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[Display Name Owner]

Oh I know it's at the end of every movie.. it just gets a little bit more than silly when there's walking, talking trees and racoons and green chicks 

I dunno, did you ever notice how the green lady looks like Zoe Saldana? Coincidence? I think not!

[Iakus]

Yeah, galaxies are millions of light years apart. 

 

Going by the reasoning of Mass Effect and Star Child though, AI will always rise and destroy their creators. So if someone in a distant galaxy doesn't create Reapers (like Levitathan did), then average AI like Geth will kill things off anyways.

 

Either way, everyone is screwed. No matter what galaxy it is. 

 

Best thing to do is live in a shack, take your kids out of school, and live in fear and rampant idiocy. And kill anyone who tries to improve life. This way the robots will never come get you.

Funny thing is a coupe of hours before the end I managed to make peace with the robots.

 

But I guess that outcome wasn't artistic enough.

[Farangbaa]

I dunno, did you ever notice how the green lady looks like Zoe Saldana? Coincidence? I think not!

 

For some unexplainable reason, Zoe Saldana looks like one of my girlfriend's friends. 

 

Zoë Saldana --> Dominican Republic/Puerto Rican mix

My girlfriend's friend --> Thai.

 

I know the Native Americans are Asians + 15000 years of evolution, but the resemblence is uncanny

[KrrKs]

Best thing to do is live in a shack, take your kids out of school, and live in fear and rampant idiocy. And kill anyone who tries to improve life. This way the robots will never come get you.

Lies!

The end is nigh! It is inevitable!

Loong after we all died, the robots will come to the conclusion that it would be fun to send exterminator units back in time!

(Or was that another franchise )

[The Devlish Redhead]

Lies!

The end is nigh! It is inevitable!

Loong after we all died, the robots will come to the conclusion that it would be fun to send exterminator units back in time!

(Or was that another franchise )

 

 

Haha quite possibly...

 

But hey a battle with the Daleks and Reapers could be fun.... Throw in the Cybermen for comedy and get the pop corn..

 

Oh you meant that other franchise........ Hmmm even that could be fun

[ForgottenWarrior]

Other galaxies are a waste of time when the Milky Way remains mostly unexplored.

Yep, 100% agree.

Also, i can't remember any good Sci-Fi setting that was set in a multiple galaxys. That's just an unnecessary gigantism. You know, Destiny that is being set in a Solar System feel as big as ME universe, which is a good argument as well.

[Iakus]

Yep, 100% agree.

Also, i can't remember any good Sci-Fi setting that was set in a multiple galaxys. That's just an unnecessary gigantism. You know, Destiny that is being set in a Solar System feel as big as ME universe, which is a good argument as well.

 

Sci-fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale

[Danimals847]

I would like to go back to the discussion of the underlying themes. I do not agree with the anti-technology message that some people received. Element zero-based mass effect technology developed by the reapers is the basis for the mass relays, the Citadel and literally almost every single piece of technology in the hands of organics. As several people have pointed out, humans in ME fell right in to the reapers' trap. It wasn't our ingenuity, passion or fight that led us beyond the stars; we stepped on the keys that the protheans left on the closest planet to us. Maybe with another few millennia we could have discovered FTL travel without using element zero. Maybe we would have discovered eezo, but use it in a way different enough from the reapers that we could either easily identify their trap or find novel enough uses of technology that we could overpower them.

 

Maybe MENext will take place chronologically later, and we will find ourselves facing a spacefaring species that is not bound by the reapers' mass effect technology or their mass relay network. That spacefaring species could be revealed to have developed in a star system not connected by the relays, or maybe they found evidence of the reapers and were smart enough to stay under the radar until they had developed sufficiently to counter the threat.

[FlyingSquirrel]

I understand that.. 

 

It's just that it goes beyond cautionary in Mass Effect. It's nihilistic. The ultimate message is that progress is dangerous.. that we should just live in ignorance and primitiveness. Else you'll gain the notice of devils and monsters. It's not a message of "caution", but outright avoidance. Else you're doomed.

 

That's why I think it's ultimately a story suitable for fundamentalists and rednecks. They're the people who dislike education, embrace superstition and traditionalism, fear the unknown, attack any foreign culture, and if they have their way, would sink us further into the worst kind of medieval mindset (look at ISIS).

 

It isn't the intent of the writers, of course, but I'm just drawing it to it's natural conclusion.

 

I don't really agree with this. I think you can just as easily draw a conclusion that the lesson to be learned is about the arrogance and selfishness of people in positions of power. Ultimately, the cause of the Reaper cycles and the threat to humanity and other species is not that they chose to explore space, but that one species, the Leviathans, decided that they were entitled to treat other living beings as tools for their own purposes, and it blew up in their faces. They created the Catalyst thinking that it would solve a problem for them, only to find that it was actually more powerful than they were and that it had a different understanding of what the problem actually was. While it's somewhat compromised by the limited and out-of-left-field nature of the ending choices, ultimately what we see is that the present-day species needed to achieve a new level of cooperation to have a chance of ending the cycles.

 

This is something I've been thinking about quite a bit recently, which is that - especially when it comes to issues like climate change, war, and poverty - the skills we initially needed to survive and become the most advanced species on the planet may not be the same skills we need to live sustainably in a modern technological civilization. We didn't need to act with the big-picture foresight that we need now, because even the leaders and innovators within smaller and more agrarian communities probably couldn't see the big picture or, if they could, lacked the ability to influence it. People in one part of the world couldn't cause an environmental catastrophe for people in another part of the world, and when conflicts did turn violent, they would still be settled through local battles without causing massive collateral damage or drawing in others by the thousands and millions.

 

The spacefaring species in Mass Effect are facing a similar situation. They've expanded into space and made some efforts at building a stable, multispecies society, but in a somewhat ad hoc manner with a lot of competition, jockeying for position, and bad decisions that come back to haunt everyone later. What we discover is that the established ways of thinking about these things are untenable in the face of a true galaxy-wide threat. The batarians, whose leaders decided to go rogue in response to human expansion and lack of support from the Council, are easy pickings for the Reapers. The asari leaders pay dearly for assuming that concealing prothean technology would have no consequence other than giving them a leg up on the rest of the galaxy. The turians, krogan, geth, and quarians, if they are able to put aside old grudges, are going to be noticeably better off when the war is over than if they had continued to distrust each other.

 

The lesson I draw from this is not that it was wrong to explore space or otherwise try to advance technologically, but rather that we need to stop leaping before we look and that a "what's in it for me" approach isn't likely to end well (This is also why my preferred "best possible ending" would be, if Shepard has in fact brokered peace between most of the species, including the geth, to be able to convince the Catalyst that its assumptions are incorrect.)

[silverserfer28]

The catalist could of been for prophean domination,And lets say the propheans are/were not a good species,?And they never finished it as a precaution to keep the reapers at bay when they came to dominate the galaxys them selfs, But failed as they were not ready for the attack by the reapers and they saw what the propheans were trying to accomplish but started the exstermination early?

the propheans could of wiped the human race clean and had all the galaxy as just propheans.

How do we know javic wasnt holding things back about what he really knew,? He took a liking to the krogan way of life because they are strong and want domination of just krogan rule!

[Kenshen]

The catalist could of been for prophean domination,And lets say the propheans are/were not a good species,?And they never finished it as a precaution to keep the reapers at bay when they came to dominate the galaxys them selfs, But failed as they were not ready for the attack by the reapers and they saw what the propheans were trying to accomplish but started the exstermination early?

the propheans could of wiped the human race clean and had all the galaxy as just propheans.

How do we know javic wasnt holding things back about what he really knew,? He took a liking to the krogan way of life because they are strong and want domination of just krogan rule!

 

Actually no.  Javik was pretty clear about how Prothean society worked.  First to be Prothean wasn't just a single race but it meant you were part of the empire.  In this cycle that would mean humans, turians, asari, etc would all be under the same, single banner with a single name.  Just like the Qunari in the dragon age games.  Also Javik did not take a liking to the Krogan way of life.  He saw them as a failed species whose arrogance of their own strength was a major weakness and would be their ultimate downfall.  At the end of the game while listening to Wrex's pep talk he will admit that our cycle is much better off than his was because there wasn't any kind of rallying cry from the races that joined the empire like there was in our cycle.  That doesn't mean he was ready to become Krogan.

[Raice]

I understand that.. 

 

It's just that it goes beyond cautionary in Mass Effect. It's nihilistic. The ultimate message is that progress is dangerous.. that we should just live in ignorance and primitiveness. Else you'll gain the notice of devils and monsters. It's not a message of "caution", but outright avoidance. Else you're doomed.

 

That's why I think it's ultimately a story suitable for fundamentalists and rednecks. They're the people who dislike education, embrace superstition and traditionalism, fear the unknown, attack any foreign culture, and if they have their way, would sink us further into the worst kind of medieval mindset (look at ISIS).

 

It isn't the intent of the writers, of course, but I'm just drawing it to it's natural conclusion.

 

All you're doing is projecting your own singular negative conjecture about the message of the game onto particular groups of people you obviously don't like, and how they would be the ideal audience for it, because by your own opinion, you think they are locked in some chasm of stupidity and ignorance-mongering.

 

Be accountable for your own ideals.  Stop attributing them to someone else - it's borderline hate speech.  In fact, I'd say that's exactly what it is.

[Kabooooom]

true....... but

The Citadel seems to be a focal point for the Reapers. Beings have to first discover that place and get all their data put in the census at the Citadel for the Reapers to work out which people to kill and which to harvest....... The whole station is a "honey trap"

That is why I am of the belief that Earth even 1969 Earth would have been safe..

This still seems unlikely to me. We also have evidence from planet descriptions that the Reapers attacked pre-spaceflight civilizations too. It makes literally no sense for the Reapers to allow a civilization to continue existing when they are only a few thousand years away from spaceflight, let alone a few hundred.

More than likely, after the main harvest, the Reapers open all relays and scour every last inhabitable star system for any unknown civilizations that are pre-spaceflight but close to it, harvest them as well, and them annihilate the remainder of their civilization from space.

[The Devlish Redhead]

This still seems unlikely to me. We also have evidence from planet descriptions that the Reapers attacked pre-spaceflight civilizations too. It makes literally no sense for the Reapers to allow a civilization to continue existing when they are only a few thousand years away from spaceflight, let alone a few hundred.

More than likely, after the main harvest, the Reapers open all relays and scour every last inhabitable star system for any unknown civilizations that are pre-spaceflight but close to it, harvest them as well, and them annihilate the remainder of their civilization from space.

Then why did the Star Brat tell Shepard that the last time they were in their system they left Earth alone?

[Vazgen]

Then why did the Star Brat tell Shepard that the last time they were in their system they left Earth alone?

The last time they were there humanity was far from being close to space travel. Reaper war takes place in 2186.