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[Hazegurl]

When did Justice lie?

 

Just curious, but who did you not recruit in DA:O and Awakening. In my canon story Zevran, Sten, and Velanna were all out for obvious reasons.

When you talk to him in the Black marsh after he possesses Kristoff's corpse.  He states that he doesn't know what will happen if you kill the body (if you tell him you can just kill it for him) then, if you keep probing further he states that he will die and doesn't want to. He goes from not knowing to knowing in zero to sixty. Then he repeats that only demons desire to live outside the fade and that his kind would not seek it, yet that contradicts Wynne's agreement with a similar spirit. So he lies three times actually. I send him on his merry way.

 

In DAO, in my canon run I'll usually recruit everyone except Wynne and Shale, only because my canon Warden agrees with Morrigan and enjoys wiping out the Circle with her. Fun times! lol! I recruit Zevran for sport. My Warden wanted to see if he would try to kill him again and of course he dies when he does, then I strip him naked. I kill Leliana after poisoning the ashes...oops she manages to survive although the ashes are tainted. *face palm* Alistair meets the axe. Yeah my Warden and Morrigan had an awesome time.

 

In Awakening I usually recruit all but Justice and Valenna. I recruited her once or twice before and she makes me want to punch her in the mouth.

 

@Xil, true there was nothing Hawke could do about Anders sadly. But he(Anders) already declared war on Kirkwall long before Sebastian. If you're gonna let terrorists blow up your city and walk away freely then why wish ultimate vengeance on another for essentially the same mindset? Either way, you're not protecting Kirkwall, you're protecting your friend cause you can still kill Anders and fight for the mages.

[Xilizhra]

@Xil, true there was nothing Hawke could do about Anders sadly. But he(Anders) already declared war on Kirkwall long before Sebastian. If you're gonna let terrorists blow up your city and walk away freely then why wish ultimate vengeance on another for essentially the same mindset? Either way, you're not protecting Kirkwall, you're protecting your friend cause you can still kill Anders and fight for the mages.

Anders is no further threat to Kirkwall; there's no way he'd be able to stay in the city. Since I can't undo Anders' actions, I see nothing wrong with bringing him along to help. As for Sebastian... well, he's pretty much adrift, so I suppose I don't have to worry about him too much.

[rubynorman]

Sebastian always. Anders kills hundreds of people and deserves to die. If you keep him alive to atone for his crime, are you sure he will do so or he'll just jump on the 1st chance to defend the mage even if they do bad stuff, and be happy to kill more templars. He can't even control Justice sometimes and there is no way I trust him after what happened. On the other hand, Sebastian just wants revenge and justice for the people that died, including the grand cleric who he looks up to as a mother. I'd do so if I were him. There is no way I'd stand in the same team with someone who kills my beloved.

[Hazegurl]

Anders is no further threat to Kirkwall; there's no way he'd be able to stay in the city. Since I can't undo Anders' actions, I see nothing wrong with bringing him along to help. As for Sebastian... well, he's pretty much adrift, so I suppose I don't have to worry about him too much.

He's no further threat in my story cause I murder knife him whether I choose the Mages or Templars. If Hawke couldn't control his actions before the bombing what makes you think s/he can control his actions afterwards? The way I see it, Anders kept warning Hawke that he's too much of a danger to have around, so why not believe him after he proves his warnings to be true? Not to mention the fact that we saw evidence that he has issues recognizing friend from foe in the Dissent quest. There is no telling when he'll turn on Hawke in the future.  I wish the game didn't pigeon hole me into not turning him in once I caught on to his phony potion ritual. *sigh*

[Xilizhra]

Sebastian always. Anders kills hundreds of people and deserves to die. If you keep him alive to atone for his crime, are you sure he will do so or he'll just jump on the 1st chance to defend the mage even if they do bad stuff, and be happy to kill more templars. He can't even control Justice sometimes and there is no way I trust him after what happened. On the other hand, Sebastian just wants revenge and justice for the people that died, including the grand cleric who he looks up to as a mother. I'd do so if I were him. There is no way I'd stand in the same team with someone who kills my beloved.

He has no reason to blow up other buildings, so eh.

 

 

He's no further threat in my story cause I murder knife him whether I choose the Mages or Templars. If Hawke couldn't control his actions before the bombing what makes you think s/he can control his actions afterwards? The way I see it, Anders kept warning Hawke that he's too much of a danger to have around, so why not believe him after he proves his warnings to be true? Not to mention the fact that we saw evidence that he has issues recognizing friend from foe in the Dissent quest. There is no telling when he'll turn on Hawke in the future.  I wish the game didn't pigeon hole me into not turning him in once I caught on to his phony potion ritual. *sigh*

Because I never saw him as a true danger. And still don't.

[Iakus]

In Dragon Age II, who did you choose in the end, Sebastian or Anders?

Sebastian.

 

He's the only one smart enough to point out that Anders was the one who blew up the Chantry, not the Circle.

[Sir DeLoria]

Anders Sebastian.

Sebastian Anders was annoying as hell, every single thing he did, his looks, his voice, everything.

This.

Sebastian, is one of my favorite companions in DA2 and Anders is one of my most disliked characters in the franchise, so it's not even really a choice for me.

[Lulupab]

This.

Sebastian, is one of my favorite companions in DA2 and Anders is one of my most disliked characters in the franchise, so it's not even really a choice for me.

 

Anders' character design and voice actor (Adam Howden!) are much more attractive though, I know its subjective in the end but Anders has what it takes to charm and he is the hopeless romantic of the game, using the L word often whereas other LI's either use it once or not at all.

[Sir DeLoria]

Anders' character design and voice actor (Adam Howden!) are much more attractive though, I know its subjective in the end but Anders has what it takes to charm and he is the hopeless romantic of the game, using L word often.

I dunno, I find Anders' voice incredibly annoying and I can't stand the ponytail.

To me he lacks any and all charm, even though I usually adore romantic characters.

[Hazegurl]

Because I never saw him as a true danger. And still don't.

Flemeth to Merril: "No path is darker than when your eyes are shut." Seems befitting to any Hawke who lets Anders live.  But oh well.

[Xilizhra]

Flemeth to Merril: "No path is darker than when your eyes are shut." Seems befitting to any Hawke who lets Anders live.  But oh well.

I'm not going to kill a friend based on someone else's demand like that.

[thats1evildude]

Sebastian. Hardly a contest, really.

 

Merrill uses the L word at least three times that I can recall. (Once after the initial sex scene, once during a dialogue with Aveline and once during the final confrontation.) Plus, "ma vhenan" translates to "my love."

[Lulupab]

Sebastian. Hardly a contest, really.

 

Merrill uses the L word at least three times that I can recall. (Once after the initial sex scene, once during a dialogue with Aveline and once during the final confrontation.) Plus, "ma vhenan" translates to "my love."

 

L word was mere example. Anders uses many romantic lines that's lacking from most characters and for good reason, they have implemented the 4 common love interest comcepts

 

The naive and virgin, the damaged, the hopeless romantic and Isabela (her name explains everything)

[Inanna Athanasia]

 I know I have done this because I was so surprised it had happened. The look on Meredith's face when he is fighting with you is kinda priceless. I thought it was just full rivalry or friendship but if you didn't get it to work that is a little odd. It might have something to do with the dialogue after he blows the cathedral.  

 

Its full rivalry, as I just finished it. I actually like some of the convo's with the Rivalry romance better. I also liked the kiss me I love you at the Gallows then the speech about those after you who love a mage a lot better too.

 

 

Going back and playing again also reminded me how much I love Anders. I loved his over the top personality in Awakening and while he is more serious in DA2 (although him and putting kitten into everything is a hoot...kitten marsh, nope) I will not only keep him alive for DA I, but I so hope we will get to see him again too. He is one of my favorite characters in all of the games. While Sebastian is an okay character and fliriting with a female Hawke is funny, he doesn't hold a candle to Anders for me.

[Inanna Athanasia]

Reading thorugh a bunch of these made me think more on the whole Anders vs Sebastian arguement. While I understand his motives, Sebastian has you kill off a bunch of mercs because his family was killed then has you go with him with the intent to kill off another family due to the murder of his and everyone is ok with that. Anders never wants the circle destroyed because he lost his family, he wants it because of hundreds who loose families or who are killed just because they are magical. Why is it OK to kill people over your family murder, but to want to destroy something that has killed off millions is wrong?

 

Even characters like Cullen transforms his views on Mages. In Origins he wants every Mage in the tower dead, no questions asked. But in DA 2, especially by the end, he sees it is not OK to kill Mages just because they are Mages. Anders is fighting for more then just his hurt when he was in the circle and so forth, he wants to change life for a lot of Mages who are abused or killed just because a religion says its OK to do so. Sebastian is to petty for me. It is all about his pain, his loss and no one else matters. But again, I like Anders, so just like the characters in the game, I am bias,lol

[Lord Raijin]

Sebastian is a terrible character. An absolute terrible at best. I just got tired of his preaching about the chantry, and how Elthina could do no wrong when in fact shes largely responsible for what happen between the Templar's and the mages. The fact that she allowed this rapid deterioration to go on risking the lives of so many.

 

Sebastian truly lost my respect when he started threatening me of sending an army of soldiers to attack Kirkwall if I don't murder knife Anders. He is the lowest common denominator and hes a tyrant.

 

I will always support the mages and I even go as far as to support Anders for what he did. Meredith wanted war and she got it. the Mages can only put up with Meridith's crap for so long until they start fighting for what they believe in, and for freedom. Elthina apparently approved of this conduct considering the fact that she did nothing to stop it.

 

#Team Anders

[TEWR]

In Dragon Age II, who did you choose in the end, Sebastian or Anders?

 

Sebastian. Always Sebastian.

 

Even if I agree with Anders' sentiments and don't fully condemn his actions (there's a divide between approve and condemn for me) I still think his death is necessary.

[ummiehummie]

Anders. But I like Sebastian, because he's actually a nice guy.

That being said, I always wanted him to go back to Starkhaven and be prince, more the reason to choose Anders. Hope he will return in DA:I.

[Leliana]

I'm currently only on my second playthrough of DA2, chose Anders on my first and honestly Seb just pissed me off when he threatened to attack Kirkwall if I don't kill Anders. If you're pro-Chantry or pro-Templar then you should see that Seb's mentality is just wrong, ever since the start when the grand cleric tells him that his request is murder, demanding the death of Anders is also murder. Regardless of what crimes Anders committed he should be punished accordingly not cut down (by someone who doesn't even have the authority or right).

[Ferretinabun]

I'm currently only on my second playthrough of DA2, chose Anders on my first and honestly Seb just pissed me off when he threatened to attack Kirkwall if I don't kill Anders. If you're pro-Chantry or pro-Templar then you should see that Seb's mentality is just wrong, ever since the start when the grand cleric tells him that his request is murder, demanding the death of Anders is also murder. Regardless of what crimes Anders committed he should be punished accordingly not cut down (by someone who doesn't even have the authority or right).

 

Actually yes. This!

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Anders supporter over the Chantry thing. He was completely wrong and deserves punishment - probably a death sentence. But Sebastian was out of line there too. I can understand him holding a grudge against Anders and you personally if you let him go, but he explicitly threatens a full-on war over this? That's out of line considering Hawke doesn't actually have any legal right to 'execute' Anders. It IS murder, no matter how you paint it. Sebastian clearly views his personal crusades as above the law.

 

Perhaps he really wouldn't make such a good King after all.

[Leliana]

What's funny is that both Sebastian and Anders believe that they're not defying the Maker, whereas the Chantry would outright denounce both of them. Saying that Sebastian is overstepping his boundaries would be an understatement, and Anders on top of being an apostate blew up the Kirkwall Chantry (which is one of the things that make me feel bad for Anders because his intended purpose wasn't a war.)

[Obadiah]

This is my 2nd time playing DA2, and the first time with Seb. Didn't even know there was choice! Hope its a good one.

[Hair Serious Business]

Depends...do you want to do what is right or do you just want to p*ss off Sebastian like me xD?

 

Spoiler

In "Dragon Age Inquisition" if you chose to spare Anders Sebastian will do as he promised,he will go on murder rampage around Kirkwall.

[Lord Raijin]

Depends...do you want to do what is right or do you just want to p*ss off Sebastian like me xD?

 

Spoiler

In "Dragon Age Inquisition" if you chose to spare Anders Sebastian will do as he promised,he will go on murder rampage around Kirkwall.

 

That's why Sebastian makes a bad ruler. Hes a tyrant.

[sylvanaerie]

Depends...do you want to do what is right or do you just want to p*ss off Sebastian like me xD?

 

Spoiler

In "Dragon Age Inquisition" if you chose to spare Anders Sebastian will do as he promised,he will go on murder rampage around Kirkwall.

 

If this is true, then I'm glad i killed Anders in all but my 'totally screwed up world state' for Inquisition.