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[RenAdaar]

As long as the armour doesn't have boob plate im game lol 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

From now on any sexy clothing must be acompanied by a mages hat to even it out. Those are the new rules.

[Yermogi]

I like the idea of having armor that flatters a character's figure, male or female, and depending on the armor has decoration that could be considered feminine. 

 

The fancy expensive armor for the hero in Fable II, for example. The heroine had a nicely designed Victorian-looking dress that was pretty and feminine but not skimpy. There was an equivalent armor for men too. 

[Silver Souls]

is the last one armor or a dress its cute either way.

most likely a  armor dress but I like it

[DarthLaxian]

I like the idea of having armor that flatters a character's figure, male or female, and depending on the armor has decoration that could be considered feminine. 

 

The fancy expensive armor for the hero in Fable II, for example. The heroine had a nicely designed Victorian-looking dress that was pretty and feminine but not skimpy. There was an equivalent armor for men too. 

 

Are dresses for fighting? Are they considered protective clothing?

 

I don't think so (and it looks utterly ridiculous on a battlefield or in a dungeon) - they lack the padding (leather, chainmail or even full plate), they restrict movement (a (mini-)skirt might not - but it doesn't offer any protection either (!)), they snag on things (from small rocks to trees and bushes in a forest) etc.

 

Sorry - I can understand people wanting to dress their character up while at Skyhold or another Inquisition stronghold and maybe even when meeting certain people (I'd argue though, that when meeting other leaders a well made and well maintained armor is much more impressive than a dress) and certainly at a ball (though I would not - I'd rather show up in a lighter version of my normal armor (say leather instead of chainmail or full plate)), but on the field?

 

Come on, we are not there to picnic or to play with the bunnies

 

greetings LAX

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Sell a lot of verry early armor looked dress like look at thr Chinese or the Indian Rhajput for example.

[Ser Jynx]

Are dresses for fighting? Are they considered protective clothing?

 

I don't think so (and it looks utterly ridiculous on a battlefield or in a dungeon) - they lack the padding (leather, chainmail or even full plate), they restrict movement (a (mini-)skirt might not - but it doesn't offer any protection either (!)), they snag on things (from small rocks to trees and bushes in a forest) etc.

 

Sorry - I can understand people wanting to dress their character up while at Skyhold or another Inquisition stronghold and maybe even when meeting certain people (I'd argue though, that when meeting other leaders a well made and well maintained armor is much more impressive than a dress) and certainly at a ball (though I would not - I'd rather show up in a lighter version of my normal armor (say leather instead of chainmail or full plate)), but on the field?

 

Come on, we are not there to picnic or to play with the bunnies

 

greetings LAX

Skirts never stopped Simon

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

But he never faced Bunnies did he.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Are dresses for fighting? Are they considered protective clothing?

 

I don't think so (and it looks utterly ridiculous on a battlefield or in a dungeon) - they lack the padding (leather, chainmail or even full plate), they restrict movement (a (mini-)skirt might not - but it doesn't offer any protection either (!)), they snag on things (from small rocks to trees and bushes in a forest) etc.

 

Sorry - I can understand people wanting to dress their character up while at Skyhold or another Inquisition stronghold and maybe even when meeting certain people (I'd argue though, that when meeting other leaders a well made and well maintained armor is much more impressive than a dress) and certainly at a ball (though I would not - I'd rather show up in a lighter version of my normal armor (say leather instead of chainmail or full plate)), but on the field?

 

Come on, we are not there to picnic or to play with the bunnies

 

greetings LAX

But if it was just an option, so those who want it have it and those who don't want don't have to have it, why do you care?

 

I understand not agreeing with something, but putting people down by saying what they want is stupid is not okay. 

[MzHyde]

Oh, for the love of.....what is being requested here is the included option to either be able to find or design functional armor with more "feminine features." This request actually has nothing to do with gender or the desire to somehow represent it through armor. No one in agreement on this actually wants armor that is skimpy(shows skin) or is obviously not suited to combat. We want it to cover everything it should and not include details that could hinder movement and thus combat. Misunderstanding in this regard seems to be the result of people marrying sexualizing something to feminizing it. I assure you they are two completely seperate things! It's simply a request for the inclusion of an alternative aesthetic for armor that could be implemented by anyone(of either gender) for any character(of either gender or any race.)

 

How to define what is meant by "feminine features?" What we want are things typically attributed as stereotypically feminine. This includes things such as lighter or more vivid colors such as pastels instead of darker, more harsh, or bland palettes. We want the inclusion of softer more rounded features instead of harsh, pointed, and ragged ones. Give us the use of things like ribbon, lace, and fur on areas of the armor made of cloth. Let us implement some personal stylized touches to the armor that can be "feminine" in nature(or not if you want something else.) Basically, we want the best of both worlds, form and function.

 

(As a side note, I should ask you to please bare in mind that because we want to include styles that have been stereotyped by society doesn't mean we wish to utilize it in a stereotypical way.)

 

To us, this is a perfectly reasonable request. After all, we're only gonna be looking at our character throughout the whole game! We just want to enjoy what we're looking at. Yeah, I know that pretty stylized armor is the equivalent of painting a target on my forehead in realistic terms, but such will not affect gameplay or break immersion for me personally. If it won't hurt gameplay, why not go for it? If it makes us happy, then we can request it and requesting it we are! It's not like we wanna go crazy with it. We still want the armor to appear believably feasible to us.

 

Now I understand that for some of you what we are requesting just seems ridiculous. From what I gather, you have a pretty good concept of how real world armor works, so for you seeing something in-game that clashes with that knowledge would totally break immersion for you. Fair enough. I totally see where you're coming from. I on the other hand don't know jack squat about real world combat or armor. Neither do most people. For us, it's not nearly as hard to swallow and much easier for us to believe and enjoy.

 

Look, this is a game. It's all make believe. Part of being creative is being able to bend the rules and suspend belief. That being said, we all have different thresholds for what we do and don't consider believable. We just want this particular style of armor to be implemented as a choice because we find it aesthetically pleasing and believable personally. Rest assured, other styles could still be implemented, including the styles you feel to be best. We just want this available as an included option not a requirement because we feel it is best. Savvy?

[Ser Jynx]

Very good work conveying what you want.

 

Expect adornments such as ribbon, lace, fur, and cloth should be described as being flamboyant, extravagant, or just plain expensive (feminine implies gender so it should stop being used when referring to armor decor. Its meaning can be interpreted in far too many ways). Males like pretty armor too, gender should be no object when speaking of armor. Also feathers would be sweet too. 

 

[phantomrachie]

How to define what is meant by "feminine features?" What we want are things typically attributed as stereotypically feminine. This includes things such as lighter or more vivid colors such as pastels instead of darker, more harsh, or bland palettes. We want the inclusion of softer more rounded features instead of harsh, pointed, and ragged ones. Give us the use of things like ribbon, lace, and fur on areas of the armor made of cloth. Let us implement some personal stylized touches to the armor that can be "feminine" in nature(or not if you want something else.) Basically, we want the best of both worlds, form and function.

 

(As a side note, I should ask you to please bare in mind that because we want to include styles that have been stereotyped by society doesn't mean we wish to utilize it in a stereotypical way.)

 

But why should these things be limited to armours for women. My point has been that things that modern society typically attributes as feminine are not applicable to types of armour based on Medieval Europe.

 

What you want are colourful armours and embellishments - which real armour did have and I'm all for as long as it doesn't compromise the integrity of the armour.

 

I've already posted some examples but here is another one

 

Spoiler

 

As for DA:I, there is nothing to suggest that there won't be at least some armour that suits you, it just might take a while to find. Orlesian armour is traditional very colourful & has lots of embellishments. 

 

Look at Duke Prosper

 

Spoiler

 

Look at the Orlesians that we've seen in DA:I footage. 

 

 

As long as these armours are tailored to fit the female form, then they are examples of what I understand you are looking for.

[RawToast]

I'd love some more feminine armors. Or a more diverse range of styles of armor in general. 

[Elissiaro]

Some people seem to not read the tread at all before posting...

 

Here are some gorgeous armors that I consider pretty feminine:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

The one on the right... Obviously.

Right one again.

And again.

Oh look, she's on the right, again.

 

This has a sliight boob window and nothing on the arms, but it's light armor so...

This one's pretty unisex but sooo gourgeous.

Three out of five look awesome, one ran out of metal and one is sexy clothing.

Pretty sure these are from torchlight 2.

From Dark Souls, dunno if it's 1 or 2.

Saber has the best armor. The white one could use some shoulder protection and the black one could work really well on guys too.

 

Yeah some of them don't really fit the style of dragon age... But they're so pretty!

[Grieving Natashina]

A lot of them look nice, but absolutely no to number four.  That's far too much skin showing for good armor.  The first three styles I think would fit into DA's current aesthetic quite well.

 

I found this and I really liked it:

 

[Elissiaro]

A lot of them look nice, but absolutely no to number four.  That's far too much skin showing for good armor.  The first three styles I think would fit into DA's current aesthetic quite well.

 

If you were replying to me... The 4th pic is a bad armor with a fixed version to the right of it, it's one image, though it looks kinda like 2 separate ones. So uh, just ignore the version on the left, I know it's terrible

[Silver Souls]

Very good work conveying what you want.

 

Expect adornments such as ribbon, lace, fur, and cloth should be described as being flamboyant, extravagant, or just plain expensive (feminine implies gender so it should stop being used when referring to armor decor. Its meaning can be interpreted in far too many ways). Males like pretty armor too, gender should be no object when speaking of armor. Also feathers would be sweet too. 

 

Dynasty warriors for the win   Cao Cao

[Yermogi]

Are dresses for fighting? Are they considered protective clothing?

 

I don't think so (and it looks utterly ridiculous on a battlefield or in a dungeon) - they lack the padding (leather, chainmail or even full plate), they restrict movement (a (mini-)skirt might not - but it doesn't offer any protection either (!)), they snag on things (from small rocks to trees and bushes in a forest) etc.

 

Sorry - I can understand people wanting to dress their character up while at Skyhold or another Inquisition stronghold and maybe even when meeting certain people (I'd argue though, that when meeting other leaders a well made and well maintained armor is much more impressive than a dress) and certainly at a ball (though I would not - I'd rather show up in a lighter version of my normal armor (say leather instead of chainmail or full plate)), but on the field?

 

Come on, we are not there to picnic or to play with the bunnies

 

greetings LAX

I was using it as an EXAMPLE. I was not suggesting that we have all the females wear flouncy skirts and corsets. I'm simply saying you can make nice looking non-skimpy armor for both males and females that is flattering without being overly suggestive. It would also be nice to have casual clothes to wear while in the Keep instead of always being armed to the teeth.

 

I mean, good grief, it's pretty obviously it would be ridiculous to fight a dragon in a skirt. 

[Lennard Testarossa]

I mean, good grief, it's pretty obviously it would be ridiculous to fight a dragon in a skirt. 

 

Why?

[Elissiaro]

I mean, good grief, it's pretty obviously it would be ridiculous to fight a dragon in a skirt. 

 

I guess you must have disliked the templar armor then. With the long skirt and all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I mean, good grief, it's pretty obviously it would be ridiculous to fight a dragon in a skirt. 

To be fair, it would be rediculous to fight them in steel armor too. Either it is a fire dragon in which the armor will cook you, or it is a frost dragon in which case you will get frozen due to the armor, or it is a lightning dragon in which case you are a walking lightning rod. 

[Ser Jynx]

It is preferable to wear a chain mail skirt under a cloth one. Protection and aesthetics. But certain chain mail skirts look cool by themselves anyway.   

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Dynasty warriors for the win   Cao Cao

Ummm thats Nobunaga Oda mate.

[MzHyde]

But why should these things be limited to armours for women. My point has been that things that modern society typically attributes as feminine are not applicable to types of armour based on Medieval Europe.

 

What you want are colourful armours and embellishments - which real armour did have and I'm all for as long as it doesn't compromise the integrity of the armour.

 

I've already posted some examples but here is another one

 

Look at the Orlesians that we've seen in DA:I footage. 

 

 

As long as these armours are tailored to fit the female form, then they are examples of what I understand you are looking for.

 

In regards to your first point....that's pretty much what I was trying to say. We don't want armor specifically for women only. We just want armor that happens to adhere to a feminine aesthetic. So, you basically reiterated the same point I was trying to make, and I actually like the armor you provided as example(as well as your posts in this thread overall.) I think it looks quite nice and serves as an excellent example of real world armor with some nice flair.  

 

As for the second bold bit, that comes from people mistakingly viewing sexualized styles as feminine. They aren't. That is all.

 

You also make a very valid point about Orlesian armor. The only reason I didn't mention it as an example is that they tend to go overboard. Their style tends to come off as over-the-top, nonsensical, and/or gaudy quite often, in my opinion. In fact, their overall take on this matter is form over function. What we'd like to see is a nice balance between the two. Seeing the Orlesian armor in the gameplay they've revealed thus far still makes me very hopeful, however. When I said feminine armor styles hadn't yet been implemented much, to my knowledge, I also wasn't including Inquisition because no one has played it yet save for demos. There will definitely be a few exceptions here and there in the previous games I'm sure. You are also correct about Duke Prosper. Gotta love Orlesian style, even if it is cray-cray at times.

 

As for that last statement, I repeat, this isn't about armor "fitting the female form." It's about it having a certain appearance. After all, women typically bind their breasts before putting on armor, so there really shouldn't be breast cups in the breast plate. That's the last thing we want. Other than breasts, women aren't physically different enough from men for the overall physical shape of the armor to need to be changed much. In fact, any difference in actual physical shape would be quite trivial to the point of only having relevance for whoever is making the armor.

[Aryvine]

The word "feminine" or "insert feminine gender-implicative word here" makes me feel like I'm cross-dressing. Not that there's anything wrong with being proud of "cross-dressing." It's just... Eh, nevermind. (hides)