Just to say, this entire problem goes away if the Leviathan of Dis isn't 1 Billion years old.
i suspect that was thrown in to make it sound cool, without thinking through the implications.
Originally, I think the Leviathan of Dis was simply a Farscape reference.
Why do the Reapers wait until a civilization is at the "apex of their glory", instead of going in shortly before when it'd be far easier for them?
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Why did the chicken cross the road?
It didn't have the guts to cross the road
Conceptually it's a nice idea but it just turns us from "every previous cycle were morons" into "the Reapers were morons" if the plans managed to keep surviving through several cycles, especially once the Reapers found out about them so should be extra careful. And if the Reapers were that hopeless they would've been defeated before now... That's why I think the least bad option would've been to retcon the Reapers a bit so that there weren't very many cycles. In fact do they have to have been every 50 000 years? Could the last couple have been that, and have just happened to be much shorter than usual?
1) Every cycle was filled with morons who didn't prepare and had all the stuff about the reapers only activate about the time the reapers arrived. Each cycle built the same reaper notification into their archives. Morons.
2) The reapers were so careful to wipe every trace of themselves from the galaxy so that they would not be known until it was too late, so they left GoPro cameras around when they threw their ravers after each harvest. These are known as reaper artifacts. Morons.
3) And the reapers thought that organics weren't resourceful. Ha ha ha.
The galaxy was a case of dumb and dumber. The Asari learned how to write earlier than expected so that Liara could find the Crucible plans in the Mars Archives. Still none of this would have happened had Tali Zorah not been born. Had it not been for the Quarians everyone would be dead. Do not forget about Tali's irrefutable evidence. 
Lets not forget the beacon that was found on Eden Prime that gives the visions of the Protheans being wiped out. That beacon made it possible for everything leading up to the ME3 ending.
I have a problem with the Reapers being cocky/arrogant approach. The Reapers were designed to be tools of war, why would the Catalyst program such an unnecessary handicap?
Because otherwise it would be a really short game.
The only way Shepard could have made it off Earth was if the Reapers were morons.
Prothean Archivist 1: "Our archive on the fourth planet of the Sol System is nearly complete, my Lord. We even included plans for the Crucible device for defeating the Reapers in the event that we fail.
Prothean Scientist: "Did you note location of the archive on the world with the blue females? And does it contain the VI with all the information we have gathered about the cycles and does it contain information about the Catalyst?"
Prothean Archivist 1: "Yes, my Lord."
P.S. : "Good. Then our work is finished."
Prothean Archivist 2: "My Lord, should we not also include a warning about the existence of the Reapers themselves in these archives so that the next cycle will know to prepare?"
Prothean Scientist: "No. The beacons should be sufficient warning. They were scattered throughout our empire and were imprinted with the alarm of the invasion."
P.A. 2: "My Lord, what if only a few survived the invasion, or they don't find one until it's too late?"
Prothean Scientist: "Have faith. If they are worthy foes of the Reapers, they will find a beacon."
Prothean Archivist 1: "Our archive on the fourth planet of the Sol System is nearly complete, my Lord. We even included plans for the Crucible device for defeating the Reapers in the event that we fail.
Prothean Scientist: "Did you note location of the archive on the world with the blue females? And does it contain the VI with all the information we have gathered about the cycles and does it contain information about the Catalyst?"
Prothean Archivist 1: "Yes, my Lord."
P.S. : "Good. Then our work is finished."
Prothean Archivist 2: "My Lord, should we not also include a warning about the existence of the Reapers themselves in these archives so that the next cycle will know to prepare?"
Prothean Scientist: "No. The beacons should be sufficient warning. They were scattered throughout our empire and were imprinted with the alarm of the invasion."
P.A. 2: "My Lord, what if only a few survived the invasion, or they don't find one until it's too late?"
Prothean Scientist: "Have faith. If they are worthy foes of the Reapers, they will find a beacon."
Weren't the beacons simply designed to notify other Protheans? And not any cycle that may come after them?
Weren't the beacons simply designed to notify other Protheans? And not any cycle that may come after them?
The Asari beacon is a puzzler. If they knew about vendetta why didn't they build the crucible thousands of years ago? They'd destroy the reapers and remain the dominant civilisation.
If they didn't then why is it suddenly so important to get to the beacon (when it could just be another Eden prime style beacon)?
I know it's a contrived plot device but it just makes no sense. Just like suddenly finding the plans for the crucible on Mars after 30 years of studying them.
It's all bollocks really isn't it.
Yup, the beacon that never brings up the Reapers unasked, and wants to shut down when the Reapers actually show up
You mean the "small data cache" on Mars?
This makes contrived plot devices look good
The Asari beacon is a puzzler. If they knew about vendetta why didn't they build the crucible thousands of years ago? They'd destroy the reapers and remain the dominant civilisation.
If they didn't then why is it suddenly so important to get to the beacon (when it could just be another Eden prime style beacon)?
I know it's a contrived plot device but it just makes no sense. Just like suddenly finding the plans for the crucible on Mars after 30 years of studying them.
It's all bollocks really isn't it.
It does make the Protheans look like pretty incompetent. Although, it doesn't really even bother me -- heck, I didn't even notice it for a play through or two -- because before I could think about it a certain nonsensical, comedy duo showed up and brought down my ire elsewhere.
First thing Vigil says to the squad on Ilos, "You are not Prothean, but you are not machine either. This eventuality is one of many that was anticipated. This is why we sent our warning through the beacons."
Oh... Well never mind then. I'm just... I'm just going to sneak into this corner here.
The Asari beacon is a puzzler. If they knew about vendetta why didn't they build the crucible thousands of years ago? They'd destroy the reapers and remain the dominant civilisation.
If they didn't then why is it suddenly so important to get to the beacon (when it could just be another Eden prime style beacon)?
I know it's a contrived plot device but it just makes no sense. Just like suddenly finding the plans for the crucible on Mars after 30 years of studying them.
It's all bollocks really isn't it.
In fairness, even Illusive Man thinks it's bollocks, and he's indoctrinated!
The Asari beacon is a puzzler. If they knew about vendetta why didn't they build the crucible thousands of years ago? They'd destroy the reapers and remain the dominant civilisation.
If they didn't then why is it suddenly so important to get to the beacon (when it could just be another Eden prime style beacon)?
Meanwhile, on Thessia...
[Asari scientist sifts through data in temple beacon, and Vendetta randomly activates]
Vendetta: I am Vendetta, modeled after project overseer, Pa...
[Scientist closes program]
Scientist: I hate pop-ups!
I always kinda thought that the protheans made sure someone couldn't just stumble upon the crucible plans. The asari never built the crucible because they never found the plans. Liara only found them on Mars because she was actively looking for a way to fight the reapers, beings that most of the galaxy still weren't convinced even existed.
Liara never found the plans, she only found bits and pieces, clues really. The eva bot found the plans
The archives might just be that: archives with VI interfaces, that don't respond to indoctrinated individuals. The VI interfaces may not give information unless it is specifically asked for, though it is odd that Vendetta, a VI modelled on the overseer of the Crucible project, wouldn't actively warn against the Reapers.
Also, the VI interface to Vendetta may only have activated at all because it detected Shepard as Prothean, due to the Cipher.
Liara never found the plans, she only found bits and pieces, clues really. The eva bot found the plans
The archives might just be that: archives with VI interfaces, that don't respond to indoctrinated individuals. The VI interfaces may not give information unless it is specifically asked for, though it is odd that Vendetta, a VI modelled on the overseer of the Crucible project, wouldn't actively warn against the Reapers.
And there is not mention of VI on Mars iirc.
I should've put this in my other post, but when Vendetta says "if you have followed the plans so far, I will interface with your systems.." I wouldn't be surprised if the beacon contained the plans for the crucible as well. Vendetta had no reason to reveal the plans since Shepard mentioned they're using the plans from Mars to build the crucible. I also wouldn't be surprised if there's a VI at the Mars beacon, but wasn't activated like the one on Thessia
I should've put this in my other post, but when Vendetta says "if you have followed the plans so far, I will interface with your systems.." I wouldn't be surprised if the beacon contained the plans for the crucible as well. Vendetta had no reason to reveal the plans since Shepard mentioned they're using the plans from Mars to build the crucible. I also wouldn't be surprised if there's a VI at the Mars beacon, but wasn't activated like the one on Thessia
One thing that bugs me: Why store data about Crucible in one place, but data about Catalyst in other? Other that that would make game too short.
One thing that bugs me: Why store data about Crucible in one place, but data about Catalyst in other? Other that that would make game too short.
I don't see why the Protheans would have the VI and plans in 2 separate places when Vendetta was programmed not to reveal the Catalyst till the crucible was built.
I don't see why the Protheans would have the VI and plans in 2 separate places when Vendetta was programmed not to reveal the Catalyst till the crucible was built.
I must have missed that one. Okay.
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