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The universe is huge. It's amazingly gigantic and huge..

 

There are many thousands of galaxies in the universe...

 

So do we know about life in other galaxies, and could that life be more advanced then even the Reapers?

 

And what happens if beings in other galaxies found the Reapers having their slumber party in dark space?

 

Why did they even have to bother doing that why leave the galaxy to have a slumber?

 

Would 2014 Earth be a viable harvest for the Reapers or would they pass us by?



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There are huge numbers of galaxies so the odds are always that there will be something more advanced somewhere. Sitting in intergalactic space though is probably the hardest place there is to be stumbled across, although a random bit of interstellar space in this galaxy would do nearly as well - the distances are so vast the odds of being randomly found are incredibly small.

Whether or not Earth as it is now would be attacked seems to be a matter of opinion. IMO it would be, if you follow Mass Effect technological development so we're really very close to interstellar travel (in reality we're not but then in reality there's no such things as Mass Relays and eezo - if they both existed we would be able to use them before all that much longer). My view is that leaving a race that close would be dangerous in the extreme, come the next cycle they'd stand a good chance of posing a big threat to the Reapers, with that much development time. Logically the same could be said for any species that's got as far as developing technology like writing or wheels.
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There are huge numbers of galaxies so the odds are always that there will be something more advanced somewhere. Sitting in intergalactic space though is probably the hardest place there is to be stumbled across, although a random bit of interstellar space in this galaxy would do nearly as well - the distances are so vast the odds of being randomly found are incredibly small.

Whether or not Earth as it is now would be attacked seems to be a matter of opinion. IMO it would be, if you follow Mass Effect technological development so we're really very close to interstellar travel (in reality we're not but then in reality there's no such things as Mass Relays and eezo - if they both existed we would be able to use them before all that much longer). My view is that leaving a race that close would be dangerous in the extreme, come the next cycle they'd stand a good chance of posing a big threat to the Reapers, with that much development time. Logically the same could be said for any species that's got as far as developing technology like writing or wheels.

 

 

Yeah but it always makes me think. 

 

What if Earth was in the 1960s when the Reapers pass by our solar system...... Do they stop have a look around and think "yeah toast" or do they fly by onto their next target....... The Star Brat did say to Shepard that the last time they were in the system they left us alone so I wonder.....



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That was never explained and I'm sure extragalactic life will somehow be involved in ME4.

 

Shameless plug. In my Mass Effect story the Reapers actually control all of the Virgo Supercluster.

 

The picture at the bottom of the link also gives a feeling about how big the universe is.



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Yeah but it always makes me think. 

 

What if Earth was in the 1960s when the Reapers pass by our solar system...... Do they stop have a look around and think "yeah toast" or do they fly by onto their next target....... The Star Brat did say to Shepard that the last time they were in the system they left us alone so I wonder.....

 

I would tend to think yes. Given how technologically advanced (not advanced) the Reapers are in ME3, giving humanity a 50,000 year window to build up from today, relatively, would mean by the next time they visit the galaxy we would probably be much more advanced than them.



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If we take the Catalyst's basic analysis as an inevitable truth, deducted and confirmed over billions of years of data analysis - we can infer that synthetic life will be created by organic life wherever advanced organic life exists. This will result in conflict, and due to the innate superiority of synthetic life in terms of the rate of outpacing organic life technologically, it is reasonable to conclude that in most instances, synthetic life will emerge from the conflict victorious.

Thus, in the vastness of the universe, there would be a high probability that extremely advanced synthetic life forms exist - indeed, even more advanced than the Reapers. However, with beings that advanced, there is the possibility that they would have zero interest whatsoever in the Reapers or their actions.

This is also mirrored by reality - many people (like Hawking), suspect that if we do encounter alien life directly, it will likely be synthetic. This makes a large amount of sense, if you think about it. Intelligent civilizations advance via the creation of technology. Computer technology is perhaps the most versatile, useful, and powerful of all. Augmentation via cybernetics, and eventual replacement of the organic mind altogether may very well be a natural outcome of intelligent civilizations. Transhumanism may seem drastic, but when it happens slowly, it wouldn't seem that way at all. There is a certain practicality of this too - for if effective FTL travel truly is impossible to achieve via the laws of physics, the ONLY way that we will be able to explore the stars (assuming relativistic travel is unfeasible) is by abandoning our organic nature.

Despite that, Synthesis is still a horrible ending :P. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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I would tend to think yes. Given how technologically advanced (not advanced) the Reapers are in ME3, giving humanity a 50,000 year window to build up from today, relatively, would mean by the next time they visit the galaxy we would probably be much more advanced than them.

Isn't that why Sovereign was around?  To keep an eye on things?


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Isn't that why Sovereign was around?  To keep an eye on things?

 

 

I actually thought he was too lazy to join the others....... :D


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Isn't that why Sovereign was around? To keep an eye on things?


He would only periodically wake up from hibernation, though. It'd be taking a pretty big risk to leave a species that could significantly advance during his nap. As it is, they let them advance to a certain point before restarting the cycle. In our cycle, it was supposed to begin 2,000 years ago. That's 2,000 years of tech development.

Somehow, the Protheans advanced even more than that. Ignoring the possibility that Sovereign really dropped the ball on that, it makes little sense without rationalizing that they must have rapidly (and unpredictably) advanced during an interval while Sovereign was in hibernation.
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Better 2000 years than 50k though :D

 

At any rate, things seem to plateau once the relay network is discovered.  There's little reason to advance because, well, all these artifacts are lying around?  Why invent when you can reverse-engineer?



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Other galaxies don't have space slingshots so they suck. 



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The space between galaxies is really, really, really huge, and the species in the Milky Way barely know how the mass relays work, much less how to actually build some of them. And much, much less how to figure it out how to travel between galaxies.

 

Intergalactic travel may be possible for ME's universe scenario, but it's still something that only future generations would see (and still maybe). It's kinda the same way about real life universe, and starting mining operations on Titan.



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He would only periodically wake up from hibernation, though. It'd be taking a pretty big risk to leave a species that could significantly advance during his nap. As it is, they let them advance to a certain point before restarting the cycle. In our cycle, it was supposed to begin 2,000 years ago. That's 2,000 years of tech development.

Somehow, the Protheans advanced even more than that. Ignoring the possibility that Sovereign really dropped the ball on that, it makes little sense without rationalizing that they must have rapidly (and unpredictably) advanced during an interval while Sovereign was in hibernation.

 

IIRC wasn't harvest time supposed to be when the Geth were created? Sovereign wasn't delayed by 2000 years, more like 300. I thought the line civilisations had to cross to wake the Reapers up was creating AI since that's the Catalyst's whole thing.

 

When it comes to tech development I don't think the Reapers care. They're supposed to be millions of years ahead, if we assume the cycles are every 50,000 years on the dot (which never really made sense), the Reapers should be well practised in snuffing out civilisations 50,000 years old. As Sovereign said, the Citadel and Relays ensure that civilisations develop in a way that suits the Reapers as well. Besides, the Protheans were more advanced than this cycle and the Reapers rolled all over them. This cycle only had the advantage it did because the Citadel Relay was unused and certain technologies were taken from Sovereign.



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The whole idea of "inevitability" makes me want to blow my brains out. Everything is pointless in this case. The whole struggle to survive a worthless endeavor.

 

Well, almost want to blow my brains out. Only if I took it seriously. I'll embrace randomness, chance, and possibility instead. A big hearty "f*ck you" to anyone determined to drag life down a straight line. 

 

And I'm hoping someone has done that in other galaxies as well. That's all I can say to the OP.

 

On a sidenote, you never see this kind of thing in Japanese sci-fi. They put a high value on willpower and fighting spirit (yamato damashii). It's in their education, their workplaces, even in all the anime. It's all about fighting through limitations and uprooting what might be the current world order. Mass Effect could have used a dose of this. The underlying message of failure is depressing.


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I wonder too if the Protheans were on Mars 50,000 years ago who was on Earth?

 

Was there a previous human civilzation that got snuffed out?



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I wonder too if the Protheans were on Mars 50,000 years ago who was on Earth?

Was there a previous human civilzation that got snuffed out?

The human species (****** sapiens) has been on earth for 200,000 years, man. The Protheans were just studying primitive humans.

Edit: Lol! Bioware forums auto blocks our genus name. Hilarious!
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The human species (****** sapiens) has been on earth for 200,000 years, man. The Protheans were just studying primitive humans.

Edit: Lol! Bioware forums auto blocks our genus name. Hilarious!

 

I do have to LOL at that. it's a scientific word yet it gets censored



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I do have to LOL at that. it's a scientific word yet it gets censored


We like to toot our own horn, but I routinely think that it doesn't say much about the intellect of our species that we have been biologically modern for 200,000 years and yet only began advancing within the few millennia following the advent of agriculture (it took quite a long time for us to apparently figure out that relatively basic concept). Often confounding factors, such as unfavorable climate, are blamed for this - but I suspect it is honestly because we really arent all that smart when you get right down to it. All of our advancement and knowledge is due solely to the passing down and accumulation of cultural knowledge. And prior to sapiens emerging - erectus, habilis, etc only managed to construct primitive hand axes for two million years. We know of at least ten species from diverse branches of the tree of life that dramatically overlap us in intellect, and an untold number more that share cognitive traits that were previously (because of anthropocentric dicks) presumed to be exclusively human. We aren't as special as we always thought we were.

Many people are frightened by that concept and rail against it. I find it comforting, personally.
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But.... but we were special. We were the chosen. The reapers said so. We were chosen to save the galaxy from certain death by vacuuming up dark energy smog in our tiny little reaper.



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I'm particularly glad that they abandoned that plot, because a central theme of Mass Effect is the rejection of anthropocentrism. Even Cerberus aren't true anthropocentrists - they realize that the universe doesn't revolve around humanity, that we aren't the pinnacle of evolution or particularly special, and that we are simply one other species on the galactic scene. What they want instead is human dominance. There's a difference.

So the dark energy plot was contrary to multiple themes within the trilogy story arc. The synthetic-organic conflict fits better, but the ending should have been orchestrated better for sure.

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We like to toot our own horn, but I routinely think that it doesn't say much about the intellect of our species that we have been biologically modern for 200,000 years and yet only began advancing within the few millennia following the advent of agriculture (it took quite a long time for us to apparently figure out that relatively basic concept). Often confounding factors, such as unfavorable climate, are blamed for this - but I suspect it is honestly because we really arent all that smart when you get right down to it. All of our advancement and knowledge is due solely to the passing down and accumulation of cultural knowledge. And prior to sapiens emerging - erectus, habilis, etc only managed to construct primitive hand axes for two million years. We know of at least ten species from diverse branches of the tree of life that dramatically overlap us in intellect, and an untold number more that share cognitive traits that were previously (because of anthropocentric dicks) presumed to be exclusively human. We aren't as special as we always thought we were.

Many people are frightened by that concept and rail against it. I find it comforting, personally.

 

Human intelligence isn't that great, true. It's our extelligence that only recently developed - that ability to reliably share ideas. The shared knowledge of the human race. That's what started with agriculture, and it's only grown since. No other known species has developed libraries, or the Scientific Method, or the internet. For all that we fight, we wage war, we kill each other... It's the fact that we talk too each other so much that makes us special.

 

I find that comforting.



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If I remember correctly, the Prothean's did something to the Keepers that gave us a little extra time on the clock. I know I heard that somewhere in Mass Effect. Anyway, maybe the Reapers are bias against other galaxies.

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I just don't understand how they would transport all that material to make mass relays to get them between galaxies. I suppose it would keep them busy for a billion years or so. And imagine Starbrat's twin brother fighting over the reapers with him. No. It doesn't make any sense. The whole idea of the reapers doesn't make any sense.



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If I remember correctly, the Prothean's did something to the Keepers that gave us a little extra time on the clock. I know I heard that somewhere in Mass Effect. Anyway, maybe the Reapers are bias against other galaxies.

Clearly their "solution" is only needed in this galaxy.



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Other galaxies are a waste of time when the Milky Way remains mostly unexplored.


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