an expansionist empire throughout its long history. Even after being driven out by Loghain and Maric many Orlesian Nobles want to reclaims "their lost province." 

 

Part of it may be because Reville was mad and it was a flight of fancy, but the Orlesian nobility most certainly did not object to increasing their holdings. 

[Gervaise]

I think the likely answer is "Because we can".   The Orlesians were always looking to expand and it wasn't the first time they had invaded Ferelden.   Drakon invaded while building up his empire and spreading his Chant before the 2nd Blight.    They invaded again in 4:80 and were repelled in 4:83.   Shortly after this they tried unsuccessful conquests of the Marcher States, before getting caught up in the last Exalted March again Tevinter.   Whilst they weren't directly involved in the 4th Blight (except a small token force) they still likely kept forces at home in case the darkspawn spread.  Then they had to deal with the rising power of Nevarra, followed by Qunari invasions across Thedas, so that likely kept them occupied from invading Ferelden during the next couple of centuries  Then only a short time after the signing of the Lomerryn Accord, enough to let their forces recover, they launched their attack on Ferelden.   So if they hadn't been otherwise engaged they would probably have tried invading much sooner.   Chevaliers are really pretty much redundant if they aren't involved in fighting someone.

 

However, there was a story doing the rounds in Ferelden that Reville, the Mad Emperor, was seeking Calenhad's legendry silver armour.   Considering he was meant to be paranoid about assassination and the armour was meant to make you invulnerable, that would fit with his character, although it may just be the Ferelden's capitalising on his reputation to weave a more interesting reason he might be interested in their country.   Allegedly every time a chevalier returned without the armour, they were killed on the spot, ultimately resulting in counterfeit sets being produced.   It would seem that Reville saw through this deception since more than one was produced.  No doubt he got the chevalier to don the armour, then stabbed him. An easy enough way to prove a forgery.

[Steelcan]

Without a more detailed picture of the events around the war its impossible to say.  Maybe Reville had a claim to Ferelden from some grandmother of the Theirin dynasty.

[Walter Black]

That TME was garbage and that DAI could be better?

 

You keep going on about this; not so much that the characters were unlikable, but that the storyline was badly written. How exactly?

 

You cannot claim that Celene was out of character because we've known ever since Return to Ostagar that she had no problem using sex as a tool of psycological and political manipulation. The devs stated numerous times how the Empress uses the Great Game to ruthlessly pit nobles against each other, sometimes for tactical gain or just for her own amusement. This was all established before any hint of her orientation, one way or the other.

 

You cannot claim Briala was out of character since The Masked Empire was her debut, and thus we had no basis for comparison. In regards to representation, Briala could just as easily been male and it would have been the same story.

 

You cannot claim that it dind't fit the tone, as Dragon Age being a franchise of Dark Fantasy with Black and Grey Morality is well fonded. There are NO leaders in Thedas without blood on their hands, be it mighty empires or revolutionary cells. The writers create complex characters with deep flaws, and we all knew that going in.

[vicvast]

The problem i am having is missing items to complete the quest like it says. In wicked hearts there is no ring, no keys, and no statue. In the Vinicus mission where u have to find 3 crystals there are none and it won't let you out any of the doors.

[Sarah1281]

 The long term outcome is probably better for the elves if you reconcile Celene with Briala but that only makes it all the more annoying because of the prior knowledge from Masked Empire.

It's not great, of course, but I'm okay with it because Briala knows all about it and still makes the choice to not just ally with her but to hook back up with her. It's not the choice I'd make after finding out my ex had my parents killed and my people butchered but I guess distance and proof that Celene cared enough to keep a trinket that could cost her her throne was enough for her to give her a second chance and they somehow worked through their problems. Orlesians, man. 

[IHaveReturned1999]

I think the whole reuniting them is sick, but the writers made it to look like it was normal for someone who killed your parents and your people without conscious. Celine is just as racist as Gaspard except she's more sneaky and conniving with her nature.