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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Can you imagine finding something like that on your planet? 

 

If that happened to us here on Earth... you'd have this whole worldview that you'd grown up in, a history of culture, religion, war, art, scientific achievement, and then you find an alien data cache that said that before your species even learned to write, the galaxy was previously dominated by another culture that was destroyed by a plague of giant Synthetics that regularly invades and wipes out all advanced life. I'm not sure I'd believe it if it was just written down and translated, or told to me by a VI.

 

But granted as a full sensory experienced vision.... hmm... maybe.

 

Let's say for example that the time capsules were set to go off when it detected that your civilization reached say late 20th Century technology level. You know that it detected television broadcasts and stuff like that, and you found it then. The technology would be so far advanced, beyond anything built so far. And the technological knowledge it contained. VIs? They don't exist yet.

 

Full sensory perception? YOU might believe it but convincing others? "Are we going to admit Shepard's dreams into this?"

[KaiserShep]

It would've been nice if the beacon had something portable that you could bring as evidence, like a prothean iPad. I mean, all this advanced tech is just lying around. People can carry holo images of each other, but for some reason the protheans decide to create an Easter egg hunt for the frontal lobe.

[n7stormreaver]

It would've been nice if the beacon had something portable that you could bring as evidence, like a prothean iPad. I mean, all this advanced tech is just lying around. People can carry holo images of each other, but for some reason the protheans decide to create an Easter egg hunt for the frontal lobe.

 

Because Protheans were thinking inside their box, they didn't have a thought that in next cycle you can't share their visions by touching people. 

[SporkFu]

Because Protheans were thinking inside their box, they didn't have a thought that in next cycle you can't share their visions by touching people. 

Vigil was able to make itself understood by monitoring communications, and Vendetta was able to make itself understood too. If the Eden Prime beacon had been programmed with a VI interface, shep probably wouldn't have needed the cipher. 

[n7stormreaver]

Vigil was able to make itself understood by monitoring communications, and Vendetta was able to make itself understood too. If the Eden Prime beacon had been programmed with a VI interface, shep probably wouldn't have needed the cipher. 

 

Eden Prime is just a Beacon, not a data base\archive\research center. 

[SporkFu]

Eden Prime is just a Beacon, not a data base\archive\research center. 

Yes... so... what I was saying was the beacon couldn't be understood except through the 'normal' prothean means of communication. 

[Ranadiel Marius]

lol... you cannot betray the character or story in a role-playing game, it's up to the player to decide the character's motives/actions and how the story is told. =|

Which is why my Shepard sent out a call for the entire fleet to blow the Citadel up by any means necessary the moment starbrat said it created the Reapers. Any other option would have been out of character for my Shepard. Good thing the game was so open in terms of options we had at the end so that every character could behave exactly as we envisioned them behaving in that (weird) situation so that we can get a story that does not betray who they are. >.>

[themikefest]

Interesting. One could assume the Leviathan had its own mind-controlled agents keeping tabs on the crucible construction before. You'd think it'd have a vested interest in seeing the crucible succeed each time -- if more than once -- it has watched the device being constructed... like, maybe it would help, even in a small way, such as directing a new cycle to find the plans, or planting ideas in its subject's head. 

This is just my speculation.

 

When Shepeard mentions the crucible, Leviathan lowers his head for a moment before giving an answer. I believe Leviathan knew what it would do and didn't want to help the species succeed afraid they may choose an ending that would not work in their favor. Along comes Shepard, with the reapers closely behind, forcing Leviathan's hand/fin whatever to join the fight and accept whatever ending this cycle chooses

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But which one wouldn't work in Leviathan's favor?

[SporkFu]

But which one wouldn't work in Leviathan's favor?

Anything but destroy. Synthesis might negate their mind-control capability, or even need for it, which means they don't dominate the 'lesser' species. Control doesn't guarantee removal of a future reaper threat. Refuse probably means the reapers wipe them out.

[SporkFu]

This is just my speculation.

When Shepeard mentions the crucible, Leviathan lowers his head for a moment before giving an answer. I believe Leviathan knew what it would do and didn't want to help the species succeed afraid they may choose an ending that would not work in their favor. Along comes Shepard, with the reapers closely behind, forcing Leviathan's hand/fin whatever to join the fight and accept whatever ending this cycle chooses

Makes sense. I'd forgotten about not-Garneau's shifty look when the crucible is mentioned. What if, pure speculation here, but what if it was Leviathan who originally implanted the idea for the crucible in a past thrall's head?

As an aside, my phone won't let me multi quote. Stupid machine.

[themikefest]

Makes sense. I'd forgotten about not-Garneau's shifty look when the crucible is mentioned. What if, pure speculation here, but what if it was Leviathan who originally implanted the idea for the crucible in a past thrall's head?

As an aside, my phone won't let me multi quote. Stupid machine.

That's possible though, if the player decides to do the dlc and mention Leviathan, the Catalyst will still have the line about "you do not know them and there's not enough time to explain it". Of course the Catalyst would probably not know the original idea was from Leviathan.

[SporkFu]

That's possible though, if the player decides to do the dlc and mention Leviathan, the Catalyst will still have the line about "you do not know them and there's not enough time to explain it". Of course the Catalyst would probably not know the original idea was from Leviathan.

The thought just kinda popped into my head as I was replying to your post, but yeah, likely that the catalyst didn't expect that Leviathan were behind whichever species did create the crucible.

[Obadiah]

Yeah, that shify look head-Garneau gives definitely left the impression that the Leviathan were hiding something with respect to the Crucible. But what?

 

Its a pretty idea that: the Leviathan were the source of the Crucible, maybe even the ones who give the cycles the idea of using the Citadel and Mass Relays to disperse the weapon's effects, but kept it a secret (didn't even want to tell Sheaprd at that point) so as not to potentially reveal their existence to the Reapers.

[SporkFu]

Yeah, that shify look head-Garneau gives definitely left the impression that the Leviathan were hiding something with respect to the Crucible. But what?

Its a pretty idea that: the Leviathan were the source of the Crucible, maybe even the ones who give the cycles the idea of using the Citadel and Mass Relays to disperse the weapon's effects, but kept it a secret (didn't even want to tell Sheaprd at that point) so as not to potentially reveal their existence to the Reapers.

I got thinking too, Javik's comments after you come back from Mahavid, about that one group that were studying things well beyond their capabilities, and the Leviathan might have been behind that.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Yeah, that shify look head-Garneau gives definitely left the impression that the Leviathan were hiding something with respect to the Crucible. But what?

 

Its a pretty idea that: the Leviathan were the source of the Crucible, maybe even the ones who give the cycles the idea of using the Citadel and Mass Relays to disperse the weapon's effects, but kept it a secret (didn't even want to tell Sheaprd at that point) so as not to potentially reveal their existence to the Reapers.

 

Given this game's wonky facial animations and cinematography, I would say the look didn't mean anything; considering almost all of this is conjecture.

[SporkFu]

Given this game's wonky facial animations and cinematography, I would say the look didn't mean anything; considering almost all of this is conjecture.

I dunno man, not-Garneau's look seems a little too deliberate to be merely a glitch in the matrix animation.

[Obadiah]

I dunno man, not-Garneau's look seems a little too deliberate to be merely a glitch in the matrix animation.

Agreed. It seemed pretty intentional.

 

Of course, it could also be that Leviathan just was ashamed or something for not knowing much about the Crucible, while pretending to be this awesome race in hiding.

[SporkFu]

Agreed. It seemed pretty intentional.

Of course, it could also be that Leviathan just was ashamed or something for not knowing much about the Crucible, while pretending to be this awesome race in hiding.

Exhibiting shame to a lesser being it could kill with a thought doesn't seem exactly in-character though.

[Obadiah]

Exhibiting shame to a lesser being it could kill with a thought doesn't seem exactly in-character though.

 

Sure, but exhibiting anything other than disinterest and arrogance is out of character. Also, that's why I said "or something" because maybe it was just trying to hide the fact that it didn't know a whole lot when confronted with this device that looked like it might actually succeed where it's race had failed so long ago.

[ImaginaryMatter]

It's not that it's a glitch. It's more to do with BioWare's handling of character animations. A single facial animation might be recycled to express multiple emotions and sometimes the animations are off from emotional tone of the dialogue or scene. That's why I generally take subtle facial cues from the games with a grain of salt. I think the zoom in can be interpreted in one of a dozen or so ways.

 

Also -- and this heads deep, deep into fridge logic -- but I always assumed the conversation was a willful construct from the Levithan. I find it strange that the Leviathan would unconsciously give away information it was trying to keep secret. I'm not even sure how a 'slip-up' would even occur given that the Leviathan probably has no knowledge of human facial expressions. I guess you can get around it by saying part of it is a Geth Consensus like interpretation from Shepard or that the Leviathan knew from tapping into Shepard's mind and drawing information about human body language; but again I always interpreted the Leviathan being in complete control over the mind connection.

[SporkFu]

It's not that it's a glitch. It's more to do with BioWare's handling of character animations. A single facial animation might be recycled to express multiple emotions and sometimes the animations are off from emotional tone of the dialogue or scene. That's why I generally take subtle facial cues from the games with a grain of salt. I think the zoom in can be interpreted in one of a dozen or so ways.

Also -- and this heads deep, deep into fridge logic -- but I always assumed the conversation was a willful construct from the Levithan. I find it strange that the Leviathan would unconsciously give away information it was trying to keep secret. I'm not even sure how a 'slip-up' would even occur given that the Leviathan probably has no knowledge of human facial expressions. I guess you can get around it by saying part of it is a Geth Consensus like interpretation from Shepard or that the Leviathan knew from tapping into Shepard's mind and drawing information about human body language; but again I always interpreted the Leviathan being in complete control over the mind connection.

I always just looked at it like that was just how Leviathan communicated with shep, but that's an interesting train-of-thought. Leviathan controlled a group of human miners on Mahavid for ten years, not to mention any others, like Ann or Bryson's assistant. It tells shep basically that it had plumbed the depths of her mind. To me this says it has a pretty good understanding of how humans operate.

[Farangbaa]

Anything but destroy. Synthesis might negate their mind-control capability, or even need for it, which means they don't dominate the 'lesser' species. Control doesn't guarantee removal of a future reaper threat. Refuse probably means the reapers wipe them out.

 

Synthesis won't negate their domination. The Leviathan effortlessly dominate a Sovereign-class Reaper on Despoina (you know, Organic-Synthetic hybrids).

[n7stormreaver]

After Priority: Cerberus Base Reapers just go waltzing and casually take Citadel.

 

I have 2 questions:

 

a ) Why did it take them that long? They could take Citadel from get-go, instead of wasting their time with separate planets. 

 

b ) If Citadel is a control center for Mass Relays, why didn't they shut them down?

[Iakus]

After Priority: Cerberus Base Reapers just go waltzing and casually take Citadel.

 

I have 2 questions:

 

a ) Why did it take them that long? They could take Citadel from get-go, instead of wasting their time with separate planets. 

 

b ) If Citadel is a control center for Mass Relays, why didn't they shut them down?

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