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[volkoff]

 Really, there's no good reason or indication to suggest that Dumat is behind the stuff that is happening in DAI, nor is he alive or scheming. A far fetched theory and wishful thinking at this point with zero evidence or plausible reasons. 

 

it goes even further, i think he (or his agents via him) have been doing stuff behind the scene since da:o or earlier. i have absolutely no evidence. like i said ''my theory'' is just my interpretation of what has been happening.

but the most simplistic argument i can make. why would someone whom is presumably the most powerfull old god. most powerfull creature beside the maker, whom was so hell bent century's ago to **** **** up just go away? he is more powerfull then cory. (like i said previously)

 

[SphereofSilence]

Also zero evidence that Cory is the one behind it.

 

According to the Masked Empire the prep for this has been going on for far longer than 3 years (the minimum amount of time Cory could have been freed), and why would elves be working with a Magister?

There isn't much evidence as to who the Elder One is.

As to whether or not Cory is the big bad of DAI, here are the indications that come to mind (I welcome anyone to add to it):

 

- He has influence over the Grey Wardens as shown in Legacy. We know the Inquisition attacks the Grey Wardens from the trailers. The devs has said the Inquistion is looking to find the source behind all the chaos that is happening in the world and Orlais which seemed too convenient to be all occuring at the same time. Putting two and two together, Cory is either working with the Elder One or is the Elder One himself. 

 

- The Elder One is described as relentless, ambitious, beyond arrogant, with a massive God complex, believing he operates at a level no other being can comprehend. Sounds like someone we already know: Corypheus.  

 

- There's too much 'build up' of the ancient magisters who stepped into the Golden City and started the first Blight and beyond. These are clearly indicate the magisters hold significant importance in the DA world. Would Bioware passed up an opportunity to use one of them as the main villain of their games? Actually, I think it was planned all along. 

- The World Of Thedas disproportionately emphasizes Corypheus' role more than Hawke or the Warden. 

- Let's look at the candidates out there as to who could be the big bad boss in DAI: Flemeth, Old God baby, Fen Harel, one of the Forbidden Ones, Corypheus or a yet unknown powerful being. Flemeth is up to something that is brewing for a long time. There's no other entity in the world of Dragon Age that was given more build up than Flemeth herself, so she could be a prime candidate. Old God baby? He appears as a young boy as per one of the leaked art recently, I find it hard to believe it is him. Fen Harel appears a lot in the codex entries of DA, and could well be the person who killed Felassan in the Masked Empire. It could be him. But let's move on to the next.  One of the Forbidden Ones - these are powerful demons, but we know Imshael was released in the Masked Empire and found out from Felassan that there will be a great deal of violent upheaval to come, so it's unlikely to be him. Xebenkeck and Gaxkang have already been killed in DA2 and DAO respectively. That leaves only the Formless One among the Forbidden Ones. So between Flemeth, Fen Harel, Formless One, a yet unknown enemy, and Corypheus, who do we choose? I'd straight up put Flemeth away (together with Morrigan and her Old God baby) as I believe she will play significant roles throughout the Age of Dragons and future games. So among the four left - Corypheus stands out as the one who had the most recent attention and 'build up', therefore the prime candidate, compared to other three who had almost none. Legacy clearly foreshadows him as a returning character in future games. 

All these are not evidence, but they are educated and reasoned guesses. In the absence of real evidence, I'd go for what we have on the table, and what we have on the table so far points to Corypheus as the likely big bad in DAI. 

But the truth is, I do have evidence in my hands. So I'll open a potential can of worms that I know many will not believe, but it is true. In 2012, I received significant information about DAI (back then it was hypothetically called DA3) which was accidentally leaked from Bioware - I'm likely I'm the only person outside Bioware who has this information. There was a major leak back in (I think) back in 2012/2013 everyone talked about; this leak was not that. It contained information that overlaps with that well-known leak, and others that that the well-known leak doesn't have. These are early development details - guess who was mentioned repeatedly as the big bad of DAI? Of course, the villain may be changed throughout development from then until now, but I'm pretty sure it remained the same as it was back in 2012. We have a month to go to find out for sure. 

I'm 99% certain that Corypheus is the big bad in DAI. You mentioned in Masked Empire that the event in DAI has been planned for a long time - that's certainly interesting and I'll look it up, hope for further discussion. It's worth noting that Flemeth has foreseen so much that has happened in DAO, DA2 and even DAI, so there may be other powerful entities (Flemeth being one) in DA world who knew all these are forthcoming, including the master of Felassan. 

[SphereofSilence]

it goes even further, i think he (or his agents via him) have been doing stuff behind the scene since da:o or earlier. i have absolutely no evidence. like i said ''my theory'' is just my interpretation of what has been happening.

but the most simplistic argument i can make. why would someone whom is presumably the most powerfull old god. most powerfull creature beside the maker, whom was so hell bent century's ago to **** **** up just go away? he is more powerfull then cory. (like i said previously)

 

So it's nothing more than theory, let's not present it as more than that. 

[AresKeith]

So it's nothing more than theory, let's not present it as more than that. 

 

Everything is nothing more than a theory

[The Night Haunter]

As to whether or not Cory is the big bad of DAI, here are the indications that come to mind (I welcome anyone to add to it):

 

- He has influence over the Grey Wardens as shown in Legacy. We know the Inquisition attacks the Grey Wardens from the trailers. The devs has said the Inquistion is looking to find the source behind all the chaos that is happening in the world and Orlais which seemed too convenient to be all occuring at the same time. Putting two and two together, Cory is either working with the Elder One or is the Elder One himself. 

 

- The Elder One is described as relentless, ambitious, beyond arrogant, with a massive God complex, believing he operates at a level no other being can comprehend. Sounds like someone we already know: Corypheus.  

 

- There's too much 'build up' of the ancient magisters who stepped into the Golden City and started the first Blight and beyond. These are clearly indicate the magisters hold significant importance in the DA world. Would Bioware passed up an opportunity to use one of them as the main villain of their games? Actually, I think it was planned all along. 

- The World Of Thedas disproportionately emphasizes Corypheus' role more than Hawke or the Warden. 

- Let's look at the candidates out there as to who could be the big bad boss in DAI: Flemeth, Old God baby, Fen Harel, one of the Forbidden Ones, Corypheus or a yet unknown powerful being. Flemeth is up to something that is brewing for a long time. There's no other entity in the world of Dragon Age that was given more build up than Flemeth herself, so she could be a prime candidate. Old God baby? He appears as a young boy as per one of the leaked art recently, I find it hard to believe it is him. Fen Harel appears a lot in the codex entries of DA, and could well be the person who killed Felassan in the Masked Empire. It could be him. But let's move on to the next.  One of the Forbidden Ones - these are powerful demons, but we know Imshael was released in the Masked Empire and found out from Felassan that there will be a great deal of violent upheaval to come, so it's unlikely to be him. Xebenkeck and Gaxkang have already been killed in DA2 and DAO respectively. That leaves only the Formless One among the Forbidden Ones. So between Flemeth, Fen Harel, Formless One, a yet unknown enemy, and Corypheus, who do we choose? I'd straight up put Flemeth away (together with Morrigan and her Old God baby) as I believe she will play significant roles throughout the Age of Dragons and future games. So among the four left - Corypheus stands out as the one who had the most recent attention and 'build up', therefore the prime candidate, compared to other three who had almost none. 

All these are not evidence, but they are educated and reasoned guesses. In the absence of real evidence, I'd go for what we have on the table, and what we have on the table so far points to Corypheus as the likely big bad in DAI. 

Finally, I'll open a potential can of worms that I know many will not believe, but it is true. In 2012, I received significant information about DAI (back then it was hypothetically called DA3) which was accidentally leaked from Bioware - I'm likely I'm the only person outside Bioware who has this information. There was a major leak back in (I think) back in 2012/2013 everyone talked about; this leak was not that. It contained information that overlaps with that well-known leak, and others that that the well-known leak doesn't have. These are early development details - guess who was mentioned repeatedly as the big bad of DAI? Of course, the villain may be changed throughout development from then until now, but I'm pretty sure it remained the same as it was back in 2012. We have a month to go to find out for sure. 

I'm 99% certain that Corypheus is the big bad in DAI. You mentioned in Masked Empire that the event in DAI has been planned for a long time - that's certainly interesting and I'll look it up, hope for further discussion. It's worth noting that Flemeth has foreseen so much that has happened in DAO, DA2 and even DAI, so there may be other powerful entities (Flemeth being one) in DA world who knew all these are forthcoming, including the master of Felassan. 

I'll certainly agree that Cory could be the Big Bad for DAI, it is not only possible but it is the most straightforward answer we've got at the moment.

On the other hand it just doesn't 'feel' right to me, but that's all gut feelings so we can't really base anything off that lol.

 

I am 99% sure that Cory has a huge role in DAI, but I am less sure whether that role is as the Big Bad or as one of his lieutenants, or as a secondary antagonist.

[SphereofSilence]

Everything is nothing more than a theory

The difference being, his theory is so far fetched to even be considered at this point. 

[Eudaemonium]

I, for one, would be pretty happy to see Corypheus return as the big bad (I'm still not convinced he will be, but I think a lot of the foreshadowing points towards him, or at leafs him in collusion with another entity like the Formless One). He had one of the most awesome and intense fights in DA2 and the ending blatantly set him up to be a returning character. I think that, combined with the fact we know we will (probably) be attacking the Wardens and the hints present in Last Flight that he will be, if not the main villain, a significant one.

 

For curiosity's sake, I've seen people connecting the zombie-dragon-thing in the trailer to Corypheus but also to an Old God (e.g. Dumat or one of the still living ones). Is it possible that it could be both. We know Corypheus can body-hop. What if he transfers his consciousness into an Old God (or the corpse of one)?

[SphereofSilence]

I'll certainly agree that Cory could be the Big Bad for DAI, it is not only possible but it is the most straightforward answer we've got at the moment.

On the other hand it just doesn't 'feel' right to me, but that's all gut feelings so we can't really base anything off that lol.

 

I am 99% sure that Cory has a huge role in DAI, but I am less sure whether that role is as the Big Bad or as one of his lieutenants, or as a secondary antagonist.

Think about it. If true, who would Corypheus be most likely be a subordinate to DAI? Only Dumat. But we know he is dead. There's no reason and indication to believe he is back. So...Corypheus answers to no one but number one. Put it another way, Corypheus is the Elder One. 

[The Night Haunter]

Think about it. If true, who would Corypheus be most likely be a subordinate to DAI? Only Dumat. But we know he is dead. There's no reason and indication to believe he is back. So...Corypheus answers to no one but the Elder One. Put it another way, Corypheus is the Elder One. 

Or he is a secondary antagonist, being used by the Elder One (unknowingly). Or he believes he can use the Elder One.

 

My primary reservation about Cory is that he exists in Thedas, but from all we've seen the Elder One exists only in the fade (which is why I like Dumat or an Ancient Elven Sleeper or something else like that).

 

There are many plausible potential Elder Ones at the moment, it is impossible to say it is one or another.

[SphereofSilence]

Or he is a secondary antagonist, being used by the Elder One (unknowingly). Or he believes he can use the Elder One.

 

My primary reservation about Cory is that he exists in Thedas, but from all we've seen the Elder One exists only in the fade (which is why I like Dumat or an Ancient Elven Sleeper or something else like that).

 

There are many plausible potential Elder Ones at the moment, it is impossible to say it is one or another.

Well Corypheus is an ancient, extremely powerful magister, who physically entered the Black City, who could well fully utilize the power of the taint, and most likely a 'Dreamer' as well. There's no indication he couldn't 'appear' in the fade, while physically in Thedas at the same time. 

Many possible and plausible potential Elder Ones doesn't exclude other candidates, but doesn't point to any one of those possibilities as likely either. 
 

Besides I would find it extremely disappointing to see Corypheus being 'used' explicitly, where thus his aura of being a baddie lessened. Of course, I'm okay if it turns out that the events in DAI with The Elder One being used by power players such as Flemeth, Morrigan or Fen Harel subtly - like Flemeth/Morrigan did with the Fifth Blight/DAO. 

[Mr.House]

The fact that the wardens where investigating mind control in the past and that many wardens have left their post with warden-commander cutting commutation right there confirms Cory being the reason we fight the wardens in Orlais.

[DuckTheSecond]

Could be the same voice actor, but the voices of The Elder One and Corypheus don't sound alike at all. EO talks way deeper.

 

I do think Cory will be in the game, but I'm 99% sure he's not The Elder One.

[CrazyMooNew]

There's also the existence of secrets underneath Kirkwall (per Tevinter Imperium). Thin Veil, thousands of slaves sacrificed, streets shaped in the shape of magic glyph - all in the effort to summon the Forbidden Ones. This is likely a more assured factor. 

http://dragonage.wik...gma_of_Kirkwall

 

Indeed...and I'm not sure if it was ever answered (because by this point of the game my head started to hurt a bit) but isn't it likely that Anders made use of these glyphs to destroy the Chantry? That while living beneath the city and having Hawke search for ingredients (for what I'm assuming were components for the bomb) he could have found some book or scroll?

 

But yeah..I'm sure all of that didn't help and likely helped drive that city crazy, but I certainly think having a blood mage like Corypheus imprisoned that close didn't help either...

[Mr.House]

Could be the same voice actor, but the voices of The Elder One and Corypheus don't sound alike at all. EO talks way deeper.

 

I do think Cory will be in the game, but I'm 99% sure he's not The Elder One.

Cory can body hop, just saying.

[Heimdall]

I think Cory is a secondary antagonist.  I think he might even be in opposition to the Elder One, gathering the Grey Wardens around him as an impromptu army either to protect himself are further his own schemes against the Elder One.

 

The Elder One is probably something new.  I think he's an elven spirit, ancient and extraordinarily powerful, trying to claw his way back to the physical plain and crush the human usurpers and their religions.  I also theorize that Solas is probably an ancient elf as well (From what we know, he's a Fade expert that spontaneously emerges from being a hermit apostate to aid the Inquisition, which raises all sorts of red flags.  Remember the last apostate that volunteered, or was volunteered by her mother, to join us for the greater good?) perhaps in opposition to the Elder One's plan and Falassen (sp?) probably was too.

[volkoff]

So it's nothing more than theory, let's not present it as more than that. 

 

and i never presented it as being more then it was, i always said things along the line of ''i think,my theory, i assume, it wouldnt surprise me,i consider'' etc, etc, etc.

 

 

The difference being, his theory is so far fetched to even be considered at this point. 

alot of theory's througout history have been considered far fetched. either because of dogma or because it was not agreeing with pop-science. with either no or vague evidence backing them up. they looked beuaitfull on paper but nothing more before they were proven false/true when more evidence came to light. just because a theory is far fetched doesnt mean that it shouldn't be considered. it's how we make progress.

i'm simply saying that either every DA game so far was just a set of random events happening that lead to DA:I or it's connected and there's some force behind it. and i'd prefer the latter, just makes more of a fun story for me. now cory was sleeping up untill the end of DA2. so if there is some force behind the events then it's someone else then cory.

so either DA:I will mostly be about the mage/templar rebellion(which started as a total coincidence, with meredith totally randomly getting red lyrium and anders randomly being in that city) with cory coming into play for him also doing something bad. which is totally a coincidence that that happens at the same time when thedas is at it's weakest. or there is something planned in all of this. and then there is someone putting pieces up on the board.
 

 

Think about it. If true, who would Corypheus be most likely be a subordinate to DAI? Only Dumat. But we know he is dead. There's no reason and indication to believe he is back. So...Corypheus answers to no one but number one. Put it another way, Corypheus is the Elder One. 

 

actually i believe we cant be certain that dumat is dead. the oldest and most powerfull old god just 'dying' ? poof, he's gone ? never to be heard of again? and people just accept that? while there was a topic where people were claiming with a ferocious zeal that cory couldn't be dead? because of eyes, and weird looks, and eerie music (hey, i agree with him not being dead, but still, vague evidence at best) it seems off. archdemons are tainted. so either someone tainted dumat and there is a proto-darkspawn(elder one?) running around or dumat is the one whom engineered all this, which i assume is more likely because of him luring the ancient magisters to the already corrupted golden city. which makes him more potent. considering if he engineered it then he wouldnt just be an random old god becoming tainted. he would be the one with complete knowledge and controll over the taint.

beside; star child. whom would've expected star child in ME3? he basicly was the main baddy. didnt get much screen time tho. or much reference.
 

 

I think Cory is a secondary antagonist.  I think he might even be in opposition to the Elder One, gathering the Grey Wardens around him as an impromptu army either to protect himself are further his own schemes against the Elder One.

 

The Elder One is probably something new.  I think he's an elven spirit, ancient and extraordinarily powerful, trying to claw his way back to the physical plain and crush the human usurpers and their religions.  I also theorize that Solas is probably an ancient elf as well (From what we know, he's a Fade expert that spontaneously emerges from being a hermit apostate to aid the Inquisition, which raises all sorts of red flags.  Remember the last apostate that volunteered, or was volunteered by her mother, to join us for the greater good?) perhaps in opposition to the Elder One's plan and Falassen (sp?) probably was too.

 

this, i like this theory. what if said elven spirit engineered the taint and tainted dumat ? ./tinfoilhat.

[Heimdall]

this, i like this theory. what if said elven spirit engineered the taint and tainted dumat ? ./tinfoilhat.

I actually do think the Golden City was where elven spirits went in Uthenera and that the taint was the result of an elven curse laid upon the magisters.

[AresKeith]

I actually do think the Golden City was where elven spirits went in Uthenera and that the taint was the result of an elven curse laid upon the magisters.

 

I actually think the Black City was always a prison 

[Heimdall]

I actually think the Black City was always a prison 

Cool, honestly I mostly just think everything's probably the elves' fault somehow.

[Hellion Rex]

I actually think the Black City was always a prison 

Yup. The Veil raised as the bars on a prison cell. The Black City was meant to seal away something. Question is...what was imprisoned, and who the hell even made the prison?

[AresKeith]

Yup. The Veil raised as the bars on a prison cell. The Black City was meant to seal away something. Question is...what was imprisoned, and who the hell even made the prison?

 

The Taint could've one of things imprisoned, or it was just created from the Magisters doing rituals there

 

The Elder One could be another imprisoned there 

[SphereofSilence]

and i never presented it as being more then it was, i always said things along the line of ''i think,my theory, i assume, it wouldnt surprise me,i consider'' etc, etc, etc.

 

 

alot of theory's througout history have been considered far fetched. either because of dogma or because it was not agreeing with pop-science. with either no or vague evidence backing them up. they looked beuaitfull on paper but nothing more before they were proven false/true when more evidence came to light. just because a theory is far fetched doesnt mean that it shouldn't be considered. it's how we make progress.

i'm simply saying that either every DA game so far was just a set of random events happening that lead to DA:I or it's connected and there's some force behind it. and i'd prefer the latter, just makes more of a fun story for me. now cory was sleeping up untill the end of DA2. so if there is some force behind the events then it's someone else then cory.

so either DA:I will mostly be about the mage/templar rebellion(which started as a total coincidence, with meredith totally randomly getting red lyrium and anders randomly being in that city) with cory coming into play for him also doing something bad. which is totally a coincidence that that happens at the same time when thedas is at it's weakest. or there is something planned in all of this. and then there is someone putting pieces up on the board.
 

 

 

actually i believe we cant be certain that dumat is dead. the oldest and most powerfull old god just 'dying' ? poof, he's gone ? never to be heard of again? and people just accept that? while there was a topic where people were claiming with a ferocious zeal that cory couldn't be dead? because of eyes, and weird looks, and eerie music (hey, i agree with him not being dead, but still, vague evidence at best) it seems off. archdemons are tainted. so either someone tainted dumat and there is a proto-darkspawn(elder one?) running around or dumat is the one whom engineered all this, which i assume is more likely because of him luring the ancient magisters to the already corrupted golden city. which makes him more potent. considering if he engineered it then he wouldnt just be an random old god becoming tainted. he would be the one with complete knowledge and controll over the taint.

beside; star child. whom would've expected star child in ME3? he basicly was the main baddy. didnt get much screen time tho. or much reference.
 

 

 

this, i like this theory. what if said elven spirit engineered the taint and tainted dumat ? ./tinfoilhat.

Feel free to theorize away. Hell lots of people have lots of theories out there. It's fun. Your theory is fun too, and maybe make a better story than Corypheus being big bad. 

Me, I see what's presented on the table, and logically conclude who the Elder One most likely is based on what's on the table. 

Plus the leaked information I received long ago. 

Could be wrong. But I don't think so. 

[TheRevanchist]

Honestly, I feel if Corypheus IS the Elder One...I'll be disappointed. To me it will feel a tad lazy. I fully expect him to show up, even a secondary antagonist, but not The Elder One. I don't know how many people looked into "Fable" Lore enough to know about this, but The Elder One reminds me of "The Corruption". It was the big bad from that awful Kinect game, but it was also the main antagonist for the whole franchise really. It was not of this world, and used The Spire to open a hole in the fabric of the world in order to enter, and claim what he believed was his. 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Rip Tony Jay Wouldve been the perfect VA for the Elder God... again...

[Heimdall]

Honestly, I feel if Corypheus IS the Elder One...I'll be disappointed. To me it will feel a tad lazy. I fully expect him to show up, even a secondary antagonist, but not The Elder One. I don't know how many people looked into "Fable" Lore enough to know about this, but The Elder One reminds me of "The Corruption". It was the big bad from that awful Kinect game, but it was also the main antagonist for the whole franchise really. It was not of this world, and used The Spire to open a hole in the fabric of the world in order to enter, and claim what he believed was his. 

I'd also be disappointed.  They've previously hinted at Inquisition's plot involving visiting ancient ruins to find out more about the adversary.  To me, that sounds like something new (Or rather, something very very old) to us instead of rehashing Corypheus.  The buildup speaks to something more ominous than Corypheus.  I'm familiar with Fable lore, and while I don't particularly like the way its been utilized, I do enjoy the Corruption and the Court for what they are.  I don't think that's what the Elder One is, but its a cool concept.

 

The one thing I'm worried about is that Bioware might fall into a habit of sequel-one-upmanship, that they feel like they need to keep making the antagonist bigger and more powerful each game.  If they keep going up from the Elder One, that could get silly real fast.