Outscore you anyday deerber scrub
And we're you the scrub that wasn't using lvl1 character trying to act like all boss like you were? Super scrub alert
Lmao! 
And here I was, thinking you had taken english lessons lately... Stupid me, that's what happens when you have too much faith in genus ******.
So tell me... Is it my presence that moves you so much that you forget how to write? Or is it something else?
Edit: seriously now? H o m o is censored?!? Bioware, what the actual ****?
Right. Because the other players never need to take cover or reposition while you're always on the go and always doing damage thanks to draining shields back and DR/Movement bonuses after a successful SS. If you keep yourself light, you can shadow strike every 2.5 seconds, and with cooldowns that short, you don't need duration cloak if you want to capitalize on bonus power. If you don't, you can go 5/4/6/5/6 as well, sticking an extra point in ES for Geth Scanner Wallhax.
Hey, you know who snipes better than the shadow? Almost any other infiltrator that has bonus sniper damage on Cloak's 6B. Shadows have a modest weapon damage bonus of 27.5% which, while pretty good, is offset by the lack of powers to further boost it's damage. The Base Humans can Cloak-Cryo-Shoot to deal 10% more damage, and can sticky grenade freely without mucking with their cooldowns. Salarians have proximity mine to boost their shot damage by 25%, as well as Energy Drain to stagger and stay in the game. Quarian Females have Sabotage and Sticky Grenades, while the Quarian Males have Arc Grenades and Tactical Scan, again, to boost their damage. The Drell Assassin even has Recon Mine, to Javelin through thick walls with utter impunity with, AND the invasive scan evolution to make anything it highlights take more damage, in addition to a weapon damage bonus of over 30%. And I don't even NEED to get into how OP the Geth Infiltrator's Cloaked Hunter Mode shots are.
Basically, every single shadow sniper is deliberately gimping themselves by not playing a different, better, sniper who has some sort of weapon/power synergy or grenades or whatnot, as the Shadow's powers do not lend well to a sniper style. If you're playing the shadow, you may as well capitalize on what makes it unique instead of making it generic subpar snipefiltrator #18892^10. Of course, if I have to pick between a sniper shadow to roll my eyes at, or the "DO YOU EVEN ****ING READ, BRO!?" kits of sniper Ghosts, sniper Huntresses and sniper AIUs, the sniper shadow suddenly looks less bad.
Look man, give it a try yourself. Have some good player from here play with you while you're playing a SS-centric shadow and he's playing whatever crap setup you can think of. He's gonna trump your killing efficiency and your score, by miles. You just need to pick the right guy to play with 
That said, I do agree with the sentiment you expressed in the later paragraphs. It was the first thing I mentioned, actually, quite some posts above. I was just trying to say that, while if you compare a sniper shadow to any other sniper infiltrator you clearly see he's the worst, if you compare him to a SS-centric shadow the sniper is still more efficient at killing, and by a mile and a half.
I'm sorry, I don't wanna sound like a dick now, but I gotta say that... If you outscored them playing a SS-centric shadow, then they weren't great players and great shots. They might have been solid and good player, but any player that is efficient at killing will trump that setup anytime, on any map, difficulty, enemy... Simply put, it takes too much time for you to kill something with SS. It might be a nice, enjoyable, and easy way of dealing with some threats this game poses.. But it's never going to be efficient with killing. Not a fault of the player, but rather of he power
I won't deny that she's a support role, but even the best shot won't land headshots or even score hits every time he/she shoots. It's far easier to SS two dragoons (OHK) than score headshots under cloak on two different targets. Plus don't discount the inevitable shotgun blasts/melees that can follow a shadow strike.
I guess my biggest point is that there is far less margin for error with a shadow than a BW.infiltrator build and that's where she can make up the difference. I would like to clarify, tho, that I don't believe shadows consistently outscore snipers, just that they can.
Note (speaking from console perspective): it's my experience that BW gets 2 shots under cloak and doesn't body dragoons, at least as far as the BW VIII is concerned . However, I also don't use the BW on the GI or DAI; I could see them bodying a dragoon but I haven't seen that yet (and if we're even bringing GI into the discussion then we might as well not have had it lol)
Look man, give it a try yourself. Have some good player from here play with you while you're playing a SS-centric shadow and he's playing whatever crap setup you can think of. He's gonna trump your killing efficiency and your score, by miles. You just need to pick the right guy to play with
Now she's not my favorite or best kit, but I consistently score 150k+ with the shadow pretty much everytime*, whether there's a Reegar AIU, recon spamming drell or GT thrown into the mix. When I am outscored, it's not by miles - in fact I recall finishing somewhere around 3k behind Rusty with her today in a glacier match. Granted it was my host and he was playing a Havoc, but Rusty ain't no scrub 
*Pugging
I'm convinced you are the dumbest person in the forums. Please tell me English isn't your first language.
As always:
I'm better than you at this game.
I'm better than you at the English language.
I'm better than you at picking up chicks.
I'm just better than you at everything.
Lol. This keeps getting better and better!
... I'm guessing you're also better at modesty, yes? Oh, wait. Do you know that word? Here, an explanation.
I won't deny that she's a support role, but even the best shot won't land headshots or even score hits every time he/she shoots. It's far easier to SS two dragoons (OHK) than score headshots under cloak on two different targets. Plus don't discount the inevitable shotgun blasts/melees that can follow a shadow strike.
I guess my biggest point is that there is far less margin for error with a shadow than a BW.infiltrator build and that's where she can make up the difference. I would like to clarify, tho, that I don't believe shadows consistently outscore snipers, just that they can.
Note (speaking from console perspective): it's my experience that BW gets 2 shots under cloak and doesn't body dragoons, at least as far as the BW XIII is concerned
Yeah, I understand that. SS centric builds are certainly easier to play and... Well, never miss XD They do have less margin of error for sure. My point was simply that an expert player, who knows how to deal with that chance of error and minimize it, will usually kill faster and more efficiently with a sniper, that's all. There is also a weaker difference between a sniper build and a SS one on console, I'm sure, due to aiming being harder. My experience is limited to PC, keep that in mind 
Also no, a shadow can't OHK a dragoon with a bodyshot using a BW, under usual circumstances. I didn't do the math, but I highly doubt even a GI or a DAI could do that, under usual circumstances (i.e: not a ton of debuffs, no thermal packs spam, etc).
Also no, a shadow can't OHK a dragoon with a bodyshot using a BW, under usual circumstances. I didn't do the math, but I highly doubt even a GI or a DAI could do that, under usual circumstances (i.e: not a ton of debuffs, no thermal packs spam, etc).
I meant a OHK with SS
I meant a OHK with SS
Uh? I was refering to your last statement, confirming it is true... Am I missing something? 
Uh? I was refering to your last statement, confirming it is true... Am I missing something?
Umm I dunno. There may or may not be a whole lot of confusion going on here.
I was under the impression that you thought I said that a shadow could OHK a dragoon with a BW? Or were you just pointing that out?
I was saying that you can't body dragoons with a cloaked BW shot (maybe with GI or DAI but I doubt it), but (an extremely accurate!) shadow strike kills dragoons in one hit.
So...1 = 1?
Also no, a shadow can't OHK a dragoon with a bodyshot using a BW, under usual circumstances. I didn't do the math, but I highly doubt even a GI or a DAI could do that, under usual circumstances (i.e: not a ton of debuffs, no thermal packs spam, etc).
The DAI can kill a gold Dragoon (4811 armour) in a single bodyshot with the Black Widow. The kit needs to be fully amped up with top consumables and the Dragoon must be debuffed by Recon Mine for it to work though.
The GI can also do it but only after the Dragoon has been hit and debuffed with Prox Mine - which does significant damage on it's own so the comparison isn't very fair.
Umm I dunno. There may or may not be a whole lot of confusion going on here.
I was under the impression that you thought I said that a shadow could OHK a dragoon with a BW? Or were you just pointing that out?
I was saying that you can't body dragoons with a cloaked BW shot (maybe with GI or DAI but I doubt it), but (an extremely accurate!) shadow strike kills dragoons in one hit.
So...1 = 1?
Uhm... Yeah, there might have been some misunderstanding
A shadow can indeed OHK a dragoon with a BW, she just needs a headshot. However, as you said, it can't be done with a bodyshot, while SS don't need aiming, yeah.
The DAI can kill a gold Dragoon (4811 armour) in a single bodyshot with the Black Widow. The kit needs to be fully amped up with top consumables and the Dragoon must be debuffed by Recon Mine for it to work though.
The GI can also do it but only after the Dragoon has been hit and debuffed with Prox Mine - which does significant damage on it's own so the comparison isn't very fair.
Interesting. Gold only, but still, I would have bet against it
Edit: and if my math isn't wrong, if you use AP ammo you fall short of a whole ONE point of damage... Lol!
Note (speaking from console perspective): it's my experience that BW gets 2 shots under cloak and doesn't body dragoons, at least as far as the BW XIII is concerned
Curse you Deerber for quoting me the instant I posted that (I edited it as soon as I posted it)
For the record, I'd like to state that I don't have a BW XIII, but if I do it most certainly bodys dragoons in one shot and that's with the human infiltrator
Lol. This keeps getting better and better!
... I'm guessing you're also better at modesty, yes? Oh, wait. Do you know that word? Here, an explanation.
Using big words, for you, I see. I'm actually that much better than you that I'm still practicing modesty by not revealing the whole extent of how...insufficient you are in many aspects.
Just cross platform thunderdome this thing and get it over with already
Rules: no missiles and no reviving other players. Deerber isn't allowed to reload cancel and Bunz has to admit defeat IF HE LOSES!!!!
Que dramatic music, popcorn gifs, so on and so forth
Just cross platform thunderdome this thing and get it over with already
Rules: no missiles and no reviving other players. Deerber isn't allowed to reload cancel and Bunz has to admit defeat IF HE LOSES!!!!
Que dramatic music, popcorn gifs, so on and so forth
Lol. You should have been around back in the days. There were people that could actually be like that and let others have fun watching the flaming threads and bringing da poprcorns. Not like nowadays, where they can't even write properly... 
Set the rules, I'm in.Just cross platform thunderdome this thing and get it over with already
Rules: no missiles and no reviving other players. Deerber isn't allowed to reload cancel and Bunz has to admit defeat IF HE LOSES!!!!
Que dramatic music, popcorn gifs, so on and so forth
Lol. You should have been around back in the days. There were people that could actually be like that and let others have fun watching the flaming threads and bringing da poprcorns. Not like nowadays, where they can't even write properly...
Oh I was there - the first weekend challenge I ever did was operation olympus (had to dig that name out of n7 hq lol), which is more or less how long I've actually been around bsn.
It's possible that I know things that I ought not to know / 
I dunno about worst kits, but the kits I'm worst with are definitely the Shadow and Demogirl. I think I'm finally starting to get a handle on the Slayer.
This.
Look man, give it a try yourself. Have some good player from here play with you while you're playing a SS-centric shadow and he's playing whatever crap setup you can think of. He's gonna trump your killing efficiency and your score, by miles. You just need to pick the right guy to play with
That said, I do agree with the sentiment you expressed in the later paragraphs. It was the first thing I mentioned, actually, quite some posts above. I was just trying to say that, while if you compare a sniper shadow to any other sniper infiltrator you clearly see he's the worst, if you compare him to a SS-centric shadow the sniper is still more efficient at killing, and by a mile and a half.
I was just really reinforcing that "It's basically pointless to use Playstyle A on this because so many other characters do that exact thing better. Playstyle B is largely unique to this character (barring the hitting through walls thing) and is pretty much the main reason to do things this way since nothing else is quite like it. Playstyle A is effective, but why bother if other characters do it better, AND it reduces the efficiency of B, so combining the two is inefficient?" (Rather, most powerful snipers are rather heavy which makes SS chains ineffective due to needing duration to pull it off, and of course, lacking melee damage weapon mods.)
I personally run mine with Damage on rank 4 cloak and use my gun a fair bit, despite not going for sniping. Sometimes I'll even throw the Omni Blade Reegar on there just to follow up with a thunderstorm up the rump. Or the Venom with Incindiary just to stagger groups of mooks to follow up with a perfectly safe Cloaked ES (for cooldown and damage purposes) to set off the explosions (I know ES's detonate power is borked and does not work, for the record)
What I'm getting at is... Yeah, I know SS spam won't clear everything. I just think there's a better balance to be had of gunplay + powers than what you can achieve with sniping. The shadow has some neat powers that can synergize well with many weapons and there's just too many great ways to combine the two.
That went south pretty fast....
Demogirl, was one of my first char in gold, almost forgot her now...
Destroyer, like it very good DPS dealer...
I like the SS build, for a change....
Fury--> indafacetrow indafacetrow...... boom boom....
Slayer... practically never use it...
Hey, I'll add another one.
The Fury, when it's not me playing her. Good lord. I was playing today with one on my squad and there was nothing to do. I swear I could just sit in a corner and let the person playing her do all the work. oh, and revive the incompetent Volus that was playing. He was so cute though.
Every 3 seconds I had to hear the sound of Biotic Explosions. Believe me. It gets to the point where it feels like torture.
I've been unimpressed with the Demogirl. I think I will put a Krysae on her next time. When in doubt, Krysae out
Paladin for that ****** glass shattering noise every few seconds
Paladin for that ****** glass shattering noise every few seconds
But it's the sound of Reaper pain™.
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