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[HeyCal]

So as I was rewatching the Character Creation twitch demos once more, I noticed something. Each of the past games have had roughly 20 hairstyle choices per gender. However, in the demos we only have around 20 in general EDIT: with several bald/shaved styles in addition. Since now, each gender can wear the same exact hairstyles, it means we are only getting half the choices we were offered in past games. I don't recall who said it, but we were told we were getting even more options than before in terms of CC and hairstyles, but we really haven't seen that.

Now I'm being very hopeful and thinking that maybe they were using an earlier build for the demos and more hair has been added since then, because we saw some very promising pictures of early concept characters with some fantastic hair,



The hairstyles are diverse and I was really looking forward to using the braided style seen on the female dwarf, but NONE of these styles were shown on the demo and therefor don't seem to be available to us.

Why are we only getting a few styles to choose from when before we had so many more options? I'n not trying to complain, but merely asking the devs and fans a question and hopefully getting an answer. There are some styles in the CC I have seen and loved, but it just seems so limiting and I'm not sure they intentionally meant to give us only half as many as before. I do think they wanted to give us equality between the genders so we would have more freedom that way, such as men having longer hair.

This leads me to my next thought, does Bioware have any positive feelings for maybe adding more hair options in the future in some DLC? Maybe not solely hair DLC but maybe tacked on to another? I know the devs were looking into adding another Mirror of Transformation in future DLC, I think adding some various hairstyles for us to use would be a fantastic idea as well! That way, the devs would have more time to make sure they looked right and didn't clip, and the players would gain access to more variety for their Inquisitors! It might also solve the problem with the Qunari hair that everyone seems unhappy about, since more hair/horn choices could be added as well.

What do you guys think? And I know its highly unlikely, but it would be awesome for a Bioware team member to say whether this may be possible in the future? Or at least an idea they are not against?

EDIT: Added links to the CC demos we have so far for DA:I

[xyzmkrysvr]

So as I was rewatching the Character Creation twitch demos once more, I noticed something. Each of the past games have had roughly 20 hairstyle choices per gender. However, in the demos we only have around 20 in general. Since now, each gender can wear the same exact hairstyles, it means we are only getting half the choices we were offered in past games. I don't recall who said it, but we were told we were getting even more options than before in terms of CC and hairstyles, but we really haven't seen that.
 
Now I'm being very hopeful and thinking that maybe they were using an earlier build for the demos and more hair has been added since then, because we saw some very promising pictures of early concept characters with some fantastic hair, 
 

 
The hairstyles are diverse and I was really looking forward to using the braided style seen on the female dwarf, but NONE of these styles were shown on the demo and therefor don't seem to be available to us.
 
Why are we only getting a few styles to choose from when before we had so many more options? I'n not trying to complain, but merely asking the devs and fans a question and hopefully getting an answer. There are some styles in the CC I have seen and loved, but it just seems so limiting and I'm not sure they intentionally meant to give us only half as many as before. I do think they wanted to give us equality between the genders so we would have more freedom that way, such as men having longer hair.
 
This leads me to my next thought, does Bioware have any positive feelings for maybe adding more hair options in the future in some DLC? Maybe not solely hair DLC but maybe tacked on to another? I know the devs were looking into adding another Mirror of Transformation in future DLC, I think adding some various hairstyles for us to use would be a fantastic idea as well! That way, the devs would have more time to make sure they looked right and didn't clip, and the players would gain access to more variety for their Inquisitors! It might also solve the problem with the Qunari hair that everyone seems unhappy about, since more hair/horn choices could be added as well.
 
What do you guys think? And I know its highly unlikely, but it would be awesome for a Bioware team member to say whether this may be possible in the future? Or at least an idea they are not against?

Well actually the male human hairstyle from that picture *is* in the final game, but yeah, I don't remember seeing ANY of the others... And I was really looking forward to the female dwarven hairstyle, with the long braid :/

I didn't count the hairstyles from DA:O to compare them to what's in DA:I, so I'll just have to take your word for it. If it's true that we only get half as many styles than the other two games, I will be incredibly disappointed.

There's already a nearly 100 page thread complaining about the female Qunari hairstyles (they only get THREE plus a bald option).

Bioware said they would look into adding more, but "made no promises". Hopefully enough people will complain after launch that they will be forced to release a DLC with more hairstyles (and a Black Emporium style "face melter"!)

[rupok93]

Bioware has problems with hair on frostbyte, thats why all the hair looks bad. So I think these are the only ones they could do without it glitching appearance.

[xyzmkrysvr]

Bioware has problems with hair on frostbyte, thats why all the hair looks bad. So I think these are the only ones they could do without it glitching appearance.

Then why did they release those pictures of the various inquisitors? If those hairstyles aren't included in the game, that's got a be a form of false advertising... Right? I assumed those were all created with the in-game CC...

[rupok93]

Then why did they release those pictures of the various inquisitors? If those hairstyles aren't included in the game, that's got a be a form of false advertising... Right? I assumed those were all created with the in-game CC...

They probably discarded them later because they were glitching the game. I don't like it either but what can you do? Its too late now and I don't support microtransactions for sp games like additional hairstyles.

[AresKeith]

Then why did they release those pictures of the various inquisitors? If those hairstyles aren't included in the game, that's got a be a form of false advertising... Right? I assumed those were all created with the in-game CC...

 

That is NOT false advertising 

[xyzmkrysvr]

They probably discarded them later because they were glitching the game. I don't like it either but what can you do? Its too late now and I don't support microtransactions for sp games like additional hairstyles.

Just because you don't "support" DLC doesn't mean diddly squat, frankly (not trying to be rude). There are tens of thousands of people that would fork over money for more hair options, as proven by Dragon's Dogma's CC DLC. I, for one, fully expect Bioware to give us more hair options for female Qunari at the very least, if only to level the playing field. It's not fair for female Qunari to get three styles when other races get 20.

[Drasanil]

If you think that's bad, just wait for DA4 where you'll only have the option for three varying degrees of buzz-cut regardless of gender 

[xyzmkrysvr]

That is NOT false advertising

Then kindly explain what it is. Your curt posts don't really contribute much to the conversation. At the very least it is INCREDIBLY MISLEADING AND RUDE TO GET YOUR FANS' HOPES UP ABOUT HAIRSTYLES THAT WONT BE IN THE GAME

[rupok93]

Just because you don't "support" DLC doesn't mean diddly squat, frankly (not trying to be rude). There are tens of thousands of people that would fork over money for more hair options, as proven by Dragon's Dogma's CC DLC. I, for one, fully expect Bioware to give us more hair options for female Qunari at the very least, if only to level the playing field. It's not fair for female Qunari to get three styles when other races get 20.

And those people are the issue with video games today and companies milking us to death. If its a free update I am fine with it, I will not support $2 hair dlc when I bought the deluxe edition of the game.

 

EDIT:

 

Also on pc I think its possible there will be mods for these kinds of things.

[xyzmkrysvr]

And those people are the issue with video games today and companies milking us to death.

*shrugs*

Five bucks is nothing to me and I think most video games, especially the ones Bioware makes, are a wonderful investment because they provide me with hundreds of hours of entertainment.

[rupok93]

*shrugs*

Five bucks is nothing to me and I think most video games, especially the ones Bioware makes, are a wonderful investment because they provide me with hundreds of hours of entertainment.

$5 bucks here, $5 there, $10 bucks there, $7.99 over there. If you fail to see a problem with this idk what to tell you. I don't want games being sold in pieces and this is exactly what microtransactions lead to.

 

Support mods and modders if you want more of these options and not companies selling u the game in pieces.

[ManOfSteel]

Then kindly explain what it is. Your curt posts don't really contribute much to the conversation. At the very least it is INCREDIBLY MISLEADING AND RUDE TO GET YOUR FANS' HOPES UP ABOUT HAIRSTYLES THAT WONT BE IN THE GAME

The content of a game changes over the development cycle. Things are cut and/or changed as development progresses. Anything from sound assets, to character models, to entire maps and levels. There should be absolutely no guarantee that what you see in such an early stage of development is going to be in the full product. Especially something like character models and hair. Those, in particular, are subject to change.

[AresKeith]

Then kindly explain what it is. Your curt posts don't really contribute much to the conversation. At the very least it is INCREDIBLY MISLEADING AND RUDE TO GET YOUR FANS' HOPES UP ABOUT HAIRSTYLES THAT WONT BE IN THE GAME

 

Which is why many developers have stated to never take concept art or pre-alpha as definite fact to appear in game, things get cut or changed because they couldn't work or doesn't fit all the time in game development

[xyzmkrysvr]

The content of a game changes over the development cycle. Things are cut and/or changed as development progresses. Anything from sound assets, to character models, to entire maps and levels. There should be absolutely no guarantee that what you see in such an early stage of development is going to be in the full product. Especially something like character models and hair. Those, in particular, are subject to change.

Yeah except DA:I's development time was given an extra YEAR to add more stuff and then an extra MONTH to polish everything before release. If anything, one would expect there to be MORE hair options than in DA:2, which had about 1/3rd the development time. And yet the OP is pointing out that this game has about HALF of the hair styles available. Maybe you don't see that being problematic, but I find it troubling.

And I can understand if things change during the development process. I'd just appreciate it if the devs could be upfront and explain that to us. But don't release pics of your potential Inquisitors, go silent, and wait until the game launches when people find out those options aren't actually in the game. That's kinda mean. Clearly the devs are willing to engage fans when it comes to their concerns (look at Patrick Weekes veritable novel of an explanation RE: the removal of healing spells...) But when it comes to CC stuff, they don't seem to care as much about the fan's concerns (as evidenced by their responses to the thread complaining about Qunari hair)

[Mirrman70]

Yeah except DA:I's development time was given an extra YEAR to add more stuff and then an extra MONTH to polish everything before release. If anything, one would expect there to be MORE hair options than in DA:2, which had about 1/3rd the development time. And yet the OP is pointing out that this game has about HALF of the hair styles available. Maybe you don't see that being problematic, but I find it troubling.

And I can understand if things change during the development process. I'd just appreciate it if the devs could be upfront and explain that to us. But don't release pics of your potential Inquisitors, go silent, and wait until the game launches when people find out those options aren't actually in the game. That's kinda mean. Clearly the devs are willing to engage fans when it comes to their concerns (look at Patrick Weekes veritable novel of an explanation RE: the removal of healing spells...) But when it comes to CC stuff, they don't seem to care as much about the fan's concerns (as evidenced by their responses to the thread complaining about Qunari hair)

 

A: new engine that was originally designed for a FPS.

B: The decision to add more races probably cut down on the amount of possible customization options (particularly the addition of the Qunari)

C: If you see concept art, pre-alpha images and other forms of not finalized content and expect them to always be integrated into the game it is you who built yourself up only to be disappointed. at no point did they say "these complex hairstyles will for sure, 100% be in the game.

D: they have already responded to the qunari hair issue and said that they will look into it but that nothing is promised. 

[Puppy Love]

D: they have already responded to the qunari hair issue and said that they will look into it but that nothing is promised. 

My issue with that statement is that it's so half hearted looking into sounds more like, "So guys?  More hair?"  "Naw" "Well we looking into it."

 

Saying they'll look into it doesn't mean anything, and no promises means, we're not even willing to give it any real concern or effort.

 

If they promised to do their best, but failed due to some kind of restraints that'd be one thing, but they aren't even willing to do that.  If they really did care about what we want, they'd be willing to put something on the line to reassure us and take the hit if they failed.

 

All we really have is a weak little, we hear you, but may not really care on this issue, so don't get your hopes up and leave us alone.

 

Also considering Gaiders apparent hatred of the desire for hair options in game, I see major roadblocks for any of us trying to see a change here.  I feel like no matter what we do, they'll just do less in this almost to spite us.  It feels like there's a venomous dislike for people wanting more hair options in bioware.  I don't get why, is really freaking weird...

[Reznore57]

Yeah except DA:I's development time was given an extra YEAR to add more stuff and then an extra MONTH to polish everything before release. If anything, one would expect there to be MORE hair options than in DA:2, which had about 1/3rd the development time. And yet the OP is pointing out that this game has about HALF of the hair styles available. Maybe you don't see that being problematic, but I find it troubling.

 

 

In DA2 they reuse a lot of DAO hairstyle , I think both game were made with the same engine , so they could reuse some stuff.

 

Anyway I'm not too happy with the current choice of hairstyle in DAI , but it's not the end of the world ...and we should get more hairstyle in the next game .

[Panda]

24 styles. 20 styles for humans, elf and dwarves. 4 for qunaris.

 

I wouldn't say no to hair DLC although I don't have much problem what my humans and elves have at the moment.

[AresKeith]

My issue with that statement is that it's so half hearted looking into sounds more like, "So guys?  More hair?"  "Naw" "Well we looking into it."

 

Saying they'll look into it doesn't mean anything, and no promises means, we're not even willing to give it any real concern or effort.

 

If they promised to do their best, but failed due to some kind of restraints that'd be one thing, but they aren't even willing to do that.  If they really did care about what we want, they'd be willing to put something on the line to reassure us and take the hit if they failed.

 

All we really have is a weak little, we hear you, but may not really care on this issue, so don't get your hopes up and leave us alone.

 

Also considering Gaiders apparent hatred of the desire for hair options in game, I see major roadblocks for any of us trying to see a change here.  I feel like no matter what we do, they'll just do less in this almost to spite us.  It feels like there's a venomous dislike for people wanting more hair options in bioware.  I don't get why, is really freaking weird...

 

Them saying no promises mean that they might not be able to do it, because after the game launches they begin their focus on story-based DLCs and possible expansion (now they may be able to add that in with those but that also requires more time)

 

And since this has been stated alot, I'll say it again: Making hair in video games is not as easy as fan think it is

[xyzmkrysvr]

A: new engine that was originally designed for a FPS.

  

Go to 1:50:

Battlefield 4 (which came out a year ago) managed to have a hairstyle better than anything the female Qunari get and it's a FPS.

B: The decision to add more races probably cut down on the amount of possible customization options (particularly the addition of the Qunari)

  

It shouldn't work like that. When EA gave Bioware an extra year of development, in part to add Qunari as a playable race, surely Bioware's budget was increased, too, right?? Why would you add another race if it had a direct, detrimental impact on the other races (in this case, reducing the number of available hairstyles). That makes no sense. By adding Qunari, Bioware made the game more marketable and potentially more profitable. But why would they cut corners when it comes to the CC?? Not nearly as many people will want to play 100+ hours as a female Qunari when they see the ugly hairstyles available to them...

C: If you see concept art, pre-alpha images and other forms of not finalized content and expect them to always be integrated into the game it is you who built yourself up only to be disappointed. at no point did they say "these complex hairstyles will for sure, 100% be in the game.

  

Fair enough. But those images give fans a general idea of what to expect, no? It doesn't seem like a very smart marketing strategy to release *any* image that would give fans the impression they can have something that a LOT of people got excited about, like longer hairstyles, only to be like "whoops, sorry, that won't be in the final game!"

My issue with that statement is that it's so half hearted looking into sounds more like, "So guys?  More hair?"  "Naw" "Well we looking into it."
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All we really have is a weak little, we hear you, but may not really care on this issue, so don't get your hopes up and leave us alone.
 
Also considering Gaiders apparent hatred of the desire for hair options in game, I see major roadblocks for any of us trying to see a change here.  I feel like no matter what we do, they'll just do less in this almost to spite us.  It feels like there's a venomous dislike for people wanting more hair options in bioware.  I don't get why, is really freaking weird...

Gaider is probably just jealous that he's going bald. Anyway, he's just a writer... Does he have any sort of say in the hairstyles that are included in the game?

But yeah, it's just surprising to me that Bioware acts surprised that we aren't happy with the hair options available and want more... They hear the same complaints every time they release a game. You'd think they'd truly to get it right at least once.

Now, I know you can't please everyone, but all we want is a bit of variety and a good number of choices.

Giving us HALF the number of hairstyles that were in the past two games is not cool.

And giving female Qunari only THREE short, ugly hairstyles is just dumb.

[HeyCal]

Them saying no promises mean that they might not be able to do it, because after the game launches they begin their focus on story-based DLCs and possible expansion (now they may be able to add that in with those but that also requires more time)
 
And since this has been stated alot, I'll say it again: Making hair in video games is not as easy as fan think it is

It's just a shame since those 6 already had been modeled. I wonder why they decided not to use those? I don't see the shorter ones clipping honestly since they have style longer than those in the twitch demo.

[rupok93]

It's just a shame since those 6 already had been modeled. I wonder why they decided not to use those? I don't see the shorter ones clipping honestly since they have style longer than those in the twitch demo.

Can you link me to all the available hairstyles?

[BioWareM0d13]

Then why did they release those pictures of the various inquisitors? If those hairstyles aren't included in the game, that's got a be a form of false advertising... Right? I assumed those were all created with the in-game CC...

 

Probably because they thought they could fix problems with some of those designs at the time, and it just didn't work out that way down the road. Maybe the long hair braids had clipping issues, for example.

[AresKeith]

It's just a shame since those 6 already had been modeled. I wonder why they decided not to use those? I don't see the shorter ones clipping honestly since they have style longer than those in the twitch demo.

 

I'm curious about that too, especially the models not being one of the presets