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[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Spoiler

I know a major spoiler involving Corypheus and the Grey Wardens in this game.  You won't even believe it...

...but yes he is in.

 

I'd believe it. I know the same spoiler you do, I'm certain. Some youtubers showed a bit too much.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

heh...thats what ppl said about the Rachni...look how that turned out.

 

THe Rachin did not get a huge amount of content in the latter games so not seeing your point.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

The biggest possibility of disappointment for me now with the knowledge of Corypheus in the game - is that we will be denied the option to: 

Join Corypheus, Side with Corypheus, Defeat Corypheus with dialogue and reasoning. If the Corypheus encounter becomes yet another monologue without the possibility to chat and reason with him, and without the roleplaying possibility of attempting to join or side with him - then I fear DA:I will be a BIG disappointment for me. 

[Blisscolas]

The biggest possibility of disappointment for me now with the knowledge of Corypheus in the game - is that we will be denied the option to: 

Join Corypheus, Side with Corypheus, Defeat Corypheus with dialogue and reasoning. If the Corypheus encounter becomes yet another monologue without the possibility to chat and reason with him, and without the roleplaying possibility of attempting to join or side with him - then I fear DA:I will be a BIG disappointment for me. 

 

Maybe he just doesn't like you and doesn't want to talk to you 

[Eudaemonium]

Thing is, if Corpheus is in the game as the Big Bad™, that makes it likely that he's the one talking about your being an unknowing rival in the trailer, which implies that your mere existence is somehow abhorrent to his plans and thus makes it very unlikely you'd be able to side with him at all, since he sees your very being as a threat.

[Kradus9]

Corypheus's voice is Irrelevant because he switches voices as he switches bodies.

[Eudaemonium]

Corypheus's voice is Irrelevant because he switches voices as he switches bodies.

 

 

This is… actually a really good point.

[WillieStyle]

That same, measured method of speaking, as if he hasn't done it for a loooong loooong time.

I LOVE this description of the voice. It's very apt.

[WillieStyle]

Corypheus's voice is Irrelevant because he switches voices as he switches bodies.

However, one would expect him to maintain the same cadence and diction.

[RobRam10]

Corypheus walks in the sun once more!

[TheRevanchist]

THe Rachin did get a huge amount of content in the latter games so not seeing your point.

 

No...they did not. A cameo conversation, and the same course of events, regardless of your choices only proves how little it mattered at all.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Thing is, if Corpheus is in the game as the Big Bad™, that makes it likely that he's the one talking about your being an unknowing rival in the trailer, which implies that your mere existence is somehow abhorrent to his plans and thus makes it very unlikely you'd be able to side with him at all, since he sees your very being as a threat.

Actually I took the fact he calls you a rival as a sign of hope. A sign of hope that want to roleplay "evil" / antihero / out of self interest and power. 

Corypheus could have used the word enemy or opponent but he uses the word rival.

Dictionary: 

Spoiler

 a person who is competing for the same object or goal as another, orwho tries to equal or outdo another; competitor.

2.

a person or thing that is in a position to dispute another'spreeminence or superiority:

 

Soooo... the world rival could imply that we may be competing with him for the same goal. Meaning - maybe the writers in Bioware for once other than in Kotor allows us to fight for a selfish or powerhungry purpose / out of self interest. I'm looking forward to see how this plays out. 

But the most important thing really, is to be able to talk to him regarding his motivations and goals even if he is unable to disagree, trust you or share power. Hopefully Corypheus wont be a big disappointment.

[drummerchick]

[re: Rachni] No...they did not. A cameo conversation, and the same course of events, regardless of your choices only proves how little it mattered at all.

The difference in War Assets mattered to some of us.  

[CoffeeElemental]

Soooo... the world rival could imply that we may be competing with him for the same goal. Meaning - maybe the writers in Bioware for once other than in Kotor allows us to fight for a selfish or powerhungry purpose / out of self interest. I'm looking forward to see how this plays out. 

But the most important thing really, is to be able to talk to him regarding his motivations and goals even if he is unable to disagree, trust you or share power. Hopefully Corypheus wont be a big disappointment.

I agree. The whole premise of Inquisition is restoring status quo. I hope the inquisitor has the option of disagreeing with that and working towards the change. We do not know enough about the motivations of the villain enough yet, but if the Veil is artificial construct then destroying it might not be a bad thing, Sandal did say in his prophecy "One day the magic will come back. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will be open wide". So what if the Veil is suppressing the magic potential of everyone for whatever reason? Is fighting against this and closing the veil tiers a good thing?

 

Random tidbit. In Awakening when you meet Wynne you can talk about the mages and the chantry. Wynne talks about some mage groups wanting to separate from the chantry. Anders argues that this is bad idea while your Warden Commander can say that major change will not happen by itself, it needs to be forced - and this is exactly what Anders did in DA2. I highly doubt that the Keep will recognize this choice, but my headcannon is that it is my Warden that inspired Anders to act this way.

[realguile]

The biggest possibility of disappointment for me now with the knowledge of Corypheus in the game - is that we will be denied the option to: 

Join Corypheus, Side with Corypheus, Defeat Corypheus with dialogue and reasoning. If the Corypheus encounter becomes yet another monologue without the possibility to chat and reason with him, and without the roleplaying possibility of attempting to join or side with him - then I fear DA:I will be a BIG disappointment for me. 

Were you mad when the warden didn't go up to the archdemon and give him the Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?" line? Or with Howe?

 

Some people are beyond reason and are better off dead.

[llandwynwyn]

To me it was really obvious Corypheus would mess with the Wardens after Legacy.

[Todd23]

Forget Kirkwall, how about the world. Hawke is at least partly responsible for the Mage-Templar War, the discovery of Red Lyrium and the releasing of Corypheus. I mean, yeah, a lot of those things would have happened anyway, but it's pretty clear that Hawke is some kind of hurricane of impotence, tragedy, and horror. I wouldn't be surprised if Cullen quits the Inquisition the moment Hawke shows up.

Hawke = Vash the Stampede

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Were you mad when the warden didn't go up to the archdemon and give him the Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?" line? Or with Howe?

 

Some people are beyond reason and are better off dead.

The archdemon is a pretty much mindless monster unable to communicate. Corypheus is a highly intelligent human magister turned darkspawn that (seemingly) kept his sanity and ability to speak. 

Meet "evil person x" and go "Destroy!" = the simpleton way.
Meet "evil person x" and go "I want to understand and converse with my enemy" = Deeper immersion and intellectual satisfaction

[cronshaw]

Anders does succeed without Hawke's help: you can refuse to help him (he still succeeds) or you can tell him to leave in Act 2 (again, he still succeeds).

 

Kirkwall and what happened there was one huge perfect storm of unfortunate coincidences. The dominoes were already tipping over by the time Hawke actually managed to gain enough influence to actually do anything about it, and if anything Hawke actually helped to manage that whole mess when that house of cards finally came down. The poor guy/gal just got left with pretty bad PR.

 

But, OT: Yeah, I think the voice in the trailer is Corypheus as well. I wish he's not the Big Bad (because that'd just be underwhelming, IMO) - and the fact that the devs apparently said (?) that the Big Bad has been planning this for quite some time, and Corphy was released only recently (the timeline's a bit sketchy on this though, I think?), so he can't really be the BB, I hope.

 

It could also be a completely new character who just happends to be voiced by the same actor.

Perhaps they were referring to the magisters attempt to claim the power of the gods

in which case Corypheus has been planning it for a long time.

As far as him actually being the Elder One I'm not really concerned one way or the other

he is one of the most interesting characters in the lore and the only thing that would be a real shame would be never seeing him again in the series

[DarkKnightHolmes]

If the Architect is a Tevinter magister, like Corypheus, then he could still be alive regardless of your choice in Awakening because he could have transferred his essence into Seranni (Velanna's tainted sister) like Corypheous did with Larius/Janeka.

[sylvanaerie]

If the Architect is a Tevinter magister, like Corypheus, then he could still be alive regardless of your choice in Awakening because he could have transferred his essence into Seranni (Velanna's tainted sister) like Corypheous did with Larius/Janeka.

 

Since he was killed by a warden (regardless of who you brought with you) he would be dead for good like the Archdemon.  Which is not to say he jumped ship prior or pulled 'a Flemeth' and transferred his essence, but I'm going to trust Bioware not to be that redundant and retcon his death.

 

With Cory, I could stomach an explanation like that to satisfy why he would have survived, but not the Architect.

[Jorina Leto]

Since he was killed by a warden (regardless of who you brought with you) he would be dead for good like the Archdemon.  Which is not to say he jumped ship prior or pulled 'a Flemeth' and transferred his essence, but I'm going to trust Bioware not to be that redundant and retcon his death.
 
With Cory, I could stomach an explanation like that to satisfy why he would have survived, but not the Architect.

So why couldn't the wardens kill Cory the first time? Maybe the Warden soul thingy doesn't work with Magisters. You should also consider that the Warden survived the fight with the Architect.

[Eudaemonium]

I kinda think the Warden Soul-thang just doesn't apply to Magisters since, well, Corypheus jumps body into a Warden. The entire point of the warden soul-thing is that the archdemon jumps into the Warden and the two souls go boom like a matter-antimatter pair. This clearly doesn't apply to Corypheus and I doubt the 'not killed by a Warden' issue has very little to do with it.

[sylvanaerie]

So why couldn't the wardens kill Cory the first time? Maybe the Warden soul thingy doesn't work with Magisters. You should also consider that the Warden survived the fight with the Architect.

 Of course, my warden survived.  Your warden had to survive to finish the game!  If the Architect killed the PC it was "Game Over".  

 

We don't know why Cory wasn't killed by the wardens of old.  If Anders is any indication, they couldn't get near him without going all whackadoo.  Perhaps trapping him was all they could manage to do and they had to use civilians (like Malcolm) to do it.  In which case, they may have warned them "This is all you can do, don't kill him or you will create a bigger problem."

[thats1evildude]

The evidence suggests Cory pulled his body-surfing BEFORE he died. The Archdemon's transfer occurs at the moment of death.

 

I suspect it's an ability he learned as a Tevinter magister, not a darkspawn.