That's why Sebastian makes a bad ruler. Hes a tyrant.
He's impulsive and emotional and doesn't know what he wants, but I wouldn't say he's a bad ruler.
Frankly, I can't reconcile Sebastian's threat with Sebastian himself. It seemed far too much like bluster to me. Certainly not something Elthina would condone, much as I hate the old woman for her ineptitude.
Anders.
Not because I believe Anders was right, necessarily in what he did, but because he's still more interesting than Pretty Boy McChantry, and more interesting results (hopefully) come from letting him live. Is "interest" a good sorting mechanism for solving moral problems? Not really, but in videogames it tends to keep things more fun.
First time I played without the DLC and Anders lived because he was Hawke's LI and I was blind to what he had done. The fist time I played with Sebastian, Anders was again my LI but I killed him anyway after listening to Sebastian's horror at losing Elthina after his entire family had already been murdered. Last night I completed the playthrough I'm going to import into DAI and I let Anders live because I don't believe in capital punishment and this Hawke makes the decisions I would make. I just told him to get out of my sight and suddenly he showed up before the final battle asking to join the party and I told him to get lost again. The nerve.
I'm pro mage and everything and yes a war was probably inevitable but Anders is a terrorist making out he's a freedom fighter. I'm also against organised religion but Sebastian never came across as a zealot, just a bit preachy.
Anyway in the end I lost them both as friends.
50/50. Depends on what type of Hawke I play. Some adore Anders, some are great friends with Sebastian.))
Anders is certainly more interesting, and I'm almost inclined to agree with his cause.
He's impulsive and emotional and doesn't know what he wants, but I wouldn't say he's a bad ruler.
Frankly, I can't reconcile Sebastian's threat with Sebastian himself. It seemed far too much like bluster to me. Certainly not something Elthina would condone, much as I hate the old woman for her ineptitude.
He would be a bad ruler from his impulsive and emotional nature. He risk an all out war against the people of Kirkwall over the decision of 1 person not executing the person who is at fault of blowing up the Chantry.
Like what Wynne said in her dialogue...
This is Sebastian mentality all over it. Sebastian doesn't truly care for his people, and he doesn't want to improve things.. He seeks the throne so that he can gain access to an army to which he would most definitely abuse for his own personal vengeance.
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Even though I don't like Anders, I'm very torn on who my favorite "canon" Hawke should be. A male with Izzy or a female with Anders...who kills him. I don't mean that out of malice. It's just delightfully tragic. Like an MCR song. Or maybe Johnny Cash.
edit: My bad.. I thought this was the "Who do you love?" thread.
He would be a bad ruler from his impulsive and emotional nature. He risk an all out war against the people of Kirkwall over the decision of 1 person not executing the person who is at fault of blowing up the Chantry.
This is Sebastian mentality all over it. Sebastian doesn't truly care for his people, and he doesn't want to improve things.. He seeks the throne so that he can gain access to an army to which he would most definitely abuse for his own personal vengeance.
Not my interpretation of the character at all. He agonizes for years over going back and stirring up trouble for his people to reclaim a throne he isn't sure he should be sitting on. Hardly the thought process of a man who "seeks the throne so he can gain access to an army for personal vengeance". You are pinning your interpretation on a single snippet of dialogue spoken in a moment of anger, a decided bias toward Anders, and forgetting the wishy washyness of the character's stance the entire game.
He's understandably angry at that moment because you just let a man who murdered someone he loved walk off scot free. I mean, think about it. If someone you personally loved was just callously murdered would you be all 'whatever' about it? Seriously?
Sebastian never relied on an army to murder his enemies. He used Hawke to do so, dealt with his problems on a personal level the entire game.
Although, given his mindset throughout the game, I could see him going back to Starkhaven, siezing his throne and using the army to level Kirkwall. I can definitely see that happening. When pushed, people can do crazy things you never expect them to.
But saying he never cared about his people and only wanted to be king for his own personal vengeance--in the confines of DA2, still unsure what he will do in Inquisition--is stretching it, and frankly adding a level of undeserved interesting to a character I found mostly bland and uninteresting.
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I think Sebastian's only fault is that he's a dork.
I think I've said that before, but whatever. It's no reason for me to hate him. Be annoyed, yes.
Not my interpretation of the character at all. He agonizes for years over going back and stirring up trouble for his people to reclaim a throne he isn't sure he should be sitting on. Hardly the thought process of a man who "seeks the throne so he can gain access to an army for personal vengeance". You are pinning your interpretation on a single snippet of dialogue spoken in a moment of anger, a decided bias toward Anders, and forgetting the wishy washyness of the character's stance the entire game.
He's understandably angry at that moment because you just let a man who murdered someone he loved walk off scot free. I mean, think about it. If someone you personally loved was just callously murdered would you be all 'whatever' about it? Seriously?
Sebastian never relied on an army to murder his enemies. He used Hawke to do so, dealt with his problems on a personal level the entire game.
Although, given his mindset throughout the game, I could see him going back to Starkhaven, siezing his throne and using the army to level Kirkwall. I can definitely see that happening. When pushed, people can do crazy things you never expect them to.
But saying he never cared about his people and only wanted to be king for his own personal vengeance--in the confines of DA2, still unsure what he will do in Inquisition--is stretching it, and frankly adding a level of undeserved interesting to a character I found mostly bland and uninteresting.
You can't truly love someone if you point a loaded weapon at them.. Yes. At the beginning of his arc shows him wielding a large fully loaded bow, and pointing it straight at the Grand Cleric. You can see it in his eyes the hostility. Wanting to seek revenge for the murders of his family. Elthina tries to calm the situation down, but it is not working. She holds the wanted sign, and telling him that what hes doing is advocating murder... and Bang! This unable man loses it and fires his large bow nearly missing her by a mere inch. The arrow pierced through the paper that Elthina was holding, and attached back to the chantries board. Even Elthina was shockly surprised by his action. He is truly disturbed. I'm surprised to see that non of the guards near the chantry attacked him for an attempt of assassination of the Grand Cleric.
And people call Anders crazy and mentally unstable.
You can't truly love someone if you point a loaded weapon at them.. Yes. At the beginning of his arc shows him wielding a large fully loaded bow, and pointing it straight at the Grand Cleric. You can see it in his eyes the hostility. Wanting to seek revenge for the murders of his family. Elthina tries to calm the situation down, but it is not working. She holds the wanted sign, and telling him that what hes doing is advocating murder... and Bang! This unable man loses it and fires his large bow nearly missing her by a mere inch. The arrow pierced through the paper that Elthina was holding, and attached back to the chantries board. Even Elthina was shockly surprised by his action. He is truly disturbed. I'm surprised to see that non of the guards near the chantry attacked him for an attempt of assassination of the Grand Cleric.
And people call Anders crazy and mentally unstable.
He isn't pointing it at her, he's pointing it at the missive he just posted.
You have your perception of Sebstian, which attributes to him a lot more depth and characterization than I think the character possesses. And you have a decided slant toward Anders, who was your LI. I get it. You want to believe in the character you prefer so you head canon a lot of stuff that makes the antagonistic character less desirable. When the truth is, Sebastian's biggest flaw is he's simply very boring.
As far as I'm concerned both are the bottom rung of a list of mostly (aside from Varric, and possibly Aveline) forgettable companions. Anders is crazy and mentally unstable, but then so are most of the other companions anyway. He's certainly not alone in that respect.
After two playthroughs, I deleted Sebastian from the game because I found him too disruptive in the endgame.
How?
Assuming you actually aren't pre-disposed to sparing a man for murdering a bunch of innocents.
and he also constantly tries to get Fenris to come back to the Chantry and be devoted to it again even after Fenris tells him to stop.
Fenris enjoys his conversations with Sebastian about religion and eventually starts going, Sebastian is the Companion Fenris is closest to after Isabella.
Speaking as a Mage player, I always kill Anders now.
I will not become a monster the Chantry proclaims me to be.
And I will show individuals like Sebastian why we deserve to be free.
How?
Assuming you actually aren't pre-disposed to sparing a man for murdering a bunch of innocents.
I thought his additional shots were implemented badly and disrupted the flow of the scene. His "big no" moment was extremely narmy, and for the rest he just has a bunch of random comments that no one else reacts to.
And yes I am a total monster who eats babies for breakfast in real life just because I spared the life of one character in a story. *sigh*
It's fiction. I know that.
What I'm saying is Sebastian puts a "face" on the victims of the Chantry. That the people Alistair killed aren't a bunch of statistics but family, friends, and loved ones of people in Kirkwall.
In Sebastian's case, a kid-brother figure.
I'm sorry, it's just tiresome that so many people seem to imply that players are horrible immoral monsters just because they had a character keep Anders alive.It's fiction. I know that.
What I'm saying is Sebastian puts a "face" on the victims of the Chantry. That the people Alistair killed aren't a bunch of statistics but family, friends, and loved ones of people in Kirkwall.
In Sebastian's case, a kid-brother figure.
Sebastian makes a great entrance, but then.... I have my sister to think about. And you know what they say about blood being thicker than ....
Sorry Sebastian, but she's a mage, and I don't agree with you. Besides, you don't have a sense of humor. The only one who does seems to be Varric. Too bad I can't strike up a romance there. I'm sure he'd be a lot of fun in the sack.
So in the end, Sebastian goes and stomps off and threatens to send assassins after my Hawke for allowing Anders to live. The Chantry needed some shaking up. And Hawke goes off to sea with her friend Isabel. Yo ho! Yo ho! A pirate's life for me!
Sorry Sebastian, but she's a mage, and I don't agree with you. Besides, you don't have a sense of humor. The only one who does seems to be Varric. Too bad I can't strike up a romance there. I'm sure he'd be a lot of fun in the sack.
Sebastian and Bethany are probably married in dead Anders world.
Anders why? Its a game at the end of the day i was on nightmare and need a healer.
Sebastian is not really that unique he does nothing better than varric and is pointless to story and game.
Anders why? Its a game at the end of the day i was on nightmare and need a healer.
Anders all the way. He is a good friend to Hawke. Whilst he acts in an underhanded manner and does a terrible thing, he does not run away. He accepts what he has done and sticks with you - whatever you decide.
Sebastian on the other hand, is the opposite. He displays his true colours remarkably quickly.
Anders. I didn't bother with the Exiled Prince download. Seeing how it looked in online clips, Sebastian is shoehorned in so that he looks like he has bad personal space issues. That coupled with him throwing a fit and threatening Kirkwall if Anders isn't killed, the city that really had nothing to do with him, he wasn't an elected official or even born there, it was too much. I'll keep flawed Anders, although there were some cool things about Sebastian, and some fun banter, it wasn't worth it.
One is a mass murdering whiny little Sh**.
The other Is a total bro, who provides Fenris with some much needed faith.
Gonna go with Sebastian.
Anders never survives in my games to begin with.
Although I do tend to agree that Sebastian was stuffed into the game in a way that just didn't seem to fit quite right (Unlike Shale which really did seem to fit into the game flow.) by the time that Anders blew the Chantry he wasn't really Anders anymore and putting him out of his misery was probably the right thing to do, even for a "Team Mage" Hawke.
So even if Sebastian wasn't throwing an admittedly justified fit ala Alistair ... Anders needed to be stopped and Hawke was very possibly the only one who the Abomination would let close enough to do the deed peacefully.
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