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[sylvanaerie]

Here's mine:

 

Josephine:

Lady, your looks are distracting, and can we buy me a dress like that for the ball? Apart from that, good you're there. We're in agreement about the importance of diplomacy but I hope you're as good as they say in trading etc.. because all I know about money is that I like to have lots of it and I like to spend it.

 

Cullen:

Weren't you Knight Commander at Kirkwall? Not exactly a recommendation. How did you get promoted to general? Well, I hope you're a good one because I'm not, but by all the gods let me decide where we want to intervene. BTW, are you sick? Your face has an unhealthy pallor and your skin looks a bit pasty. Did Varric overstate your good looks in his story?

 

Cassandra:

No weaseling around. You're going to dislike me, and I'm already disliking you. We can organize our co-operation around that mutual dislike for the good of all, but don't expect your preferences to match the way I do things. And if you don't stop talking over my advisors we're going to have a problem. BTW, by Varric's account your voice used to be more lively.

 

Leliana:

The "Left Hand of the Divine", right? I've heard impressive things about you and since the Divine you served is dead perhaps there won't be a conflict of interest. Still, you've been a Bard and while I like you and appreciate your competence, I'll be slow to trust you. We'll talk more when others aren't listening. BTW, you, too, have this unhealthy pallor? Is there something in the air here? Perhaps we should move.

 

Cullen was Knight Captain, Meredith was Knight Commander.  His backstory is he rallied the remaining templars in Kirkwall, restoring order in the wake of the chaos that ended DA2.  Cassandra saw him, was impressed by his leadership skills and integrity and recruited him for the Inquisition.  That's how he ended up here.

 

I for one, look forward to seeing what growth he will experience in this installment of Dragon Age.  And considering it's a new engine, I think he translated well (one of the few) from Origins, to DA2 to Inquisition.  Kind of afraid after DA2 to see what they've done to Alistair. The only two I've been happy with in both of the sequels is Leliana and Cullen.  Morrigan is still pretty, but her features look waaaaay 'off' to me.

[The Elder King]

He's a jerk with kind a a heart of gold?.. The tool bag he's referring to is the jerk part.

I just don't understand how he was a jerk. Unless you're talking of the past.

[Orzammar OG]

He still holds the same bigoted view despite the fact that he knows he is generalizing, specifically if Hawke was a mage.

[Muspade]

Absolutely not. This is the same trap Bill Maher and Sam Harris recently fell into with their criticism of Muslims; as an Atheist I'm sympathetic to their position, however, they characterized ALL Muslims as being dangerous when in reality it's the religion of Islam that has the potential to INPSIRE dangerous actions.

 

Regardless of my grievances with their religion, most Muslims are peaceful--and so are mages, despite the potential for abuse of power.

 

No matter his justifications, Cullen is a bigot.

Magic is inherently dangerous and magic is not a person. In large quantities, magic is especially dangerous. I suggest you think a bit on that before attempting and failing at comparing mages to a real-world religion.

[The Elder King]

Absolutely not. This is the same trap Bill Maher and Sam Harris recently fell into with their criticism of Muslims; as an Atheist I'm sympathetic to their position, however, they characterized ALL Muslims as being dangerous when in reality it's the religion of Islam that has the potential to INPSIRE dangerous actions.
 
Regardless of my grievances with their religion, most Muslims are peaceful--and so are mages, despite the potential for abuse of power.
 
No matter his justifications, Cullen is a bigot.

Is he a bigot For thinking templars are as useful as mages and preferring to side with them, or what he said in the past?
Because he didn't even suggested to support mages over templars. He suggested to recruit one over the other.

[Orzammar OG]

Magic is inherently dangerous. Mages are not.
People are inherently dangerous. A Person is not.

[Muspade]

Magic is inherently dangerous. Mages are not. 

So, we're agreeing yet you insist on arguing a point neither he or I, tried to make?

[leaguer of one]

I just don't understand how he was a jerk. Unless you're talking of the past.

Everything in Kirkwall. He may be will meaning then but he still was a bit of a jerk.

[leaguer of one]

Magic is inherently dangerous. Mages are not. 

Well said. And that's what Muspade said as well.

[The Elder King]

He still holds the same bigoted view despite the fact that he knows he is generalizing, specifically if Hawke was a mage.

You're talking about DA2. We don't know his view in dai.

[sylvanaerie]

I got no problem with Cullen.  He's come to sort of represent how the average Thedasian would react to these situations.  Considering he sides with Hawke against his former commander and countermands Meredith's command to kill the surrendering mages (if you side templars), he's not intractable.  He just has firm beliefs and has seen little to deter his position as mages go.  

Just because Meredith was an insane whackadoo, didn't mean that all mages were innocent, fluffy bunnies.  He has yet to see proof that he can relax that hard line, and considering what he's been through, I think that's understandable.  He, more than most, has seen the best and the worst of mages.

[Orzammar OG]

So, we're agreeing yet you insist on arguing a point neither he or I, tried to make?

Cullen's -- less so your - characterization of mages could easily be miscontrued. That's why I said it's the same "trap" Bill Maher and Sam Harris fell into. It's easy when you're passionate about something to start generalizing, I was just pointing it out.

[leaguer of one]

You're talking about DA2. We don't know his view in dai.

Not knowing what he believes in dai does not stop anyone from doing a character study  of him.

[The Elder King]

Christianity is inherently dangerous. A Christian is not.
Islam is inherently dangerous. A Muslism is not.
Magic is inherently dangerous. Mages are not. 
 
People are inherently dangerous. A Person is not.

Everything in Kirkwall. He may be will meaning then but he still was a bit of a jerk.

Understood of DA2.
But he was talking about magic in DAI so far. He didn't said anything about mages in DAI So far.

[leaguer of one]

I got no problem with Cullen.  He's come to sort of represent how the average Thedasian would react to these situations.  Considering he sides with Hawke against his former commander and countermands Meredith's command to kill the surrendering mages (if you side templars), he's not intractable.  He just has firm beliefs and has seen little to deter his position as mages go.  

Just because Meredith was an insane whackadoo, didn't mean that all mages were innocent, fluffy bunnies.  He has yet to see proof that he can relax that hard line, and considering what he's been through, I think that's understandable.  He, more than most, has seen the best and the worst of mages.

Hence Jerk with somewhat a heart of gold.

[Muspade]

Your characterization of mages in the original post you made could easily be miscontrued. That's why I said it's the same "trap" Bill Maher and Sam Harris fell into. It's easy when you're passionate about something to start generalizing, I was just pointing it out.

 

I think you're reading something I did not write.

[The Elder King]

Not knowing what he believes in dai does not stop anyone from doing a character study  of him.

Indeed, but it doesn't change he wasn't shown so far as neither bigoted Or a jerk in DAI, which is what some people seem to say.

[Jester]

I'm having a hard time understanding why people in last threads are suprised/disappointed that Cassandra is very direct, balancing on rude with no sense of humor. 

She was always like that. From like the first second she is introduced in DA2.

 

To be honest, all Advisors + Cassandra are exactly what I expected.

 

I still don't understand why Cullen was gradually elevated throughout the series from a random annoying Templar dude to one of the most important and influential characters in the game, nor what the fanbase is seeing in him... but let it be. He'll probably make a good commander of the Inquisition's armies... as long as he obeys my (first) Inquisitor, and will not try to think too much on his own.

 

Josephine seems quite 'innocent', possibly easy to manipulate, has a quite decent appearance, voice and not entirely bad face. Will make a valuable 'ally' (and lover) for my first Inquisitor. Seems to be the least confrontative Advisor. 

 

Leliana has by far the most attractive character model among those revealed so far, which is a mixed blessing. Definately the most dangerous Advisor. My first Inquisitor will have to keep a watchful eye on her. Much more so than in Origins (or DA2), where she seemed naive and easy to control (oh, my Blood Mage Warden was playing her as he wanted), she now looks to be a person everyone would love to have on their side...and hate to have as an enemy.

 

Cassandra will have to be kept in line. While she certainly is strong-willed and confrontational, she will have to remember that it's the Inquisitor who has the Mark on his hand... She may, and most likely will disapprove of the Inquisitor's actions and character, but she will fall in line, and she will do her job. If embracing the title of Herald will keep her devotion to the Cause, the Inquisitor will use it...in order to use her. 

[Orzammar OG]

Some people have an issue with stong, independant women with a will and mouth of their own.

I think you're reading something I did not write.

Yes, I realize my critcism is more Cullen's characterization of Mages as opposed to anything you said. I've edited my previous posts to reflect my opinion more accurately.

[The Elder King]

Cullen is a Commander Ieldra, not a general .

[AlexiaRevan]

Josephine: (Btw I believe she has a spanish accent like..that certainly doesnt strike me as Russian . Heck even her look is more like a Senorita ) . Good to finally hear her voice  I can't wait to see how she and leliana met and everything . Her sweetness show just how good she is at what she does . Directing the conversation back , and nobody said squat  Go Josephine ! Stick it to the military ! 

 

Leliana: You make me miss yaa! that voice...argh..I missed her  I do find her look amazing . And I didn't mind the bickering (if thats what it was ) for I remind ya all : Cassandra is the one who probably brough them all together . So that put her in charge until probably the Inquisitor gain fame and power and a sense of what must be done . 

 

Cassandra : *shake fist* That Gender Gating! Woe is me !  Nuff said...I wanna romance her but alas I cant...so I'm will droole though . 

 

Cullen : *sigh* He brough that back . The whole 'I saw what mages can do ' and that..is not good . I'm hoping it is the only time he bring that out . But I'm still impressed how far he came . Never though he make it this far...after DAO where he went crazy..I was sure we never hear from him again . 

He isnt annoying per se like Anders or Sebastian . It just the disciple Voice that get to me...... Still looking forward to see how he will react to a Mage Inquisitor 

 

Tis game gonna be fun !

[The Elder King]

When did he say 'I saw what mages can do'? The closest thing was 'I was a templar. I Know what They can do'. In referecence of templars' abilities.

[PhroXenGold]

Magic is inherently dangerous. Mages are not.
People are inherently dangerous. A Person is not.

 

Unfortunately, thats just not true in DA. Mages are dangerous. Not matter how benevolent and peaceful they are as people, there is always the inherent risk of possession.

[sylvanaerie]

If the Warden is an Amell, Cullen has a line speaking of her to Hawke in DA2.  He speaks with respect, and what sounds like fondness.  I also get the feeling that particular warden did the US, though the line may be generalized.

 

 

So he is certainly aware not all mages are cut from the same cloth.  He just views them with caution, one I can easily see any normal citizen of Thedas would have.

[Vapaa]

Josephine seems quite 'innocent', possibly easy to manipulate, has a quite decent appearance, voice and not entirely bad face. Will make a valuable 'ally' (and lover) for my first Inquisitor. Seems to be the least confrontative Advisor. 

 

Ah ! you better be glad Josie is not real, else she would twist you around her finger while still maintening the illusion that you're the one in charge