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[RevanCousland]

so what attribute increases crit chance? never really figured that out. anyone know a good crit build?

[Elhanan]

For Warriors, I liked 2H over S&S. Acquiring the Sunder Talents as early as possible helps speed combat quite a lot, and there are a few choices that aid Crits as I recall.

I prefer a CON & DEX of 20 and a WILL of 30 in addition to the usual high STR; leaving 16 CUN and min MGC for the rest.

Take Death Blow to insure fuel for Talents, but I only take Precise Striking in that tier as I dislike working with Aggro mechanics.

[AutumnWitch]

Just Finished My First Rogue Run Through With  Rogue (I've only played Mage before 20+ times)

 

It was quite different and I loved the Dalish added stuff. I ended up being 50/50 archer/dual daggers. I think the battles were easier TBO for the most part. There was only one part in the whole game where I played a Morrigan and that was the battle to rescue Anora because I HATE being captured. (I needed her AOE spells)

I refused to wear anything but the Dalish armour but did have the fully upgraded versions and my DEF score was around 150 by the time I was 75% through so I was pretty untouchable at that point. I loved killing the alpha ogres at the end with one arrow. That felt REALLY good. My biggest surprise is that I didn't use Alistair or Sten on hardly any quests. It was usually me, Leliana, Morrigan and Shale or Zev. I did use Sten, Alistair and Oghren to fight the High Dragon (by the Urn of Sacred Ashes) and they promptly died about 1/3 the way through the battle leaving just a me (a wee Dalish Elf chick) to do all the work. Typical!

I've started a DAA run with her now and I am REALLY REALLY liking playing as her better than I did in DAO.

[caradoc2000]

I've started a DAA run with her now and I am REALLY REALLY liking playing as her better than I did in DAO.

With the new talents, archers are even more powerful in Awakening than in the base game.

[Ferretinabun]

As long as you get Lethality, you only really need to focus on Dex and Cunning. Grab some daggers and go nuts.

 

As a melee rogue, you always want to be backstabbing. So positioning is important. Tanks help as the hold the enemies' aggro. However, Coup de Grace allows you to backstab people from the front when they are incapacitated, so load up on talents that do that (Dirty Fighting, Riposte, etc) and that'll save you some micromanaging. Also, people tend to get Momentum ASAP and keep it running constantly. Assassin is a great first spec.

 

You'll have a tougher time as an archer as they take a lot longer to get good and there aren't really a lot of talents designed for them. But again, grab Lethality and go Dex and Cunning.

[Elhanan]

As long as you get Lethality, you only really need to focus on Dex and Cunning. Grab some daggers and go nuts.
 
As a melee rogue, you always want to be backstabbing. So positioning is important. Tanks help as the hold the enemies' aggro. However, Coup de Grace allows you to backstab people from the front when they are incapacitated, so load up on talents that do that (Dirty Fighting, Riposte, etc) and that'll save you some micromanaging. Also, people tend to get Momentum ASAP and keep it running constantly. Assassin is a great first spec.
 
You'll have a tougher time as an archer as they take a lot longer to get good and there aren't really a lot of talents designed for them. But again, grab Lethality and go Dex and Cunning.

Prefer to skip Lethality and that entire tier, wear Heavy armor, and still use daggers and go crazy. And Momentum is a key choice, esp if one wants to play an Archer/ DW Hybrid. For this, Master Archer is also desired, and then one may focus on whatever Talents they prefer.

Recommend 38 STR, 22 CUN, 30 WILL, and the rest on DEX (maybe a few pts on CON, but it isn't required).

[RevanCousland]

thanks to everyone! i think i'll do a hybrid between archer and duel dagger. this is my first time not playing a mage so wish me luck lol.

[Elhanan]

thanks to everyone! i think i'll do a hybrid between archer and duel dagger. this is my first time not playing a mage so wish me luck lol.

I like Duelist for Hybrids, as some of the Talents works for both Archer & DW, and agree that Assassin is a good choice. But for the sake of disclosure, I have never used Ranger, and prefer to leave Bard for Companions.

[caradoc2000]

this is my first time not playing a mage so wish me luck.

"I don't need luck, I've got bullets"
- Grunt, Mass Effect 3 

[Elhanan]

"I don't need luck, I've got bullets"
- Grunt, Mass Effect 3 

That may be ammo, I believe.

[caradoc2000]

That may be ammo, I believe.

Grunt might have had ammo in ME1, sadly the devs changed that for subsequent games.

[chriseggroll]

I love playing dual dagger rogue, playing through Awakening at the moment for the first time.  So far I love Bard/Assassin/Shadow combo.  The new Shadow tree is amazing, especially if you like to solo a lot like I do.  You can cast decoy and they will keep hitting that thing for so long, it's laughable, allowing you to sneak up and take out mages/archers etc.  Another great combo is Flicker+Whirlwind, if timed right you can take out a whole bunch of guys with that alone.  The Shadow Form is good, though you really have to watch your stamina or it will cause some of your other sustained abilities to get cancelled, like Momentum.  I like Assassin just for the passive buffs - feast of the fallen really helps with shadow form.  

[Sewrtyuiop]

My dual dagger rogue

 

Specializations: Duelist (1st), Assassin (2nd), Legionnaire Scout last.

 

Str-45 (For swords)

 

Dex- 75(Had +23 from gear)

 

Cun - 90 (+20 from gear)

 

Con -  56 (+36 from gear)

 

My stats seem strange bc I went for a front line rogue fighter. The skills I invested in were coercion of course, combat training, and poison making. The talents I went for were lethality, coup de grace, dual weapon mastery, and momentum. I maxed out all the talents trees in each specialization.

 

My equipment consisted any gear that raised dex and cun, like the felon's coat that you can get near the end of DA:O. I used Duncan's sword bc of the stamina regen and extra cunning, plus the extra damage towards darkspawn. I also used Maric's blade bc of the health and stamina regen. I had lifegiver, a ring you can find in an orzammar shop if I remember correctly. I used swords bc lethality allows me to use my cunning instead of strength.

 

When it came to battle, I always apply my poisons before hand and then using stunning moves to position for backstabs. Once you get them, always have momentum and dueling on bc you get a bonus to attack (and def later) and faster attack rate. Have teammates (like Alistar) that have stunning moves. Grenades are helpful against hordes of enemies or ones weak to certain elements.

 

When fighting a powerful foe, like the revenants, put on pinpoint strike because every hit is a guaranteed crit and with momentum, that's a lot of crits.

In awakening, you will find yourself almost unstoppable. The legionnaire scout abilities allow you to become WOW's paladin with bubble. You will be immune to almost everything with two different abilities that grant basically invincibility.

 

Now, I have compared this other rogue builds and warrior builds, and the others always tend to outdo this one in damage. This one is just more fun for me and has some versatility bc you'll find yourself with extra points into whatever you want to spend those in.

Hope this helps.

[Mike3207]

I like these builds for critical chance:

 

http://forum.bioware...tw-video-added/

[Kenshen]

Prefer to skip Lethality and that entire tier, wear Heavy armor, and still use daggers and go crazy. And Momentum is a key choice, esp if one wants to play an Archer/ DW Hybrid. For this, Master Archer is also desired, and then one may focus on whatever Talents they prefer.

Recommend 38 STR, 22 CUN, 30 WILL, and the rest on DEX (maybe a few pts on CON, but it isn't required).

 

That isn't doing much for you with that build.  If you skip lethality then you should be jacking your STR up not dex (melee rogue that is not acher).  Dex is only needed to unlock talents in the dual wield tree. Not really sure about an archer I don't like playing those.

 

Since I use my rogue to unlock chests and doors I roll with a dex/cunning build.  What is nice about this is once you get your cunning score up to around 40 you will no longer need to invest talent points into the lock picking ones, I forget the actual name but they have the icon of a lock cant miss it.  That frees up 4 more talents to be spent elsewhere.

 

My attribute targets are:

 

STR 22 (24 in Awakenings)

DEX 36 (52)

WILL 25 (whatever you wish not as needed with stam pots)

Magic base

Cunning 60 (85)

Con base

 

Momentum is a absolute must for a dual wielder it makes such a difference.  Riposte is very nice as a second stun to dirty tricks.  I have seen some that argue that with a much higher dex score than I suggested will mean you won't have to invest in the dual wield mastery row but I have found it better to take those just for the ease of the defense negatives that a high dex doesn't help with.   I would also suggest you put a paralysis rune on one or both daggers if you are taking coupe de grace talent.

[Elhanan]

That isn't doing much for you with that build.  If you skip lethality then you should be jacking your STR up not dex (melee rogue that is not acher).  Dex is only needed to unlock talents in the dual wield tree. Not really sure about an archer I don't like playing those....

I did increase STR to 38 (occasionally 42) to wear desired armors, and DEX is useful for both Archers and DW. DAA also allows Archers to be quite deadly with a higher DEX. And my build did mention it was a Hybrid design; good for both.

[Kenshen]

I did increase STR to 38 (occasionally 42) to wear desired armors, and DEX is useful for both Archers and DW. DAA also allows Archers to be quite deadly with a higher DEX. And my build did mention it was a Hybrid design; good for both.

 

Yeah I had already typed my response when I noticed you were talking hybrid and I didn't want to rewrite my entire post.  As a rogue with heavy armor you must not be using a lot of talents or how are you overcoming the fatigue penalty?  Personally I don't use a lot of talents as a rogue in either game but do run as many sustained abilities as possible.

[Elhanan]

Yeah I had already typed my response when I noticed you were talking hybrid and I didn't want to rewrite my entire post.  As a rogue with heavy armor you must not be using a lot of talents or how are you overcoming the fatigue penalty?  Personally I don't use a lot of talents as a rogue in either game but do run as many sustained abilities as possible.

This Hybrid design offers a lot of possibilities on armor, weapons, and Talent selections. Generally, I take Momentum and the top tier DW line, Master Archer tier, and many of the Rogue selections (eg; full Deft Hands, Stealth, and Dirty Fighting and Combat Movement). Also, the first three Duelist choices are useful for both Archery and DW.

As for armors, with a high STR, this allows for several varialtions. One could mix to utilize various Dodge bonus pieces, or other desired effects. However, one useful set to aid Stamina is Wade's Superior Dragonscale + Evon's Mail set; offers a -20 Stamina set bonus:

http://dragonage.wik...scale_armor_set

[capn233]

To OP:

 

Aim doubles ranged critical chance.  So for the archer bit get Aim and Master Archer and you don't necessarily need to worry too much about the other abilities, although Shattering Shot and Scattershot are pretty good.

 

For ranged or melee critical you would want at least one active Song of Courage, or you can stack them.

 

As such for a ranged rogue, or a hybrid I would probably go Bard / Duelist, but certainly Bard for SoC.  Get enough Dex to meet prereqs, get 20 strength, and then pump Cunning since you will take Lethality and since you are using SoC.

 

Rapid Aim and Ranged Critical are the stats to look for in bows, although Wolf Killer is still good against beasts / undead.  Otherwise Mage's Eye or Far Song.

 

I think the dagger bit is the easier part, just give yourself the best daggers you have with some paralyze or damage runes.

 

I did something similar recently starting with a Dalish elf, started as predominantly an archer then transitioned more to daggers late game.