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[TheRevanchist]

You realize that dragon could just be a dragon. The words spoken in that moment could mearly be audio from a different scene, playing at that moment for dramatic effect. 

[Heimdall]

At most, I think the dragon might be a servant of the Elder One, of course I really have no explanation for the Dragon on Dragon violence.

[TheRevanchist]

Can I just say, that said Dragon on Dragon violence is 100% epic? It's one of the most epic things I can imagine possible for this setting. Of course nothing is more epic than the final showdown with Sun Li, but that's epic for entirely different reasons.

 

Besides, that line. "bow before your new God, and be spared." i imagine that line is either from the Final Showdown, during the bosses inevitable monologue or perhaps a conversation with an astral projection of himself, assuming to cow you with fear into submission with his mear presence.

[AresKeith]

I still like the idea of the Elder One being a shapeshifter 

[sylvanaerie]

Considering one scene in the trailer has the Inquisitor fighting what appears to be himself--with glowy green eyes--and has the voice over about 'you shouldn't exist', I'm expecting some of the game to take place in a dream setting/realm as well.  The fade, demons, dragons and veil tears are all a big part of the game it seems.  That some of the action may take place in the PC's dreams would be cool, and harken to the dream sequences in Baldur's Gate 2 with Irenicus.  Perhaps the player him/herself has been 'infected' with a piece of the Elder One--it even calls him/her a rival, even an 'unknowing' one.  Which would account for the glowy hand (in one trailer he reaches up to a glowing figure with that hand on a platform). 

Yes, wild speculation, but loads of fun to do so in anticipation of the game.  A good feeling for me considering a bit ago I was dreading it's new combat style.

[The Night Haunter]

You realize that dragon could just be a dragon. The words spoken in that moment could mearly be audio from a different scene, playing at that moment for dramatic effect. 

DG heavily implied this in one of his tweets shortly after the trailer. 

 

He said something along the lines of (while talking to Laidlaw): 'You know with that audio and visual combination they'll totally assume something incorrect?' [very rough paraphrasing]

 

So take what you see and hear in trailers with a mountain (or at least a hill) of salt.

[cronshaw]

Yes extended exposure led to odd behavior. But once removed from his direct presence they regained their wits, as if nothing ever happened. He cannot possibly have control over the entire Order. Larius was down there for how long now? And still was not under his control? he is a good example of why this theory is nonsense.

First I think Corypheus's power is more subtle: think indoctrination from ME.

Saren thinks he is making the right choices and has control but he is being subtly led and suggested.

I'm also not sure why you think Larius wasn't under this power as well

doesn't everything he do lead to Corypheus's freedom?

Just the same as Janeka

Perhaps Larius's personal desire was for Corypheus to be destroyed, so Corypheus twisted this to facilitate his freedom

just as he twisted Janeka's desires for control 

It is much easier, and insidious, to manipulate someone by exploiting something they desire or believe in than it is to try to coerce them to do something they do not want to do

Also this way Corypheus has all his bases covered

The carta could kill Hawke and bring the blood

if that didn't work Janeka could persuade Hawke to help her

if Hawke wasn't sympathetic to Janeka then Larius could try.

Three different plans all leading to Corypheus's freedom

[MetalGear312]

As awesome as Cory is, I'd have loved for the Architect to have played a bigger role than he did.

I doubt that we've seen the last of him.

[Yount14]

Corys awesome but no way hes the elder one.

[volkoff]

I actually do think the Golden City was where elven spirits went in Uthenera and that the taint was the result of an elven curse laid upon the magisters.

 

dude! (or dudette ?) interesting theorum!
 

 

I actually think the Black City was always a prison 

 

interesting.

[azarhal]

 

Besides, that line. "bow before your new God, and be spared." i imagine that line is either from the Final Showdown, during the bosses inevitable monologue or perhaps a conversation with an astral projection of himself, assuming to cow you with fear into submission with his mear presence.

 

That line could be said by a fanatical follower of said god.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Someone's probably worked this out before, but..

 

Corypheus thinks it was Dumat that told them to go to the Golden City. I'm not sure if we have any other evidence of the Old Gods talking (much less in dreams/the Fade), but it got me thinking - what if it wasn't actually Dumat, but Fen"Harel masquerading as Dumat? Getting human magisters to unleash whatever was imprisoned in the Black City and turn their own Old Gods into Archdemons is exactly the kind of thing an (elven) trickster deity would encourage, isn't it?

[azarhal]

Someone's probably worked this out before, but..

 

Corypheus thinks it was Dumat that told them to go to the Golden City. I'm not sure if we have any other evidence of the Old Gods talking (much less in dreams/the Fade), but it got me thinking - what if it wasn't actually Dumat, but Fen"Harel masquerading as Dumat? Getting human magisters to unleash whatever was imprisoned in the Black City and turn their own Old Gods into Archdemons is exactly the kind of thing an (elven) trickster deity would encourage, isn't it?

 

You got something backward there. Tevinter named something Dumat, it's the Tevinter name for that Old God. World of Thedas mention that something in the Golden City whispered to the Magisters (who were Somnari/Dreamers), they called that entity Dumat (it is the Tevinter name for it). WoT also mention that the elven mages heard stuff from the Eternal City (Golden City) and they also believed it was their gods talking to them. The elves gave other name to those whispers.

 

Also, people think of Fen'Harel has an evil entity, but his greatest deed is stopping a war being two different groups of "gods" by tricking both side so he could trap them away from each others. Fen'Harel was stopping chaos and destruction by doing that, he wasn't creating it. Even the Masked Empire Fen'Harel story is all about balance.

[TheRevanchist]

From the reviews I've read about World of Thedas it seems Bioware has made some rather blatent mistakes with the information provided. things that outright contradict previously established facts. Not sure how reliable such a source can be.

[azarhal]

From the reviews I've read about World of Thedas it seems Bioware has made some rather blatent mistakes with the information provided. things that outright contradict previously established facts. Not sure how reliable such a source can be.

There is not that much mistakes in World of Thedas and most of them are things contradicting each other between the timeline and text (mostly dates not matching).

[TheRevanchist]

It mentions Wardens being required to serve a whole year with the Dwarves when they first join. Since when has this ever been a thing? 

[DuckTheSecond]

I know that it's not certain if the Elder One is the dragon shown in the trailers, but that dragon took down Flemeth. So I don't think that dragon is normal.

 

Also, something interesting about Dumat. He's supposed to be destroyed, yet his altar in Legacy still worked and Corypheus was granted powers when he called out to him.

 

And another reason why I don't think Cory=EO is that Cory serves a Dumat, he doesn't see himself as a god. I won't fully deny the possibility, but I just think it's very unlikely that he's the Elder One.

[TheRevanchist]

I know that it's not certain if the Elder One is the dragon shown in the trailers, but that dragon took down Flemeth. So I don't think that dragon is normal.

 

Also, something interesting about Dumat. He's supposed to be destroyed, yet his altar in Legacy still worked and Corypheus was granted powers when he called out to him.

 

And another reason why I don't think Cory=EO is that Cory serves a Dumat, he doesn't see himself as a god. I won't fully deny the possibility, but I just think it's very unlikely that he's the Elder One.

 

Do we know, for 100% fact. that it is Flemeth?

[azarhal]

Do we know, for 100% fact. that it is Flemeth?

 

The horns don't match, so unless they redesigned Flemeth's dragon form for a 3rd time it's not Flemeth. Aka there is no confirmation.

[TheRevanchist]

I didn't think so. So many assumptions on the forums these days

[Tevinter Soldier]

First I think Corypheus's power is more subtle: think indoctrination from ME.

Saren thinks he is making the right choices and has control but he is being subtly led and suggested.

I'm also not sure why you think Larius wasn't under this power as well

doesn't everything he do lead to Corypheus's freedom?

Just the same as Janeka

Perhaps Larius's personal desire was for Corypheus to be destroyed, so Corypheus twisted this to facilitate his freedom

just as he twisted Janeka's desires for control 

It is much easier, and insidious, to manipulate someone by exploiting something they desire or believe in than it is to try to coerce them to do something they do not want to do

Also this way Corypheus has all his bases covered

The carta could kill Hawke and bring the blood

if that didn't work Janeka could persuade Hawke to help her

if Hawke wasn't sympathetic to Janeka then Larius could try.

Three different plans all leading to Corypheus's freedom

 

Corypheus is one of my favourites, my first play through i picked Janeka at first then at the last moment went against her as she was clearly nuts.

 

obviously given the ending i was like oh crap! she must have been right.

so i replayed it and everything was hunky dory and then that last line, left me completely unsure.

[DuckTheSecond]

The horns don't match, so unless they redesigned Flemeth's dragon form for a 3rd time it's not Flemeth. Aka there is no confirmation.

 

Yeah, I just saw a lot of people say it's Flemeth. Apparently I'm wrong, I apologise

[Apostate.]

As a Long, long, long lurker of these forums and more recently this thread...I just feel compelled to bring this up concering Corypheus:

 

I never played the Legacy DLC myself so I can't be certain but from the youtube playthroughs i've seen; upon killing Corypheus Hakwe will comment something to the affect of: "That was almost too easy." (again I've never played the DLC so maybe its just a party memeber who says this?) this to me is a somewhat obvious nod that the fight and indeed the entire encounter with Corypheus may not be all that it appears to be.

 

I'm also pretty sure that when Hakwe sides with Janeka besides sounding well just...'creepy' Janeka literally stares off into the distance, back towards Hakwe and goes "...I feel like an entirely new person.." very ominious and laced with potential...yo..

 

Anyways just curious if anyone else agrees and thinks this points a larger role for Corypheus in DA:I... I hope my first post ever wasn't in a dead thread but then again that sounds like something I would do...

[Reznore57]

As a Long, long, long lurker of these forums and more recently this thread...I just feel compelled to bring this up concering Corypheus:

 

I never played the Legacy DLC myself so I can't be certain but from the youtube playthroughs i've seen; upon killing Corypheus Hakwe will comment something to the affect of: "That was almost too easy." (again I've never played the DLC so maybe its just a party memeber who says this?) this to me is a somewhat obvious nod that the fight and indeed the entire encounter with Corypheus may not be all that it appears to be.

 

I'm also pretty sure that when Hakwe sides with Janeka besides sounding well just...'creepy' Janeka literally stares off into the distance, back towards Hakwe and goes "...I feel like an entirely new person.." very ominious and laced with potential...yo..

 

Anyways just curious if anyone else agrees and thinks this points a larger role for Corypheus in DA:I... I hope my first post ever wasn't in a dead thread but then again that sounds like something I would do...

 

Well pretty much everyone agreed that Corypheus didn't die and possess Janeka or Larius by the end of Legacy.^^

So yeah it seems Corypheus is somewhere in Thedas , planning something.

[Apostate.]

Well pretty much everyone agreed that Corypheus didn't die and possess Janeka or Larius by the end of Legacy.^^

So yeah it seems Corypheus is somewhere in Thedas , planning something.

SO I have stated something totally obvious then yes? hmmm..

 

Good... Good....