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[AlexiaRevan]

1) Yes he asks you to HELP him with the murder, and when he finds out who it was it made things a lot more complicated. Not to mention if he did go and outright murder someone he would be going against his vows and the Reverred Mother wouldn't have let him back into the Chantry. 

 

2) He did his best to look after the Mother, but it was her own fault for not leaving even after she had been warned. Not to mention Anders' attack took everyone by surprise.

 

3) I feel like this only happened because Sebastian was DLC. they couldn't have gone and remade the whole ending just because. Plus Anders was kind of Hawke's responsibility, and thus Hawke's choice. He was saying "well you can kill him and serve justice, but if you don't deal with this guy who just murdered a bunch of people i'm going to come back to bring justice"

 

4) As being a brother of the Chantry why wouldn't he pray...it's part of his religion. 

1- Asking someone to murder for him , the 'Sin' is on him anyway . And he already went against his Vow by hiring Hawke . The Intro cutscene , the Mother tell him not to do it . 

 

2- what did he Do ? If I were in his position , I would have gone to the Templar and beg Meredith to help convince the Mother . Stick in the chantry and bug the Mother and stalk her if ya have to.......if ya really care ya do something , anything !! 

 

3- come back and bring Justice.....True Justice is done by your own Hand if ya care at all for justice . And Anders isnt Hawke responsability . Anders isnt a Baby to be babysat . either do it yourself and kill Anders , or shut up and swallow your pride and fear . He didnt kill anders , he has no right to want to come back with an army to back him up . if he doesnt have the nerve to do Justice , he shouldnt claim any right to 'want one' when he cant do it . 

Anders maybe a criminal and a zealot in many peoples eyes , but he stood by his belief and owned to what he did . He didnt ask for Time out to go get some rebel Mage and face everyone . he stood right there between meredith and orsino and told them what he did . That I can respect even if I dont agree with his actions . 

 

4- Oh he can pray . I'm not saying its wrong . But I favor actions over praying . He couldve done so much more in his position , instead all he did was sit in the chantry and be self centered and eaten by doubt . While he could have been outta there , doing something ...anything really . 

[Solbranthius]

Kirkwall is a cesspit that will only ever improve through the use of brute force. The entire journey during DA2 showed that it was incredibly rotten to the core. I feel as though a lot of people conveniently overlook that in favour of pretending as though Anders is some misunderstood hero for starting something that caused countless innocents across all of Thedas to be slaughtered...but then get up in arms at the idea of Sebastian forcibly removing the rot as best he can.

[nikki-tikki]

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1- Asking someone to murder for him , the 'Sin' is on him anyway . And he already went against his Vow by hiring Hawke . The Intro cutscene , the Mother tell him not to do it . 

 

2- what did he Do ? If I were in his position , I would have gone to the Templar and beg Meredith to help convince the Mother . Stick in the chantry and bug the Mother and stalk her if ya have to.......if ya really care ya do something , anything !! 

 

3- come back and bring Justice.....True Justice is done by your own Hand if ya care at all for justice . And Anders isnt Hawke responsability . Anders isnt a Baby to be babysat . either do it yourself and kill Anders , or shut up and swallow your pride and fear . He didnt kill anders , he has no right to want to come back with an army to back him up . if he doesnt have the nerve to do Justice , he shouldnt claim any right to 'want one' when he cant do it . 

Anders maybe a criminal and a zealot in many peoples eyes , but he stood by his belief and owned to what he did . He didnt ask for Time out to go get some rebel Mage and face everyone . he stood right there between meredith and orsino and told them what he did . That I can respect even if I dont agree with his actions . 

 

4- Oh he can pray . I'm not saying its wrong . But I favor actions over praying . He couldve done so much more in his position , instead all he did was sit in the chantry and be self centered and eaten by doubt . While he could have been outta there , doing something ...anything really . 

1) Elthina probably let it slide considering his entire family, not to mention the entire monarch of Starkhaven, had been murdered for reasons they didn't know. Even though it would have gone against his vows, the fact that also it probably wouldn't have been the smartest decision going up against a group of mercenaries by yourself...

2) He said he would look after the Mother, not stalk her. Also considering this was in the middle of his personal conflict on whether he should go back to Starkhaven or not. 

3) If Hawke had declined to kill Anders, Hawke would have physically stopped him even if he did try to kill him himself. Again going back to it being Hawke's decision. Anders turned himself in and was ready for the consequences  of his actions and Sebastian didn't see any better punishment for him than death. Not killing Anders may have come across to Sebastian as Hawke not caring about what had just happened. 

4) Between following Hawke and his duties at the Chantry he was doing as much as he could to help.

 

I can continue arguing this but Sebastian is infinitely times better than Anders, and 90% of Thedas would probably agree. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think Sebastian was a great character, more so than Anders at the least. 

[SotiCoto]

Anders had started to get on my nerves, he's a very whiney character sometimes and at least Sebastian seems to be a bit more "stiff upper lip" if you know what I mean. He doesn't seem to be as "me me me" as Anders.

Bioware male love-interest syndrome. 

They're only just starting to get over it (and still haven't realised that we really don't like it)... but for years, the rule of thumb with Bioware male romanceables has been to make them super-whiny. In case anyone hadn't noticed, Blackwall is the new whiner.
So naturally, once Anders became an option for that...  it came with a keg of whine. 
That is why Anders was the best character ever in Awakening... and yet so hated in DA2. 

Shame really. 
Other than the whining, he was still pretty cool. 
My usual complaint to Anders during that late scene of the game is that he didn't trust me to help him wreck the Chantry. I'd have done it without him.


Sebastian though... pfffft. I hate religious characters.  I wish he'd been blown up with the rest of the Chantry.  Nice armour though.


Kinda annoyed there was no option to completely obliterate the Chantry in Inquisition.  But at least I took every opportunity to suggest it to Cassandra.   *trollface*

[Duelist]

They both suck. Anders just happens to suck and have access to Martyr whereas Sebastian sucks and is badly outclassed by Varric.

[Ice Cold J]

Anders in two, Sebastian in one.

 

Don't know why. I can't STAND Anders. Probably the nostalgia from DA: A.

[SpiritMuse]

In case anyone hadn't noticed, Blackwall is the new whiner.

Wait, Blackwall?? How in the world is he a whiner?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Neither. 

[JadeDragon]

Rivaled Sebastian and friendship anders while disagreeing with his methods so anders all day cause my hawke was a mage

[springacres]

I like Anders, and my mage!Hawke definitely agrees with him that the Circle isn't right for EVERYONE, but she's troubled by the extent to which he seems willing to go.  I'm in Act 2, but I can see her killing him in Act 3 because she doesn't agree with his methods.  Heck, my canon Warden would be willing to kill him for the same reason, and I headcanon that they knew each other from their time in Kinloch Hold.  The person Anders became after merging with Justice isn't the friend my canon Warden remembers, because THAT Anders objected when Nathaniel suggested abandoning Amaranthine to save the Vigil in Awakening.

 

Long story short, it's Sebastian by default because he at least comes off as more reasonable.

[Pack_Fan116]

Um... Sebastian.

If I could have killed Anders before the climax of DA2, I would have.

[JessicaThrasher]

Anders. I can never bring myself to kill him. I'm not too fond of Sebastian,

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especially since he invades Kirkwall in DA: I

the only reason I downloaded him was to have more quests. Sebastian just isn't interesting to me and I rival him in nearly every playthrough. I can't even believe he's an official romance option because Hawke doesn't get anything out of it.

[AranSaxra]

I hated Sebastian... couldn't stand him at all.  The only good stuff about him was party banter... which would involve hearing other companions talking.  So when that decision came, it was a no brainer for me.  Just a "nope, f*** off".
Besides, despite how Anders came to be in DA2 in comparison to Awakening, I still liked him.  Most importantly, even though his course of action was questionable, I thought it was necessary.  Elthina was content by keeping the status quo, not actively trying to solve the problem...someone had to do something.

[Vegeta 77]

Sebastian is a mate Anders is a headache and being pro templar side with Seb.

[sjsharp2011]

You know, now that I have thought about it I have never been on the side of Sebastian at the end of it all. I think that is largely because I do not believe what the chantry has to say, or is doing. I mean, their cause may be ‘just’ in some way or another but how they are handling the situation is more like keeping someone under lock and key and not expecting them to want freedom at some point. The chantry acts surprised when the mages rebel against them – but in all honestly, how long can you go bossing someone around (without any give or take) before they eventually say “enough is enough.”
 
I feel like the way Dragon Age 2 ended kind of threw me to begin with, wasn’t exactly what I was expecting but in the same breath (as stated before) I was not surprised to see Anders took such drastic means to make a change. I DO NOT AGREE with how Anders handled the situation, that is not at all what I am implying but because I do not agree with the way the chantry does things it is most likely the reason why I do not just toss Anders under the bus. There is also a part of me that doesn’t fully believe it was Anders, yes in the literally sense of course but I also feel like Justice (the one possessing him) played a large role in the character changes we saw in Anders compared to Awakening.

I agree I think it was justice that encouraged and got Anders to act as he did it wasn't all him as Justice did seem a somewhat angry spirit in Awakening as well when in Kristoff's body and I was forced to kill him there as well.

[Kirasdream13]

Anders. I can never bring myself to kill him. I'm not too fond of Sebastian,

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especially since he invades Kirkwall in DA: I

the only reason I downloaded him was to have more quests. Sebastian just isn't interesting to me and I rival him in nearly every playthrough. I can't even believe he's an official romance option because Hawke doesn't get anything out of it.

 
Yeah it bothered me that Sebastian went and did that since I'm going "...person you're looking for isn't even there WTF."

[Heidirs]

Stopped having Seb in my party after he started talking about turning the 'apostates' in my party over to the Templars. Nope you don't! At least Fenris had the courtesy to say no and tell him to take it up with Hawke if it bothers him so much.

 

So, Anders, every time. At least Anders has the courage to stand up to what he believes in and face the consequences of it. Sebastian just bails, time and time agan, when he doesn't get his way (and hires a nobody to do his dirty work for him when need be).

 

I like him as a character, but as a person he just rubs me the wrong way. Which is kinda sad because I'd like to romance him at some point, since he's right up my alley looks-wise (plus dat accent), but the priviledged prince persona just makes me want to give him a wide berth. But his gold does come in handy in Act 1...

 

I have to agree with a lot of this. He spouts a lot about his devotion to the Maker, but when things get rough, he flakes. He goes against his vows when his family is killed, and when you decide to spare Anders, Sebastian decides the best course of action is descend upon the innocent people of Kirkwall, rather than, you know, go one on one with Hawke who really should be his main target, but he knows he'll lose so he picks on people who can't fight back as well.

 

Nope. No. I'll take the rivaled and demon-possessed Anders, thank you!

[AshenSugar]

Not even a contest, Anders every single time, and mostly for the sole reason that it so clearly pisses off Sebastian so much 

 

I live to P off Sebastian, if it annoys or offends him, I'm game for it!

[KaiserShep]

I don't really choose between them. If Sebastian had no connection to the Chantry and wanted me to spare Anders, I would have killed him anyway, because screw that guy. That choirboy approves is just a convenient bonus.

[AngelOfOutlaws]

Anders. All day, everyday. 

 

I love romancing, rivalmancing, or just flat out being his rival. 

 

What I hate about Anders? How BioWare dropped the ball on him.The could've fleshed out his character much better by starting out with him much saner.

[AshenSugar]

When you talk to him in the Black marsh after he possesses Kristoff's corpse.  He states that he doesn't know what will happen if you kill the body (if you tell him you can just kill it for him) then, if you keep probing further he states that he will die and doesn't want to. He goes from not knowing to knowing in zero to sixty. Then he repeats that only demons desire to live outside the fade and that his kind would not seek it, yet that contradicts Wynne's agreement with a similar spirit. So he lies three times actually. I send him on his merry way.

 

In DAO, in my canon run I'll usually recruit everyone except Wynne and Shale, only because my canon Warden agrees with Morrigan and enjoys wiping out the Circle with her. Fun times! lol! I recruit Zevran for sport. My Warden wanted to see if he would try to kill him again and of course he dies when he does, then I strip him naked. I kill Leliana after poisoning the ashes...oops she manages to survive although the ashes are tainted. *face palm* Alistair meets the axe. Yeah my Warden and Morrigan had an awesome time.

 

 

 

Your Warden is a monster! 

[Sarcastic Tasha]

First time I played I was all ready to kill Anders until Sebastian went off on one. I did not appreciate being told that I had to kill Anders. So I chose to spare him. If Sebastian was really that bothered about killing Anders he should have done it himself not ordered Hawke to do it.

 

I also found it quite fun to spare him while siding with the templars only to have him turn up later and make a really p*** poor attempt at killing Hawke. I thought to myself: "Cool we get to fight Anders now, this should be fun.. Oh Isabela has already killed him."

[heretica]

Anders, always. 

[Cell1e]

Oh I tried both, but Sebastion is too sanctimonious and Anders is too much of an extremist for me.

 

I liked Anders a lot in Awakening, such a shame he got weird and psychotic.