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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Asari beacon is a puzzler. If they knew about vendetta why didn't they build the crucible thousands of years ago? They'd destroy the reapers and remain the dominant civilisation.
If they didn't then why is it suddenly so important to get to the beacon (when it could just be another Eden prime style beacon)?

I know it's a contrived plot device but it just makes no sense. Just like suddenly finding the plans for the crucible on Mars after 30 years of studying them.

It's all bollocks really isn't it.

 

It really is. Bollocks.

 

Bad Writing Theory.

[SporkFu]

I was gonna bring up something that puzzled me about Vigil and Ilos. It talks about the warnings being sent by the Ilos protheans after they deemed the reapers were gone. Javik claims no one else knew about what was going on on Ilos, but he also yells at shep for not heeding the beacon's warning.

Then I remembered he only said that after sharing Shep's vision, so... Inconsistency avoided. Just thought I'd share.

[dreamgazer]

Why would the asari be led to believe that the Crucible would be effective in dark space? 

 

Or, would the built Crucible just sit next to the Citadel, waiting for the Reaper trap to go off? 

 

Would the asari government even clear the construction of such a massive device with no tangible evidence of the threat's existence? 

[SporkFu]

Why would the asari be led to believe that the Crucible would be effective in dark space?

Or, would the built Crucible just sit next to the Citadel, waiting for the Reaper trap to go off?

Would the asari government even clear the construction of such a massive device with no tangible evidence of the threat's existence?

Or no clear idea of what would happen... Although, who knows... With the crucible docked to the citadel long before the reapers were a threat, the catalyst may have brought an asari up to talk to it, and given her Shep's choice.

[Obadiah]

I was gonna bring up something that puzzled me about Vigil and Ilos. It talks about the warnings being sent by the Ilos protheans after they deemed the reapers were gone. Javik claims no one else knew about what was going on on Ilos, but he also yells at shep for not heeding the beacon's warning.

Then I remembered he only said that after sharing Shep's vision, so... Inconsistency avoided. Just thought I'd share.

 

Well.. Javik yells at Shepard after he senses and sees the beacon vision that Shepard received. It could be that Javik was not referring to the Ilos project's transmission, but just the fact that Shepard had a warning of the Reaper Invasion. (*Cough* which I now realise is what you wrote, lol.)

[ImaginaryMatter]

Why would the asari be led to believe that the Crucible would be effective in dark space? 

 

Or, would the built Crucible just sit next to the Citadel, waiting for the Reaper trap to go off? 

 

Would the asari government even clear the construction of such a massive device with no tangible evidence of the threat's existence? 

 

Why would the Reaper trap go off? The Protheans disabled it.

 

I guess Sovereign could much it up some how, but if it doesn't they can keep it around just in case.

[SporkFu]

Well.. Javik yells at Shepard after he senses ans sees the beacon vision that Shepard received. It could be that Javik was not referring to the Ilos project's transmission, but just the fact that Shepard had a warning of the Reaper Invasion.

Yeah that's what I meant. It didn't matter if Javik didn't know about Ilos beforehand or not. There is no inconsistency because he yelled at shep after they shared the beacon vision.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I was gonna bring up something that puzzled me about Vigil and Ilos. It talks about the warnings being sent by the Ilos protheans after they deemed the reapers were gone. Javik claims no one else knew about what was going on on Ilos, but he also yells at shep for not heeding the beacon's warning.

Then I remembered he only said that after sharing Shep's vision, so... Inconsistency avoided. Just thought I'd share.

 

You mean this sequence:

 

Spoiler

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Why would the asari be led to believe that the Crucible would be effective in dark space? 

 

Or, would the built Crucible just sit next to the Citadel, waiting for the Reaper trap to go off? 

 

Would the asari government even clear the construction of such a massive device with no tangible evidence of the threat's existence? 

 

Apparently if Shepard doesn't use the crucible, the next cycle builds it and uses it. And they didn't have to fight a war.

[KaiserShep]

I guess Liara's capsules work a lot better than those stupid prothean beacons. Her instruction manual was probably more efficient than their proverbial magic eye posters that burn themselves into the visual cortices of whichever hapless organics get yanked off the ground by it.

[Obadiah]

Can you imagine finding something like that on your planet? 

 

If that happened to us here on Earth... you'd have this whole worldview that you'd grown up in, a history of culture, religion, war, art, scientific achievement, and then you find an alien data cache that said that before your species even learned to write, the galaxy was previously dominated by another culture that was destroyed by a plague of giant Synthetics that regularly invades and wipes out all advanced life. I'm not sure I'd believe it if it was just written down and translated, or told to me by a VI.

 

But granted as a full sensory experienced vision.... hmm... maybe.

[SporkFu]

You mean this sequence:

That's the one   Would have been kinda cool if they played it another way, and Javik did know about Ilos. Could have been a neat connection to the first game. 

[SporkFu]

Can you imagine finding something like that on your planet? 

 

If that happened to us here on Earth... you'd have this whole worldview that you'd grown up in, a history of culture, religion, war, art, scientific achievement, and then you find an alien data cache that said that before your species even learned to write, the galaxy was previously dominated by another culture that was destroyed by a plague of giant Synthetics that regularly invades and wipes out all advanced life. I'm not sure I'd believe it if it was just written down and translated, or told to me by a VI.

 

But granted as a full sensory experienced vision.... hmm... maybe.

Just like Anderson said at the beginning of ME1, talking about the beacon in the conference room with shep and Nihlus; he said (something like), "some in the traverse might be willing to start a war over this." ... Someone(s) would try to take control of it and use its secrets for their own gain. Inevitably, a cult would start. Let's call 'em the Beaconators. They'd be hanar-like hippie freaks, tripping on LSD and preaching about the Enkindlers.

 

The vision would have to be shared by more than one person, because one person trying to warn everyone about the reapers would be just another Dr. Manuel. Say goodnight, Manuel.  But... if the beacon vision were transmitted to everyone, or separately confirmed at the same time at key places around the world, that'd be different. 

[Reorte]

After Tuchanka, and again later in the game, EDI makes a couple comments about how the reapers are not infallible, as they proclaim -- "Killed by a worm." When mentioning the crucible to the catalyst, it gives the impression that it believed all traces of the plans were eradicated at some point in the past -- maybe with the protheans? -- and says  (something like), "Clearly organics are more resourceful than we thought." ...So reapers are relentless, unstoppable, all-powerful... overconfident? Even they can't think of everything, or again, perhaps they don't give organics enough credit.

Slipping up once or twice like that is believable, slipping up for quite a few in a row? Not so much. BTW do we know how many cycles it was since the first Crucible design appeared?

[Cheviot]

The Asari beacon is a puzzler. If they knew about vendetta why didn't they build the crucible thousands of years ago?

The Asari don't know about Vendetta, that's why.  Vendetta is only activated because of the circumstances and the presence of Shepard (and Javik, when he's there). The fact that the beacon had been built over suggests that the Asari had stopped trying to extract info from the beacon a long time ago, and the science team sent there were probably trying to find a way to access it again when they were rudely interrupted.   

[ImaginaryMatter]

Just like Anderson said at the beginning of ME1, talking about the beacon in the conference room with shep and Nihlus; he said (something like), "some in the traverse might be willing to start a war over this." ... Someone(s) would try to take control of it and use its secrets for their own gain. Inevitably, a cult would start. Let's call 'em the Baconators. They'd be hanar-like hippie freaks, tripping on LSD and preaching about the Enkindlers.

 

That sounds like the most delicious cult ever.

 

[Bardox9]

Red is pretty much the only choice Shepard would make considering that is what he/she has been working toward from the moment you speak to Sovereign on Virmir. Choosing any of the others is a betrayal of the character and the story as a whole.

 

If there is a "good" ending, red with a high EMS rating would be it.

[SporkFu]

Slipping up once or twice like that is believable, slipping up for quite a few in a row? Not so much. BTW do we know how many cycles it was since the first Crucible design appeared?

Nothing specific. The catalyst knows; when questioned by shep about who originally built the crucible, it answers (something like), "you would not know them and there is no time to explain."

IIRC Vendetta says something about, " several cycles ago." And Leviathan only says that the Crucible's "outcome is unknown."

[themikefest]

Leviathan says that it's seen the contruction of the crucible, but it never has been completed

[SporkFu]

Leviathan says that it's seen the contruction of the crucible, but it never has been completed

Interesting. One could assume the Leviathan had its own mind-controlled agents keeping tabs on the crucible construction before. You'd think it'd have a vested interest in seeing the crucible succeed each time -- if more than once -- it has watched the device being constructed... like, maybe it would help, even in a small way, such as directing a new cycle to find the plans, or planting ideas in its subject's head. 

[n7stormreaver]

Red is pretty much the only choice Shepard would make considering that is what he/she has been working toward from the moment you speak to Sovereign on Virmir. Choosing any of the others is a betrayal of the character and the story as a whole.

 

If there is a "good" ending, red with a high EMS rating would be it.

 

If in ME1 someone told Shepard that "Hey, you could destroy them, but look, you could also control them or even better release them and everyone by making them synthetic-organic hybrides?" 

 

Additionally, if Shepard decided to control Collector Base, does this also count as betrayal of character if afterwards Shepard would decide to control Reapers?

 

Or if Shepard was pro-Geth and wanted them to be sufficient race with a future and there is two ways to do that, would it be a betrayal to character to destroy them? I think yes. 

 

There is too many variations to say anything specific. 

[Obadiah]

Slipping up once or twice like that is believable, slipping up for quite a few in a row? Not so much. BTW do we know how many cycles it was since the first Crucible design appeared?

 

That's probably why the Reaper's plan involves coming in with overwhelming force through the Citadel Relay, and sieze control of the Relay network. As powerful as they are, having to spread out to attack the different planets leads to more "choas" (and we all know who doesn't like that), uncertainty, and mistakes.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Red is pretty much the only choice Shepard would make considering that is what he/she has been working toward from the moment you speak to Sovereign on Virmir. Choosing any of the others is a betrayal of the character and the story as a whole.

 

If there is a "good" ending, red with a high EMS rating would be it.

 

lol... you cannot betray the character or story in a role-playing game, it's up to the player to decide the character's motives/actions and how the story is told. =|

 

Nonetheless, I "like" how you've advocated for your favorite ending around the subversion of free-thinking. Says everything about it. 

[von uber]

The Asari don't know about Vendetta, that's why.  Vendetta is only activated because of the circumstances and the presence of Shepard (and Javik, when he's there). The fact that the beacon had been built over suggests that the Asari had stopped trying to extract info from the beacon a long time ago, and the science team sent there were probably trying to find a way to access it again when they were rudely interrupted.   

 

That's the point I am making. Why is it suddenly so urgent to go there? It could just be another Eden Prime.

[Vazgen]

That's the point I am making. Why is it suddenly so urgent to go there? It could just be another Eden Prime.

Galaxy is building a Prothean weapon of mass destruction. There is an intact Prothean beacon on Thessia. I'd say it's worth checking out. Urgency comes from Thessia being attacked by Reaper forces. After the planet falls extracting information is... problematic