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[queencousland]

In Dragon Age II, who did you choose in the end, Sebastian or Anders?

[Xilizhra]

Anders, but Sebastian was largely incidental.

[themikefest]

Sebastian. I have no reason to choose Anders

[SpiritMuse]

After two playthroughs, I deleted Sebastian from the game because I found him too disruptive in the endgame.

[Jellie13]

I've only just recently downloaded the Exiled Prince DLC, i've been attempting a romance with Sebastian but I want a rivalry romance, which is harder than it seems... 

Anders had started to get on my nerves, he's a very whiney character sometimes and at least Sebastian seems to be a bit more "stiff upper lip" if you know what I mean. He doesn't seem to be as "me me me" as Anders.
 

Thats just my personal take on the characters though, I much prefered a hardened Alistair because he was sarcastic and sweet and had a sense of duty, all nice qualities in a male character. Plus Steve Valentine has a very nice voice, I always liked his voice (I had that nagging recognition of his voice and I couldn't work it out until I realised he was also my favorite character, Nigel, in the tv show Crossing Jordan)

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Choose?? I did not even have SeaBass in my game when I first played it.

 

 

I literally choose nobody (that is, I chose [the absence of somebody]) over Anders.

[MissOuJ]

Stopped having Seb in my party after he started talking about turning the 'apostates' in my party over to the Templars. Nope you don't! At least Fenris had the courtesy to say no and tell him to take it up with Hawke if it bothers him so much.

 

So, Anders, every time. At least Anders has the courage to stand up to what he believes in and face the consequences of it. Sebastian just bails, time and time agan, when he doesn't get his way (and hires a nobody to do his dirty work for him when need be).

 

I like him as a character, but as a person he just rubs me the wrong way. Which is kinda sad because I'd like to romance him at some point, since he's right up my alley looks-wise (plus dat accent), but the priviledged prince persona just makes me want to give him a wide berth. But his gold does come in handy in Act 1...

[Dutchess]

Sebastian all the way.

[caradoc2000]

Sebastian, but that is not intentional. I just don't choose Anders and Sebastian simply comes with the deal.

[Roses]

Anders. Sebastian was annoying as hell, every single thing he did, his looks, his voice, everything.

While I cringe everytime the Chantry goes boom, I can't bring myself to kill Anders, ever. I don't agree to his methods and endangering every fellow mage around, I still love the character way too much. Besides, his killing scene looks like putting a knife into a knifeholder, and is just an emotionless. I can't stand such a pitiful end to such a wonderful character, which is why I never end his life that way.

[Lulupab]

Anders.

 

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[sylvanaerie]

It's not a matter of 'who do you choose'.  Since Sebastian is DLC, for many he may not even be in the game.  

 

As annoying as Anders is I found Sebastian to be the other side of the coin and bland to the point of....meh.  A pity, since his intro is pretty badass (and features my favorite music in the genre--the Castle Cousland theme that plays during the HN prologue in Origins), his appearance is appealing, his voice acting is nice--love the accent.  The promise of what he could have been can be glimpsed a few times in his banters/dialogues, but sadly it does little more than highlight one of the other character's interesting personality aspects.  In the above referenced dialogue about 'turning the apostates over to the templars', it is Fenris--yes, mage hating Fenris--who shoots that train of thought in the foot immediately.  Even Fenris has a line he won't cross because he respects Hawke and her feelings, making that one of my favorite lines of banter dialogue in the game.

 

I've never been able to not kill Anders in the end.  The one time I didn't kill him, I sided templars to see the confrontation in the gallows.  Sebastian had his hissy fit and stormed off and Anders left the group only to show up and confront my warrior in the Gallows where i fought him.  

 

Far less satisfying than the murderknife.

 

So, for me, it's Sebastian...but only by default.

[aclockworkrobot]

You know, now that I have thought about it I have never been on the side of Sebastian at the end of it all. I think that is largely because I do not believe what the chantry has to say, or is doing. I mean, their cause may be ‘just’ in some way or another but how they are handling the situation is more like keeping someone under lock and key and not expecting them to want freedom at some point. The chantry acts surprised when the mages rebel against them – but in all honestly, how long can you go bossing someone around (without any give or take) before they eventually say “enough is enough.”

 

I feel like the way Dragon Age 2 ended kind of threw me to begin with, wasn’t exactly what I was expecting but in the same breath (as stated before) I was not surprised to see Anders took such drastic means to make a change. I DO NOT AGREE with how Anders handled the situation, that is not at all what I am implying but because I do not agree with the way the chantry does things it is most likely the reason why I do not just toss Anders under the bus. There is also a part of me that doesn’t fully believe it was Anders, yes in the literally sense of course but I also feel like Justice (the one possessing him) played a large role in the character changes we saw in Anders compared to Awakening.

[aclockworkrobot]

That isn't the purpose of the chantry. The Chantry formed the Circles partly to PROTECT mages. Before the Circles, they were hunted without mercy. They weren't given even a small chance to contribute to society at all. They were killed on sight. The Circles were the best way they could keep mages alive and keep everyone else happy.

 

What you're asking for is to go back to that.

 

There is 'protecting' someone and then there is demanding they live exactly the way you want, when you want and being constantly under restraints. I never said I believed the CIRCLE (in itself) was a bad idea, I said the way they were going about it all the time WAS a bad idea. I feel that way, and that is the wonderful thing about the series is we are able to draw our own conclusions. Having an idea, and applying it is one thing but that doesn't mean the way you follow through afterwards is going to be seen as excellent in the eyes of everyone else.

I did state that I feel the chantry is 'just' in some sense of the word. Regardless, I do not feel as though their application of power was the correct way of handling the situation and in the end I believe that power went to some peoples heads.

[sylvanaerie]

You know, now that I have thought about it I have never been on the side of Sebastian at the end of it all. I think that is largely because I do not believe what the chantry has to say, or is doing. I mean, their cause may be ‘just’ in some way or another but how they are handling the situation is more like keeping someone under lock and key and not expecting them to want freedom at some point. The chantry acts surprised when the mages rebel against them – but in all honestly, how long can you go bossing someone around (without any give or take) before they eventually say “enough is enough.”

 

I feel like the way Dragon Age 2 ended kind of threw me to begin with, wasn’t exactly what I was expecting but in the same breath (as stated before) I was not surprised to see Anders took such drastic means to make a change. I do not AGREE with how Anders handled the situation, that is not at all what I am implying but because I do not agree with the way the chantry does things it is most likely the reason why I do not just toss Anders under the bus. There is also a part of me that doesn’t fully believe it was Anders, yes in the literally sense of course but I also feel like Justice (the one possessing him) played a large role in the character changes we saw in Anders compared to Awakening.

This is why in 12 full runs I sided with the mages in all but 2 (for cutscene viewing purposes).  I still felt Anders deserved to die for doing what he did--his action killed not just the hundreds in and around the chantry in Kirkwall, but thousands more in the circles around Thedas, innocents all over the known Thedas world who would eventually be hunted down and slaughtered without even the small hope of a circle to go to for protection/training, and uncounted others who would be caught in the crossfire between templars and mages who have nothing to do with the conflict.  

 

I support mages, not Anders, but then, considering he just wanted Hawke to support the mages, in a sort of backhanded way, I guess I am supporting him as well.

[Lulupab]

The whole thing with ‘If you’re not with us you’re against us’ it may have seen that way with Anders, but what about the Chantry? The Chantry did nothing as the templars ran mages into the ground and mages are already branded as criminals and dangerous the moment they are born. Isn’t it only obvious that some will resort to blood magic or a hate everything the chantry stands for?

[Brujah Inside]

I think that both of them have their own personal reasons to not give up with this whole massive thing about templar and mages. It's not just "we are fighting for something bigger" but also "I'm fighting for what they have done to me, to my family, to my life". I think that Anders and Sebastian are very deep char for this reason: they are human, approching a matter so big, with the strenght that can have just someone who have lost something so so so big, like thei own past and future.


By the way, Anders for all my lives.
So touching that makes me cry like a fangirl.... which i am xD

[MissOuJ]

It's not the Chantry's fault as a whole. It's the failure of the Seekers.

 

At least that's my opinion. They were meant to prevent crap like this from happening. And failed.

 

Take it up with Cassandra.

 

edit: To be fair, Anders probably didn't even know the Seekers existed. Maybe that's why he focused on the Chantry so much.

 

Kinda yes and no.

 

Seekers would be analoguos to internal investigators: it's their jurisdiction but if no one reports it, they can't really deal with it. And in the beginnig of Faith Elthina explicitly tells Hawke and Sebastian to tell Sister Nightingale (ie. Leliana ie. an agent of the Divine herself, who the Seekers report to) that the things in Kirkwall are not as bad as they seem. Elthina, who knew how bad the things were between Orsino and Meredith, and who knew there was no Viscount on the throne to balance the situation, and who was aware of Alrik's proposition deliberatedly downplayed how bad the situation had gotten. The Templar Order is under the jurisdiction of the Chantry - in the absence of the Seekers, Elthina was the one responsible for Meredith and the Templars in general. Either she was completely blind and senile (which I doubt), or... she was playing politics with the new Divine (who had just come to power the year the Qunari rebelled in Kirkwall).

 

But either way: it was Elthina's job to deal with the Templars, and if she was unable, to refer the matter to the Seekers / the Divine. For whatever reason, she refused to do either. So yes, it is Elthina's fault at least. Whether that implicates the whole Chantry (as an institution) is a matter of perspective IMO, but I think it at least makes it clear there are huge problems within it.

[Xilizhra]

The Chantry is guilty for everything they never did to rein in the templars.

[Entertainer13]

On my first playthrough, I was ready to kill Anders. However, my rogue Hawke was a puppy when it came to Merrill, so when she suggested making him help to atone, I changed my mind. I've only killed Anders off if I thought my Hawke would, which when its not in romance or fiercely anti-Templar, is roughly half.