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[Puppy Love]

More feminine qualities in armor design would be great. By feminine I mean adding lighter colors, bows, ribbons, some frills, and cloth covering for the armored skirts with feminine designs, stuff like that. Things that invoke thoughts of femininity.

 

I don't mean boob cups or bare midriffs...

 

Or cleavage windows either really, unless talking about mage outfits, who deserve robes reminiscent of beautiful dresses in which such a design is fine and many might like them.

 

One thing I've noticed in that most feminine qualities to armor seems to be unfairly tied to skimp ware, while skimp ware is not unfairly tied to feminine flair.

 

As the practical armor crowd tends to try to distance themselves from skimp ware, the feminine qualities tied to it go with it. Which is completely unnecessary and wrong.

 

For one thing, discounting femininity, brightly colored cloth tabards, arm bands, and the like are not unusual in ancient armors, in fact they were quite common. These were armors made by men, for men. What is being asked for is not much different than any of that.

 

What's being asked for is more feminine designs to the tabards, arm bands, armored skirts and the like. In Thedus women are as much warriors as men are, and I'd love to see more feminine tastes and sensibilities incorporated into armor design to help represent that divergence from our real world armor design evolution.

 

Plus as has been pointed out to me, in olden times, such flair as ribbons and the like were not only the province of women, but many men and nobles as well, so such armors could be worn by men and women alike.

 

Take the color pink, quite often it was traditionally worn by men until relatively recent history.  Many men of whom now are taking the color back. So none of these traits being asked for need to be restricted by gender.

 

I would simply like armors that reflect a softer bent, with ribbons, frills, and more feminine armored skirt designs.

 

All which can be done, be beautiful, and not require sacrificing even a bit of practical protective qualities.

 

Now this thread is not about skimpy armor and I'd really like to distance such requests from being unfairly linked to such designs. This thread is about practical armor with more feminine qualities and the desire for such.

 

Spent a lot of time arguing for this in threads involving skimpy armor, but is really unfair to what I'm asking for, as doing so helps lump it in, to an extent, with skimp ware, when what I really want is to distance it from skimp ware so it's not thrown out with it.

 

Also is to help developers realize armor can have feminine qualities without needing to show skin or be skimpy. Showing skin does not equal feminine, merely sexual. Now something can be both sexual and feminine in design as well, not saying otherwise, BUT things can be feminine and not sexual in design as well.

 

The goal is to remove the feminine being tied to sexual, so we can have both feminine and practical armors.

[Steelcan]

The armors we've seen so far strike me as rather unisex, they aren't particularly masculine or feminine, but I'd be more than ok with the option to color our armor or add trinkets to it

[Puppy Love]

DA has so far really had mostly masculine, gender neutral, and skimpy sexual armor (The dalish armor for example, purely revealing but lacking any true feminine flair) or purely sexual armor (see all the boob cups in origins)

 

There are a few somewhat feminine robes if you discount the coloring travesties, but anything else is very much lacking in any kind of femininity.  If I want masculine qualities I can get it in dragon age armor, if I want gender neutral, can get that too, if I want sexual yet oddly lacking femininity, it exists in origins, but actually feminine, not so much unless I wear a few specific never powerful robes, and then the color is lacking.

[CENIC]

Well, the good news about DAI is that with the crafting system you have complete control over how your armor looks.

 

I'm not sure if dyes exist, but you can use different materials to add color and flair to your armor.

 

The armors they have shown so far have all been on the more practical side, but I'm sure there are some suits with a tighter fit that will be more flattering on the female form. You can even craft armor for a class that normally would not be able to wear it by using special materials - an example given was making armor with an extremely light metal that allows a mage to wear a set of plate armor, but I'm sure you could make a form-fitting set of leather armor with sturdy materials (dragon hide, perhaps?) that a warrior could use effectively.

[Mad Cassidy]

I think my characters can be plenty 'feminine'* without bows and frilly bits attached to their armours. I want my armours to be practical, but then, I'm kind of a minimalist. But I guess so long as I have the option of non-frilly armours, go nuts. It's just not my proverbial cup of tea.

 

* The kind of traditional femininity you describe isn't really something I want for my characters, and I imagine not a small number would agree.

[Puppy Love]

Well, the good news about DAI is that with the crafting system you have complete control over how your armor looks.

 

I'm not sure if dyes exist, but you can use different materials to add color and flair to your armor.

 

The armors they have shown so far have all been on the more practical side, but I'm sure there are some suits with a tighter fit that will be more flattering on the female form. You can even craft armor for a class that normally would not be able to wear it by using special materials - an example given was making armor with an extremely light metal that allows a mage to wear a set of plate armor, but I'm sure you could make a form-fitting set of leather armor with sturdy materials (dragon hide, perhaps?) that a warrior could use effectively.

Form fitting falls under a sexual quality, not a feminine quality.  Armor does not need to be excessively tight and form fitting to be feminine.

[herkles]

Form fitting falls under a sexual quality, not a feminine quality.  Armor does not need to be excessively tight and form fitting to be feminine.

Not to mention, Armor is not designed to be that tight. If it is to tight then it is a detriment in battle. Tis why underneath the plate armor, people wore leather and cloth padding. Also armor was often nowhere near as heavy as people imagine it to be, knights had plenty of dexterity within their armor. Of course armor that wasn't designed for you, regardless of gender, would feel off.

 

One thing I am curious about is if we might get some 'casual armor' which we can design and tailor to our preferences. As maybe tis just me, but I don't like going everywhere in armor all the time.

[Puppy Love]

I think my characters can be plenty 'feminine'* without bows and frilly bits attached to their armours. I want my armours to be practical, but then, I'm kind of a minimalist. But I guess so long as I have the option of non-frilly armours, go nuts. It's just not my proverbial cup of tea.

 

* The kind of traditional femininity you describe isn't really something I want for my characters, and I imagine not a small number would agree.

 

We're not talking feminine in terms of being female, nor in terms of specific non style related personality traits.  One can act girly in anything, and being female does not mean everything one does or wears is automatically feminine.  Same with being male does not make everything one does or wears masculine.

 

As I said, I want armors that are practical AND have feminine flair.  This is not about impractical skimpy armor.  Is also about options, having the option to have such armors.  You already have your practical and lacking feminine flair armor choices, and trust me, they aren't going anywhere.  I just want the options for myself and others with similar tastes.

 

*You're not the only one playing the game, and I know I'm not the only one wanting such options.  Seeing as I'm asking for the option, and not removal of anyone elses armor option, I don't see how others liking some of what they already get is relevant, unless you're saying something along the lines of: "I don't think think enough people want what you want to matter, so don't bother asking and go away."

[CENIC]

One thing I am curious about is if we might get some 'casual armor' which we can design and tailor to our preferences. As maybe tis just me, but I don't like going everywhere in armor all the time.

 

Not sure if it's what you mean, but the Inquisitor wears clothing under their armor, and while in Skyhold they remove the armor (so they are walking around in their clothes)

 

At the moment there is only one clothing set (boo!) but in a recent livestream Mike Laidlaw and Mark Darrah expressed interest in offering more choices later - probably with DLC.

[AresKeith]

We're not talking feminine in terms of being female, nor in terms of specific non style related personality traits.  One can act girly in anything, and being female does not mean everything one does or wears is automatically feminine.  Same with being male does not make everything one does or wears masculine.

 

As I said, I want armors that are practical AND have feminine flair.  This is not about impractical skimpy armor.  Is also about options, having the option to have such armors.  You already have your practical and lacking feminine flair armor choices, and trust me, they aren't going anywhere.  I just want the options for myself and others with similar tastes.

 

*You're not the only one playing the game, and I know I'm not the only one wanting such options.  Seeing as I'm asking for the option, and not removal of anyone elses armor option, I don't see how others liking some of what they already get is relevant, unless you're saying something along the lines of: "I don't think think enough people want what you want to matter, so don't bother asking and go away."

 

I think posting pics of what you mean can help

[Puppy Love]

I think posting pics of what you mean can help

Is hard to find good ones, most things with feminine flair are attached to skimpy armor, while practical armor tries to follow the traditional western designs, which incorporates a rather narrow view on what armor could be.  At best I can find close.

 

If I had a scanner I might try drawing it.  Would be happy to see what others can find.  Have seen some decent proximities posted but don't know where to find them.

[Puppy Love]

I think different people have different ideas about femininity; some of the other people asking for more feminine armors wouldn't leave out the skimpy ones at all. And like you mention, a lot of the things you ascribe as feminine are things that didn't used to be considered feminine at all...

But I think you're basically asking for... softer fabrics and softer colors? That sounds cool to me.

Yep along with bows, and maybe some frilly details on the armor skirts to make them appear more dress like, while not needing to change their form or function at all.

 

As for skimpy, skimpy can be feminine, but feminine does not mean skimpy or vice versa, and yes am using it to represent more girly things, kind of a modern perspective.  I mean if we jump enough time and cultures we can throw feminine and masculine out the window as descriptive terms really.

 

What I mean is more girly traits by modern perspective, but not necessarily by other perspectives.  Dresslike qualities, ect.  Make the armor have a softer prettier look rather than hard and harsh.

[Devil's Avocado]

We're not talking feminine in terms of being female, nor in terms of specific non style related personality traits.  One can act girly in anything, and being female does not mean everything one does or wears is automatically feminine.  Same with being male does not make everything one does or wears masculine.

It sounds like you're contradicting yourself since the very definition of feminine is "Anything in relation, pertains to, or traditionally associated with females" 

You name things like ribbons and frills (which are commonly associated with females due to apparently liking them) yet state your not talking about feminine in terms of being female or their personalities? Your first post OP also sounds like you need to justify making this equal and saying men also used such items but lets be blunt:

You want your armor to be pretty and practical, like a 'typical female' would want.

 

That being said, why not? Adds more customization. The only problem I see with this, woman typically have a much wider access to clothing and different designs thus we have a much larger view upon what woman want to wear. That will turn into a headache for the devs trying to include all of that for one side of the audience when I would rather they put their resources towards items that both genders like.

 

I wouldn't suggest ribbons or frills. Instead I would ask for bandanas, wrist bans, clothing pins and piercings, something that can give someone more personality and given the right texture can be seen as more feminine or masculine.

 

[Puppy Love]

I wouldn't suggest ribbons or frills. Instead I would ask for bandanas, wrist bans, clothing pins and piercings, something that can give someone more personality and given the right texture can be seen as more feminine or masculine.

 

Those are all more gender neutral designs though, which we already have, and never come off as they've been presented as girly.  While guys can wear frills and ribbons, in the past noble men often did, is more girly in appearance by modern sensibilities.  Plus doing what you suggest removes the more skirt/dress like looking armored skirt which is frankly what I desire most of all.  Adding a frill/cloth, and non bland color/design to the armored skirt would do wonders to make female armor prettier and more girly.

[Patchwork]

I don't object to the idea of adding a few ribbons to a staff or the seen edges of a shirt having lace. I even like the idea of having a way to pretty up your armour without compromising it's practicality but it has to be optional.

[Puppy Love]

I don't object to the idea of adding a few ribbons to a staff or the seen edges of a shirt having lace. I even like the idea of having a way to pretty up your armour without compromising it's practicality but it has to be optional.

Is all I'm asking for is the option.  Though people sometimes talk like ever finding a good armor that doesn't fit their ideal is forcing things on them, which is crazy, because by that belief only one persons armor preference can always be met.  If an armor like I'm asking for was great armor, and a different but great armor exists but you didn't happen to find it, it is not forcing it on you any more than if the reverse happened it's forcing it on me. 

 

Is only forcing it on you if it's the only option ever.  If anyone thinks I'm asking for dragon age to be filled with lace, ribbons, and frills on all it's armor, they are silly.  Same as if they happen to find a frilly armor set in the game that happens to be better than they currently have and complain it's being forced on them is being ridiculous, selfish and uncompromising. 

 

90% of my game play in most games is that exact experience, asking for the chance that's not the ALWAYS case for me in dragon age, which results in it occasionally being the case for people who most of the armor will still fit their standard, is not asking that much.  I'm not asking for removal, only inclusion, which yes means you will find frilly armor sets that might be better than your current armor set til you find better.

 

I'd likely have to wear armor I didn't like still for 90% of the game unless lucky enough to find it.  So someone being stuck in it or having worse stats for a small fraction of time in comparison is not something I will feel bad about.

 

Honestly I'd like a definition on what exactly having armor options forced on you entails.  What does it mean in a game where armor sets are random drops.  Is not like it's a character customization option like hair and eyes.  You get what you scavenge.  Could someone put a real definitive definition of this.

[Bugsie]

Nobody in this thread has argued against the options you're asking for. In fact most have said they like the idea of an optional feature like this. I'd like more dyes available for mage robes and the like myself.

Perhaps you can back off the antagonism a little?

[Puppy Love]

I just want to know what forced means. 

[Natashina]

When I see this type of armor, I think of some of the requests for more feminine accents for practical armor.  It's from a mod from DA:O (you can get it for Hawke in DA2 as well,) but I always thought this married fairly practical design with pleasing aesthetics nicely:

 

 

Well, I always liked it at least.

[Mihura]

I think the word you are looking for is ornamental, armor sure does not have gender nor should clothes. I dislike the association that practical, means male.

 

As for examples, there are some in GW 2 but I can only agree with this, if they fit in all the genders.

 

Source: http://dulfy.net/201...in-in-gemstore/

[Puppy Love]

When I see this type of armor, I think of some of the requests for more feminine accents for practical armor.  It's from a mod from DA:O (you can get it for Hawke in DA2 as well,) but I always thought this married fairly practical design with pleasing aesthetics nicely:

 

 

Well, I always liked it at least.

I like the colors!!!

[Puppy Love]

I think the word you are looking for is ornamental, armor sure does not have gender nor should clothes. I dislike the association that practical, means male.

 

As for examples, there are some in GW 2 but I can only agree with this, if they fit in all the genders.

 

Source: http://dulfy.net/201...in-in-gemstore/

Practical does not mean male, all is covered in my post.  The title even has (NOT SKIMPY ARMOR) in parenthesis to clarify this fact.  I'm not asking for impractical armor.  Both those sets are very pretty, though the Pauldrons in both fall under the impractical category on the opposite side of the fence.  So does oversized kneck think, blocks vision

 

Both those armors have some of the ornamentation I like.  However ornamentation does not cover it, as armor spikes and deformed faces are ornamentation.  Without specifying the theme/feel, ornamentation can mean literally anything.

[CENIC]

Vivienne's personal style seems to be exactly what you're looking for - practical, but pretty. The outfit she was wearing in the Valammar livestream Mike Laidlaw and Cameron Lee did was beautiful.

Armor has a unique, personalized appearance on each companion but I'd be surprised if you can't find something your Inquisitor can wear that is closer to Vivienne's style.

 

Also, you can craft custom equipment in a variety of colors - so at the very least, you can wear something colorful.

I think the Crafting & Customization video showed Varric wearing a purple coat.

[Puppy Love]

Vivienne's personal style seems to be exactly what you're looking for - practical, but pretty. The outfit she was wearing in the Valammar livestream Mike Laidlaw and Cameron Lee did was beautiful.

Armor has a unique, personalized appearance on each companion but I'd be surprised if you can't find something your Inquisitor can wear that is closer to Vivienne's style.

 

Also, you can craft custom equipment in a variety of colors - so at the very least, you can wear something colorful.

I think the Crafting & Customization video showed Varric wearing a purple coat.

I'm hoping the crafting isn't too hard and complicated and I'm not sacrificing too much to simply look okies