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Why did Legion have to commit suicide? Isn't what he was giving the Geth basically software?

so why didn't he just copy/paste the software and upload that to the Geth instead of dying?

 

I mean it's freaking software / files, files can be copied? Programs can be copied.... So why not?

 

Or did Legion forget how to bypass his own DRM? :D



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Legion had become what he was by packing several times as many Geth into his platform as normal PLUS adding the Reaper code on top of that.  I'd hazard a guess that there was either not enough time to do a full copy of every bit of his software, or more likely: there wasn't sufficient memory to contain said copy available to him in the allotted time.

 

There is also this.  What Legion was doing was essentially what happens to Shepard in the Synthesis ending: breaking himself up and distributing part of that to EVERY Geth.  How's that for foreshadowing the BioWare "preferred" ending?


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Legion had become what he was by packing several times as many Geth into his platform as normal PLUS adding the Reaper code on top of that.  I'd hazard a guess that there was either not enough time to do a full copy of every bit of his software, or more likely: there wasn't sufficient memory to contain said copy available to him in the allotted time.

 

There is also this.  What Legion was doing was essentially what happens to Shepard in the Synthesis ending: breaking himself up and distributing part of that to EVERY Geth.  How's that for foreshadowing the BioWare "preferred" ending?

 

It was neat how that ties into the "ideal ending."

 

I guess there might not have been enough memory to do a copy/paste and distribute it that way but the whole dying thing seemed a tiny bit iffy to me...

 



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Legion had become what he was by packing several times as many Geth into his platform as normal PLUS adding the Reaper code on top of that.  I'd hazard a guess that there was either not enough time to do a full copy of every bit of his software, or more likely: there wasn't sufficient memory to contain said copy available to him in the allotted time.

 

There is also this.  What Legion was doing was essentially what happens to Shepard in the Synthesis ending: breaking himself up and distributing part of that to EVERY Geth.  How's that for foreshadowing the BioWare "preferred" ending?

 

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Why did Legion have to commit suicide? Isn't what he was giving the Geth basically software?

so why didn't he just copy/paste the software and upload that to the Geth instead of dying?

 

I mean it's freaking software / files, files can be copied? Programs can be copied.... So why not?

 

Or did Legion forget how to bypass his own DRM? :D

Because bittersweet :lol:


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Because that's how the space magic works.
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So if my FemShep chooses Synthesis, will I finally get Female biotic geths?


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Long story short?


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So if my FemShep chooses Synthesis, will I finally get Female biotic geths?

 

 

I'd say yes...........

 

hmmm Geth with boobs :P



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Geth with boobs are basically female Quarians and we've already been down that road commander, no more.


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I'd say yes...........

 

hmmm Geth with boobs :P

That would give them low-volume hydraulics, and make them top-heavy  :D


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Computer technology in the MEU is literally filled with puppies and magic. Maker knows what goes on inside of them.



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Legion was like the communion loaf at Sunday service to be broken up into little tiny bits and distributed to all Geth with added wine (Reaper Code) washing away all Geth sins and making them true AI. Thus Legion was Geth Jesus.

 

Just like Shepard's essence with little circuit boards gets sent out all over the galaxy changing everything in the Synthesis ending so that every living and formerly synthetic creature will now know that Shepard once thought Asari needed other species to reproduce.


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Legion was like the communion loaf at Sunday service to be broken up into little tiny bits and distributed to all Geth with added wine (Reaper Code) washing away all Geth sins and making them true AI. Thus Legion was Geth Jesus.

 

Just like Shepard's essence with little circuit boards gets sent out all over the galaxy changing everything in the Synthesis ending so that every living and formerly synthetic creature will now know that Shepard once thought Asari needed other species to reproduce.

 

That makes Shepard human Jesus 2.0 ......... O.o



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Legion was like the communion loaf at Sunday service to be broken up into little tiny bits and distributed to all Geth with added wine (Reaper Code) washing away all Geth sins and making them true AI. Thus Legion was Geth Jesus.

 

Just like Shepard's essence with little circuit boards gets sent out all over the galaxy changing everything in the Synthesis ending so that every living and formerly synthetic creature will now know that Shepard once thought Asari needed other species to reproduce.

 

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Um, excuse me. Yeah why don't you just copy the files? I mean, I can email torrented Hanson songs to my grandma. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

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Errors within our wireless network require direct transfer. As the reaper upgrades have caused programs within this platform to coalesce into a singular consciousness, direct transfer will dismantle the personality that manifests as a result.

 

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Yeah I don't think that makes sense. Why does the direct transfer work, but the first wireless transfer doesn't? What's the difference? is the first one indirect? I think this is just a big load of hooey.

 

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Legion died because he lost all of his previous principles.. he used to think that the Geth had to build their own future. Once he was given Reaper code, he was brainwashed into thinking only the Reapers could give them a future. 

 

As far as I'm concerned, he never gives the Reaper code to other Geth. I just shoot him myself.


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Um, excuse me. Yeah why don't you just copy the files? I mean, I can email torrented Hanson songs to my grandma. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

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Errors within our wireless network require direct transfer. As the reaper upgrades have caused programs within this platform to coalesce into a singular consciousness, direct transfer will dismantle the personality that manifests as a result.

 

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Yeah I don't think that makes sense. Why does the direct transfer work, but the first wireless transfer doesn't? What's the difference? is the first one indirect? I think this is just a big load of hooey.

 

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Um, excuse me. Yeah why don't you just copy the files? I mean, I can email torrented Hanson songs to my grandma. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

P8jICuC.jpg

Errors within our wireless network require direct transfer. As the reaper upgrades have caused programs within this platform to coalesce into a singular consciousness, direct transfer will dismantle the personality that manifests as a result.

 

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Yeah I don't think that makes sense. Why does the direct transfer work, but the first wireless transfer doesn't? What's the difference? is the first one indirect? I think this is just a big load of hooey.

 

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Acknowledged.

 

 

 

 

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It IS iffy. There is no reason that the individual subprograms that made up Legion *cannot* return to the Legion platform.

 

"direct personality dissemination" means "I have to do a direct code patch" not "I must merge with all other programs." Because if that were true, there would only be 1183 fully AI geth programs.

 

This is the kind of fuzzy thinking that happens when the only science minded writer quits the team before development really gets going, and the man who drove him away with a hostile work environment is doing all the Star Trek tropes around androids. There was NO reason that the Geth should have had a Pinnochio complex. (Legion *specifically* rejects individuality in ME 2 on his loyalty mission).

 

And it betrays a deep lack of caring about the universe's established lore. No surprise there, with Mac Walters.


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It would've been nice if the reaper upgrades were presented as a tactical decision rather than something that seemed to appeal more emotionally. Like, "Creator attempts to regain control over our platforms will no longer be possible". I generally assume that this is the case anyway, but it would've been nice to have Legion say something to that effect itself.



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It IS iffy. There is no reason that the individual subprograms that made up Legion *cannot* return to the Legion platform.

 

"direct personality dissemination" means "I have to do a direct code patch" not "I must merge with all other programs." Because if that were true, there would only be 1138 fully AI geth programs.

 

This is the kind of fuzzy thinking that happens when the only science minded writer quits the team before development really gets going, and the man who drove him away with a hostile work environment is doing all the Star Trek tropes around androids. There was NO reason that the Geth should have had a Pinnochio complex. (Legion *specifically* rejects individuality in ME 2 on his loyalty mission).

 

And it betrays a deep lack of caring about the universe's established lore. No surprise there, with Mac Walters.

 

From what I can tell, Legion's original writer (Chris L'etoile) was the de facto science geek. He was also responsible for a lot of the codex and technobabble elsewhere. Also EDI's original writer.

 

edit: Oh wait, seems like you already knew that. :)

 

In that light though, I don't feel too bad about gunning down Legion. He isn't the Legion I know anyways.



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Legion died because he lost all of his previous principles.. he used to think that the Geth had to build their own future. Once he was given Reaper code, he was brainwashed into thinking only the Reapers could give them a future. 

 

As far as I'm concerned, he never gives the Reaper code to other Geth. I just shoot him myself.

 

Eh, he's just our (Gospel of, the gnostic version) Judas.

 

I do agree with this now being the same Legion. But really, as far as synthetic minds go, he only just 'changed his mind', after coming into contact with more information.

 

The earlier example is Mordin choosing to outright cure the genophage instead of doing a controlled modification of it again.

 

"I made a mistake!" (Mordin finally moving away from justifying the Genophage, and justifying only fixing it to an extent)

 

In both cases, you're encouraged to allow something huge to happen that will fix so many problems.

 

But at least in Cure/Upload, unlike Synthesis, we can see some negative or at least lacking outcomes from not doing everything 'correctly'. I'm not sure there's much that seems lacking from any version of Synthesis. Eh I guess the Krogan/Quarian/Geth stuff counts.

 

This is all part of the 'green' layer of the story though, imo. Most versions of Genophage outcome provide the at least minimal foundations for picking Synthesis, but then also the Upload/Cure, Thane and maybe his romance, and some other stuff.

 

Of course, all of this stuff is the most highly faith based. Faith that the cure won't doom the galaxy to the Krogan again. Faith that the Geth won't go wrong after being upgraded/being integrated in Quarian suits. Faith that you'll meet Thane across the sea. Faith that synthesis is possible, and we can all live in peace.

 

I think its just a dream. But a nice one, mostly. In ways, better than the RenegadeStuff+RuinedDestroy nightmare ;)

 

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Legion 'died' because he had to quickly (a lot of this stuff is time-constrained in the plot, like Mordin needing to go up that elevator NOW, for example) send literally himself to everyone.

 

If he sent a copy of himself, it may have gone wrong. Or rather, creating a copy of the now gestalt-code-entity he was in ME3, resulted in an error. So he had to do a full broadcast - a dissemination.

 

What Reaper code does to a geth platform is unify all of the programs into a single larger program that can more easily be determined (by some organics at least, and maybe some synthetics) as 'life', or at least a new form of it.

 

So what Legion is in ME3, isn't something that can be copied easily. It is life itself.

 

It would be as if everything of Shepard had to be copied, without the body/brain/etc involved. It would be impossible to have it fully transfer over. Hardward and software. This is why Control has ReaperShep as so different - it is same software but different hardware.

 

So direct personality dissemination is not suicide. Not in the transcendent sense at least. In that sense, it is actually eternal life, living on in another form in every geth platform/hub. A shared consciousness (or even sub-consciousness) that unifies the geth, and has them carry the (not just 'software', but 'hardware') memories of GethVI/Legion.

 

In the more objective sense, it is suicide, and one that Shepard may not approve of or allow at all.

 

In the more subjective sense, it is only kinda sorta suicide. It is understandable what he's doing, but not necessarily something to approve.

 

But in the transcendent sense, a Legion during Peace scenario doing this is not suicide. It really is like taking pieces of himself and putting a bit of it in every 'geth's' (each collection of programs now a 'person') mind. And it'll be what allows the geth to communicate much more easily and openly with Quarians and other organics, without always being on bad social footing. The Consensus system (and pursual of Dyson Sphere) was great in getting the geth to a certain point in intelligence, but eventually proved to be obsolete, and we had to choose whether to embrace the change, or to let the Quarians put the Geth down.

 

 

It is space magicky. Even the Genophage cure is somewhat more space magicky than normal (before ME3). That's just how this story path rolls I guess.


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Legion 'died' because he had to quickly (a lot of this stuff is time-constrained in the plot, like Mordin needing to go up that elevator NOW, for example) send literally himself to everyone.

 

If he sent a copy of himself, it may have gone wrong. Or rather, creating a copy of the now gestalt-code-entity he was in ME3, resulted in an error. So he had to do a full broadcast - a dissemination.

.....Ow that hurt my brain. When you broadcast data, that doesn't delete the data at the source. You send a copy of the data to everything that can catch the data and then they make a local copy of the data. If you move files from one computer to another, you are making a copy of the files onto the second computer and then deleting the files from the first. So when he "disseminates" himself, he is sending a copy and then deleting himself from his platform.

 

There is no reason why the copy made when he deletes himself should work any differently than the one when he doesn't delete himself. Well unless he is deleting himself as he sends the data....in which case there exists the possibility that some of the data being deleted could change his personality (oops there went the bit of code giving him the bravery to face death, he's shutting the whole thing down now) or just the basic functionality of the platform (whoops there went the interface for transmitting data) thereby messing up the transfer.

 

The fact that it is mystical reaper code, does not change the fact that it is just data and therefore should behave like data.


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And it betrays a deep lack of caring about the universe's established lore. No surprise there, with Mac Walters.

 

Weekes is responsible for writing Rannoch, not Walters. Not that I think what L'Etoille wrote was any better, to me it's the same Pinocchio crap, just different style. (I'd be glad if both of them wouldn't write for ME anymore, don't care for Walters)

 

And Legion "died" for the same reason Mordin died on Tuchanka or Thane died protecting the Salarian counselor or Shepard died at the end. To become the great symbol of sacrifice (almost as overused as the daddy issues). They needed this to happen, so they came up with some explanation whether it makes sence or not.