I just saw this from one of the demos:
"The Chantry has denounced the Inquisition… and you, specifically."
So apparently a Dalish Inquisitor is viewed as a threat from the start which is not that surprising but will be a very interesting situation and I'm curious to see how that will play out with the Inquisition and the future of the Chantry respectively.
Thoughts?
My Dalish elf frightens the Chantry? This game keeps getting better and better 
But seriously, I like this alot. It just goes to show how much more time BioWare is putting into their games to make them more realistic. Makes me wonder what the Chantry will think about a Qunari or dwarf taking that title? Maybe the same, maybe different, who knows.
Can't wait to go terrorize some Andrastians 
My Dalish elf frightens the Chantry? This game keeps getting better and better
But seriously, I like this alot. It just goes to show how much more time BioWare is putting into their games to make them more realistic. Makes me wonder what the Chantry will think about a Qunari or dwarf taking that title? Maybe the same, maybe different, who knows.
Can't wait to go terrorize some Andrastians
THIS. I am so looking forward to trolling Andrastians with my crazy Dalish mage 
Chantry sister: "Heretic! Blasphemer! No pagan elf could be the Herald of Andraste!"
*Rift pops open nearby, demons start pouring out and Inquisitor crosses his/her arms*
Dalish Inquisitor: "You were saying?"
Chantry sister:
Dalish Inquisitor: "Thats better." *Goes to close rift*
lol xD
I suspect that all four races of Inquisitor are going to frighten the Chantry by being called the Herald of Andraste.
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I suspect that all four races of Inquisitor are going to frighten the Chantry by being called the Herald of Andraste.
Short answer: True, but some races might frighten them more than others.
Long answer: Dalish elves and Andrastian humans particularly have been diametrically opposed for centuries, ever since the Dales resisted being converted to the worship of Andraste, and the Dalish chose the wilderness over conversion.
I think there are some socio-economic reasons too. Some have speculated that the humans felt threatened by elves having their own sovereign nation and religion apart from them, and so tried to exert their will over them while they had the Dales (trying to convert and "trade"), then demonized, conquered and subjugated them when the elves refused to bow to their will.
Now most elves live in human cities, practicing the humans' religion, dependent on humans socially, economically, and religiously. Socially since they're a small minority, economically because they rely on humans for whatever scut job they can get (thus assuring that humans have a never-ending source of cheap labor and social inferiors), and religiously since most city elves worship at the Chantry while humans control the Chantry, and Chantry teachings.
The Chantry has only dug itself deeper by spreading anti-elf propoganda over the centuries. They've scratched out accounts that relay positive elven involvement in human history, perpetuated accounts that portray the elves negatively (like the elves' supposed human kidnappings, blood sacrifices and war crimes before the Fall of the Dales), declared the Canticles of Shartan to be heretic, and have basically condemned all elves that don't bow to human will as heathens and savages.
Now suddenly one of the Dalish they've been demonizing for centuries (to keep the city elves marginalized) has become the most important and influential living person of their Andrastian religion. What's more, the Dalish elves (and elves in general) have every reason to be angry with humans over how they've been treated over the centuries, and a Dalish elf who is seen as the closest to their Lady can use the position to undermine Chantry authority and/or sway the people against them.
I'm happy that we can vocally denounce the title right there. And it actually sounds agressive enough too. Oh, and +100 for making the chantry shake in its boots. Wrong reason, though. Oh well, hope we get to do some....educating 
Edit: Off topic, but was i the only one who wanted to just throttle Cullen? Rare that a character gets on my nerves right off the bat like that.
Honestly, I thought that that was an awesome twist BW added. You couldn't really scare the Chantry or make them angry in DA:O or DA2, no matter your race, so adding this aspect makes me feel all tingly inside. Ooh, hoo-hoo-hoo, I'm going to have so much fun torturing the Chantry.
* crosses fingers and hopes for an option to wipe out the Chantry * 
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Edit: Off topic, but was i the only one who wanted to just throttle Cullen? Rare that a character gets on my nerves right off the bat like that.
Why? What did he say that was so offensive?
Why? What did he say that was so offensive?
I found him more laughable than anything else. He honestly doesn't seem like he'll be a good military advisor, imo.
I found him more laughable than anything else. He honestly doesn't seem like he'll be a good military advisor, imo.
Same, he came across as too narrow minded, leaving his long standing bias get in the way of looking at the situation from a different angle. Come to think of it, despite having an intense training, Templars aren't really prepared for warfare tatics, against a regular army they would get their asses handed out to them, against a unit of elite troops like the Chevaliers or Qunari Beressad they would also be defeated soundily.
@Topic: I think it annoys the Chantry because this could potentially mean "retcon time" for them, as having an elf - a heathen elf I might add - being associated with their main prophet kinda contradicts the whole dogma they have on how the heathens must be saved and sing the Chant of Light.
Edit: I might take the title with my Qunari and Elven characters just to troll Chantry zealots... contradicting everything they are preaching, if the game allows it.
@Topic: I think it annoys the Chantry because this could potentially mean "retcon time" for them, as having an elf - a heathen elf I might add - being associated with their main prophet kinda contradicts the whole dogma they have on how the heathens must be saved and sing the Chant of Light.
Edit: I might take the title with my Qunari and Elven characters just to troll Chantry zealots... contradicting everything they are preaching, if the game allows it.
* points to Act II in DA2 *
Seriously, though, the Chantry doesn't have a whole "The heathens must be saved through the Chant!" thing. It's more along the lines of, "The heathens must be crushed!". They say that they want the Chant to be spread all across Thedas, but they never said that they had to do it peacefully. Just like the Church in medieval times. Besides, plenty of Exalted Marches have been declared, and the Exalted Marches are more about protecting the Chantry than anything, no matter what the Chantry actually says.
That's not what Chantry doctrine says. They don't see the need to spread the Chant by force and have never made a practice of calling an Exalted March exclusively for the purpose of crushing unbelievers to spread the Chant.
"Chantry leaders see Qunari beliefs as a challenge, not an attack. But the message gets muddled among casual adherents."
That's not what Chantry doctrine says. They don't see the need to spread the Chant by force and have never made a practice of calling an Exalted March exclusively for the purpose of crushing unbelievers to spread the Chant.
"Chantry leaders see Qunari beliefs as a challenge, not an attack. But the message gets muddled among casual adherents."
I never said that they used Exalted Marches to spread their influence. Besides, what the Chantry says and what the Chantry does are 2 very different things.
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That's not what Chantry doctrine says. They don't see the need to spread the Chant by force and have never made a practice of calling an Exalted March exclusively for the purpose of crushing unbelievers to spread the Chant.
"Chantry leaders see Qunari beliefs as a challenge, not an attack. But the message gets muddled among casual adherents."
I never said that they used Exalted Marches to spread their influence. Besides, what the Chantry says and what the Chantry does are 2 very different things.
Indeed. What they preach and what they practice are often different things.
I really love how this topic is handled with a conversation that an Elven Warden can have with a Chantry priestess at Ostagar; the one standing right next to Ser Jory. She asks if you will accept the Maker's blessing, and you can say...
Warden: So you administer blessings to elves, do you?
Priestess (all sugar and honey): I merely pass on the Maker's blessing. The Maker looks kindly on all those who would receive him.
Warden: And does he steal the homeland of those who don't?
Priestess (suddenly very angry): I'll not discuss politics with you! Take your hatred and be gone.
It's a legitimate question. I love how she pretends that the Maker and Chantry are all peaceful, loving, accepting, etc. But then the elf points out the very obvious issue: that the elves were forced to convert way back in the day because they didn't willingly buy what the Chantry was selling. What's more, they were conquered and subjugated through warfare, by an Exalted March issued by the Chantry. In fact, the Chantry conquers and forcefully converts people to their worship when they don't brand them "heathens and savages" and drive them off at best, hunt them and kill them at worst.
For all the Chantry preaches love, peace, acceptance, goodwill toward others, etc. What they practice is different.
I never said that they used Exalted Marches to spread their influence. Besides, what the Chantry says and what the Chantry does are 2 very different things.
Exalted Marches are the only way to spread the Chant by force or to crush heathens. So no I don't think the Chantry's main shtick is that "heathens must be crushed!"
I've never made a point of getting in the face of the Chantry priestess at Ostagar, whether my Warden was Andrastian or not. She was offering a blessing, not asking you to accept the Maker. It just strikes me as kind of petulant for a Warden to get into an unprovoked argument with her about something unrelated to what she was doing.
My Dalish Elf picked the "I don't worship your god, human/Fine, whatever, I don't object" response.
Exalted Marches are the only way to spread the Chant by force or to crush heathens. So no I don't think the Chantry's main shtick is that "heathens must be crushed!"
I've never made a point of getting in the face of the Chantry priestess at Ostagar, whether my Warden was Andrastian or not. She was offering a blessing, not asking you to accept the Maker. It just strikes me as kind of petulant for a Warden to get into an unprovoked argument with her about something unrelated to what she was doing.
My Dalish Elf picked the "I don't worship your god, human/Fine, whatever, I don't object" response.
Yeah, that's why the entirety of the Dales was conquered and plundered during the Exalted March. 
Besides, the Chantry is based off of the medieval Church, so it's not all that hard to imagine the Chantry saying they're about peace and treating all equally, yet they have the Templars and Seekers around as their enforcers (well, not so much in DA:I with everything falling apart), not to mention the Dalish are forbidden from settling anywhere.
I usually ignore the Chantry priest, but that's because I'm not a big fan on religion. I find it really annoying when people preach their religion. 
Debates about the Exalted March of the Dales are hilarious to me because I've found myself arguing through the exact same points, but on different sides of the debate. That's what I get for taking a neutral position on the issue.
The Exalted March on the Dales was an attempt to conclude an already existing war between the Dales and Orlais. There are plenty of non Andrastian groups that the Chantry has never made any effort to stamp out because "heathens must be crushed".
Debates about the Exalted March of the Dales are hilarious to me because I've found myself arguing through the exact same points, but on different sides of the debate. That's what I get for taking a neutral position on the issue.
The Exalted March on the Dales was an attempt to conclude an already existing war between the Dales and Orlais. There are plenty of non Andrastian groups that the Chantry has never made any effort to stamp out because "heathens must be crushed".
They didn't need to completely conquer the Dales. They could have just pushed the elves back to the original borders of the Dales at the very least. If they just wanted to end the war, they could've just done that and tried to open up peace talks instead of conquering the entirety of the Dales and forcing the remaining elves to either live in alienages in human cities and give up their culture, or become wandering nomads that aren't welcomed anywhere.
I'd be fine with it if the Dales became a vassal of Orlais, but completely dissolving the Dales as a nation was going too far.
I know all that, but my point is that The Chantry didn't order an Exalted March on the Dales just because the elves weren't Andrastian. There was already a war.
I know all that, but my point is that The Chantry didn't order an Exalted March on the Dales just because the elves weren't Andrastian. There was already a war.
I get that, but the Exalted March was called on the Dales because the Chantry was under direct threat from the Dales. Once the elves were pushed back to the original Dales/Orlais border, the Chantry was no longer under threat, yet the Exalted March kept right on going.
Why? What did he say that was so offensive?
It wasn't so much what he said than simply my gut-reaction to him. Just seems like a buffoon.
I get that, but the Exalted March was called on the Dales because the Chantry was under direct threat from the Dales. Once the elves were pushed back to the original Dales/Orlais border, the Chantry was no longer under threat, yet the Exalted March kept right on going.
Sadly, if there is a chance to gain more ground durning, and after a war, people tend to go for it. A crusade, which is the closest comparable thing, is after all both a religious war, and a political tactic. It would be especialy easy for the (at the time) human chantry to do so, if their feelings about the elves are any simular to how they are currently.
On the topic...there is only one thing I can say:
"Bow before your new herald, and be spared!"
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