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[WarriorOfLight999]

What's interesting about Sebastian, is that I think the developers said "What if we made the Cousland Origin an NPC?"

 

Enter the Vael family, betrayed and murdered by the Harimanns, down to the last child, their land of Starkhaven now firmly in the hands of a Harimann puppeteer. Sound familiar?

 

To make it relevant to the plot, Sebastian is pro chantry, but not exactly a zealot. And he's trying to decide to pursue his bloodline, or hold fast to his convictions. Of course, my Cousland Queen would tell him to get off his holy arse and go rule Starkhaven, but that's just me.

 

Anyway, digressions aside, I always kill Anders, and put Sebastian on the throne of Starkhaven. Avenge one city, and help to save another.

[Dabrikishaw]

Anders.

[TheMadHarridan]

Whoa, you can have Anders side with the Templars at the end and not turn on you??? He always confronts my Hawke and must kill him. How the heck to you get him to side with you at the end on the Templar play through???

Yep. He will side with the Templars if you ask him to as long as you have 100% friendship or 100% rivalry, and you have completed all of his quests. However, he talks about possibly committing suicide after the battle, and he gives you this depressing goodbye kiss if you romanced him. Not exactly a "happy" ending, but that is to be expected.

[MissOuJ]

OK, you have a good point there. I forgot about her fears with the Sebastian quest.

 

I still think the Seekers lost sight of their duty though. I'm not just talking about Kirkwall. I'm talking about all of the abuses Anders thinks about worldwide. It's the Seekers' job to crack down on that, and they didn't. And we see in Asunder how quickly Lambert chose the Templar side. He didn't even care about being a Seeker it seems. He acted like just another Templar.

 

Oh, I agree with you there 100%. From the information we've gotten it seems that the Seekers have been resting on their laurers ... or, possibly, that they have been too busy with the new Divine's business elsewhere. It also seems like there are some internal conflicts within it (not everyone seems to be a big fan of the new Divine, like Lambert, as you mentioned). I actually really hope we can ask Cassandra what the Seekers have been up to during the last 15+ years in DA:I.

 

I was just pointing out that in the case of Kirkwall, some effort to involve the Divine and (possibly) the Seekers was made, but it failed not because the Seekers decided to do nothing or because they failed to do their duty; it failed because the highest Chantry official in Kirkwall all but sabotaged the investigation., or at least spun the truth pretty heavy-handedly.

[congokong]

Logically I'd probably choose Sebastian. In my canon/swan song playthrough I chose Anders since my aggressive Hawke was very "pro-mage at any cost" although she wasn't keen on going the extra mile herself.

[NoForgiveness]

I don't have a problem with Sebastian. But when forced to choose, it has to be Anders. For one, I do agree with him in the way it's presented to Hawke. Two, I don't think Anders should get to die. I think he should be dragged along and forced to finish what he started.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think there's any way to finish it.. not with Hawke at least. 

 

Which is partly why I want to kill him. I'd hate to be dragged into it in this way. It's not just execution for what he did, but possibly murder on my part as well... murder out of sheer resentment. 

 

And maybe resentment at the whole story as well. Not just Anders. lol. Hawke can't seem to make a decent life for him/herself without some lunatic getting in the way.

I wouldn't want to make a life for myself at the expense of involvement in something greater.

[Xilizhra]

Good for you.

 

I admit it's a flaw in my personality. I do things in my own time/my own way. I hate being coerced or forced. Or thrown into crisis. 

 

I'll meet the challenge of a crisis. I'll act and do what I can. I just hate it. And if someone I know caused it, I'll probably beat the hell out of them if I can.

There is, however, a way to finish the crisis in Kirkwall with Hawke, when one can bring the templars down.

[Xilizhra]

That is nothing. It's a clusterfuck. Pardon my French. 

 

And it's just the beginning. We're at the point in DAI now because of this war. At least I suspect. 

And I see no reason to kill someone who could help us resolve this crisis. Call it a qunari mindset.

[Xilizhra]

Who? Anders?

 

Yeah, I doubt that. We'll see. You can keep him alive, and maybe you'll luck out. I don't know why he'd want to resolve anything though, seeing as he was so uncompromising before. 

Oh, we both have the same end in mind for resolution: destroy the Templar Order (and kick the demons and Cor--er, the Elder One off the planet, of course).

[Xilizhra]

That's not resolving then. lol. 

 

That's just winning. Good luck.

If it ends the problem, wouldn't it be for the best?

[Xilizhra]

I don't think so. I think the Templars have a place in the world. And Circles. 

 

I only want mages to have more autonomy within the system. And some freedom. I haven't played DAI obviously, but I bet I'm going to like Vivienne.

Perhaps something like the templars, but the current Templar Order cannot be allowed to survive.

[SpiritMuse]

I wish I could have slapped Sebastian in the face and asked him if his beloved Grand Cleric would really want him to start a war in her name.

[Quingy]

I want nothing more than an option to kill EITHER Sebastian or Anders. I would never let someone threaten me the way Sebastian does and then just walk away. I generally side with Anders, because I think Sebastian is a spineless tool, but that threat made him suicidal. Any one else threatens to burn Kirkwall down, Hawke ends them. That's that. I would have shot him in the back, or thrown the pathetic knife you stab Anders with.

[Hazegurl]

Sebastian was not spineless. It would have been foolish to fight Hawke with all his ride or die friends standing right there. Better to talk crap and make an exit. I can't blame the guy. He obviously cared very much for the grand Cleric and deserves to mouth off about letting her murderer run loose. Besides, I can't see how anyone who let's Anders live would even care about happens to Kirkwall. If you're gonna let someone blow it up you might well let another burn it down. IMO.

 

As for the Op's question. Let's see, a demon possessed lunatic with paranoid delusions of persecution everywhere vs A Chant of light thumper. I think I'll take my chances with the Chantry thumper. But then again perhaps I judge Anders a bit more harshly because my Cousland Warden never recruits Justice in my canon story because the spirit already tells two lies before you get to decide on recruiting him. The way I see it if a non mage can sense something off and send him on his way (really wanted to kill him) then a mage should have known better.

[congokong]

 

But then again perhaps I judge Anders a bit more harshly because my Cousland Warden never recruits Justice in my canon story because the spirit already tells two lies before you get to decide on recruiting him. The way I see it if a non mage can sense something off and send him on his way (really wanted to kill him) then a mage should have known better.

When did Justice lie?

 

Just curious, but who did you not recruit in DA:O and Awakening. In my canon story Zevran, Sten, and Velanna were all out for obvious reasons.

[Xilizhra]

Sebastian was not spineless. It would have been foolish to fight Hawke with all his ride or die friends standing right there. Better to talk crap and make an exit. I can't blame the guy. He obviously cared very much for the grand Cleric and deserves to mouth off about letting her murderer run loose. Besides, I can't see how anyone who let's Anders live would even care about happens to Kirkwall. If you're gonna let someone blow it up you might well let another burn it down. IMO.

 

As for the Op's question. Let's see, a demon possessed lunatic with paranoid delusions of persecution everywhere vs A Chant of light thumper. I think I'll take my chances with the Chantry thumper. But then again perhaps I judge Anders a bit more harshly because my Cousland Warden never recruits Justice in my canon story because the spirit already tells two lies before you get to decide on recruiting him. The way I see it if a non mage can sense something off and send him on his way (really wanted to kill him) then a mage should have known better.

I didn't let Anders blow it up, that happened outside my volition. I wish I could take Sebastian's declaration of war less lightly.