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[Kriztofer]

More and more games have been pulling off world wide releases recently - both physical and digital. Really disappointed that the game i'm most looking forward to couldn't pull it off. I assume it's a publisher has to "persuade" retailers sort of deal.

[davepissedatending]

More and more games have been pulling off world wide releases recently - both physical and digital. Really disappointed that the game i'm most looking forward to couldn't pull it off. I assume it's a publisher has to "persuade" retailers sort of deal.

well said

[Jimbo_Gee79]

Why? Other worldwide releases didn't have any problems with delivering physical copies to all retailers few days before global release date. And even now with "british" friday releases (I'm in central europe and still affected by this ancient british decision..nice ) retailers gets copies of most of the games usually on wednesday, sometimes even sooner.

So I don't think that delivering physical copies to retailers/customers would be problem at all. They are made in different coutries (worldwide) anyway, so it's not like you have to send physical copies of Dragon Age from US/Canada to Europe.

 

edit: but I don't mind digital copies. Today I buy physical copies only when I want Collector's edition or when the retail price is lower than on Steam/Origin/GOG etc. (which happens, because Steam prices outside Steam Sales are often unreasonably high, so I buy physical copy for like 10-30% less, register key on Steam and never use physical copy again..same goes to Origin)

If we get rid of most of the physical copies we wont have the tue/fri thing going on. If its all digital publishers will have no choice but to have a worldwide release date on all games. It's people who want their cloth maps and whatever else comes in a box thats going to end up on a shelf for the next 10 years gathering dust that are holding us back.

[Gill Kaiser]

Perhaps EA should show the middle finger to the retailers, and go fully digital. Then reduce the price of games on Origin to sane levels.

[KoorahUK]

Perhaps EA should show the middle finger to the retailers, and go fully digital. Then reduce the price of games on Origin to sane levels.

I think they will find reasons to keep the prices inflated sadly. Have you seen their "sales"?

 

Gee a whole £0.99 off! Let me get my credit card!

[frankf43]

More and more games have been pulling off world wide releases recently - both physical and digital. Really disappointed that the game i'm most looking forward to couldn't pull it off. I assume it's a publisher has to "persuade" retailers sort of deal.

Not really. If EA turned around and said. We're putting DA:I as a worldwide release on Origin we would like you to do the same with your digital/in store release the other retailers would have to follow suit or risk losing sales to Origin and PC. 

[Exyle19]

I just checked Origin.com and it turns out I'll get my copy on the 18th (HK Region). Seeing as HK is a former British colony I'm not sure why I get so lucky... *Shrug* Not going to complain. Just use a proxy, mates.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Now bare with me, if we're going to use VPN, to circumvent a restriction, why not go all the way and play the game for free. Why is it that breaking some of the rules is ok, but breaking others are not?

Because one causes harm, and the other does not.

As long as you pay for the game, when (or if) you play it makes no material difference.

[Rolenka]

Perhaps EA should show the middle finger to the retailers, and go fully digital. Then reduce the price of games on Origin to sane levels.

 

 

The price of video games has not even closely kept pace with inflation, and the cost to produce them has far exceeded it. They were $50 for what, 20 years? We can either pay $60 for new releases or get nickel-and-dimed even more than we already are.

[Subtle54]

I'm in Australia and hoping it's street broken here on the 18th.

[Johnsen1972]

Im from germany and I can preload on 17th and play on 20th... sucks...

[Lux]

EA will eventually come around... some time this century...

[Caelorummors]

The different date for online release is to not take away sales from the physical retailers.

[sandokas]

While EA has set a later release date of the digital download of DA:I on Origin, they have also stated in the past that circumventing the release date check using VPN servers is not against the terms of service and will not result in a ban. Origin users can play it as soon as the game unlocks in whichever country gets it first.

 

Official link please.

 

 

Because one causes harm, and the other does not.

As long as you pay for the game, when (or if) you play it makes no material difference.

 

If "when you play the game makes no material difference", why would BioWare insult their digital customers by forbidding them to play on release date based on their geographical location?

[Fredvdp]

Official link please.

The terms of service make no mention of release date bypassing.

http://tos.ea.com/le...TERMS/US/en/PC/

 

Here's an unofficial one.

 

http://i.imgur.com/bkzgPbc.png

 

I'm a moderator on EA's support site and I've talked about release date bypassing with EA staff. I can't link it, because it was on a hidden forum, but they're OK with it

[Gill Kaiser]

The price of video games has not even closely kept pace with inflation, and the cost to produce them has far exceeded it. They were $50 for what, 20 years? We can either pay $60 for new releases or get nickel-and-dimed even more than we already are.

But only Origin is asking these prices. Every other retailer has them at the same prices they've always been

 

Right now I can get the standard version from UK retailers for £35-40, but on Origin it's £50.

 

The deluxe edition is £60 on Origin, and isn't being made available anywhere else in the UK. That's what I object to the most.

[Ailith Tycane]

So sell me on why would the online release date be any different at a specific part of the world?
This is turning me off so much to buy this game.

 

Fight your government and retailers on this, they're the ones who do the Friday releases while NA does Tuesday releases

[xkg]

Fight your government and retailers on this, they're the ones who do the Friday releases while NA does Tuesday releases

 

Sorry but you're wrong. Neither my government nor my country's reatilers are responsible for that. There is nothing like forced tuesday releases where I live.

 

i.e. Witcher 2 - released 17 may 2011 (Tuesday) internationaly. One date for everyone. So can it be done ? Sure it can.

 

 

But only Origin is asking these prices. Every other retailer has them at the same prices they've always been

 

Right now I can get the standard version from UK retailers for £35-40, but on Origin it's £50.

 

The deluxe edition is £60 on Origin, and isn't being made available anywhere else in the UK. That's what I object to the most.

 

Exactly the same case here. Origin digital version  vs  20% cheaper, boxed version from retailers. The choice could't be more obvious in this case.

But why is it like that, shouldn't it be the other way around ? Shouldn't the digital version be cheaper ?

[Tevinter Soldier]

More and more games have been pulling off world wide releases recently - both physical and digital. Really disappointed that the game i'm most looking forward to couldn't pull it off. I assume it's a publisher has to "persuade" retailers sort of deal.

 

nothing to do with retailers, here in aus embargo fines were INCREASED about 5 years ago because shops kept breaking the street date. its all enforced by the publishers.

 

If shops didn't want to sell it earlier they'd never have broken street dates in the first place.

 

 

Sorry but you're wrong. Neither my government nor my country's reatilers are responsible for that. There is nothing like forced tuesday releases where I live.

 

i.e. Witcher 2 - released 17 may 2011 (Tuesday) internationaly. One date for everyone. So can it be done ? Sure it can.

 

 

 

Exactly the same case here. Origin digital version  vs  20% cheaper, boxed version from retailers. The choice could't be more obvious in this case.

But why is it like that, shouldn't it be the other way around ? Shouldn't the digital version be cheaper ?

 

the reason digital copies are cheaper is because of the Recommended Retail Price.

 

Publishers charge as much as they want because digitally they can restrict competition (theres not many digital retailers)

 

stores however have to compete with each other directly, my local shopping centre has EB, JB HIFI, Dick Smiths, Target, Big W all selling dragon age inquisition from day one. they also have to compete with online retailers based overseas that don't have our taxes and can ship it from overseas

 

me i pre-ordered the deluxe edition for just $78 dollars for my PS4 from my local by price matching stores.

 

Playstation digital store $99 for the standard edition with no pre order bonuses. this is because there's no option to buy the digital edition other then from playstation.

 

and if i were to buy the PS4 physical copy from EA it would be a whooping $119.50 + postage.

 

that's clearly just pure greed. the biggest myth is that digital downloads will make games cheaper. it wont it makes them more profitable for the publisher, but as they then directly control competition they can mark up the price all they want.

 

the sad part is that none of the extra $44 dollars the EA store is charging flows back to bioware.

and yet both games would come from the exact same warehouse in eastern creek where ALL PS4 disk's in Australia are printed.

[sandokas]

Fight your government and retailers on this, they're the ones who do the Friday releases while NA does Tuesday releases

 

I assure you that the Portuguese government has no say on the online release date for Dragon Age Inquisition. I would be much interested in proof of the contrary so I could do what You suggest.

 

 

The terms of service make no mention of release date bypassing.

http://tos.ea.com/le...TERMS/US/en/PC/

 

Here's an unofficial one.

 

http://i.imgur.com/bkzgPbc.png

 

I'm a moderator on EA's support site and I've talked about release date bypassing with EA staff. I can't link it, because it was on a hidden forum, but they're OK with it

 

The first link seems to be dead: ERR_NETWORK_ACCESS_DENIED

The second link is some kind of assurance, while not an official statement. It seems to be clear that it still is an offense, while not "bannable" in your specific case.

[XMissWooX]

Well, they could always release it on Friday 21st in the UK and Tuesday 25th in NA...

[Milan92]

 

The first link seems to be dead: ERR_NETWORK_ACCESS_DENIED (UPDATE: it is working now)

The second link is some kind of assurance, while not an official statement. It seems to be clear that it still is an offense, while not "bannable" in your specific case.

 

You will only get banned if they find out that you have been using VPN to buy games for a cheaper price. They are fine with early unlock, since they already have your money anyway.

[finc.loki]

So sell me on why would the online release date be any different at a specific part of the world?
This is turning me off so much to buy this game.

I would imagine it has everything to do with physical retail copies. Stores that sell physical copies would probably feel they are at a disadvantage to online retailers if they can sell the games and have players play 3 days before retail copies.

 

This could have been solved with a unified world wide release.

[sandokas]

I would imagine it has everything to do with physical retail copies. Stores that sell physical copies would probably feel they are at a disadvantage to online retailers if they can sell the games and have players play 3 days before retail copies.

 

 

Still, what happens is the opposite. The game is available in retail stores BEFORE the online release.

 

[Joe-Poe]

If we get rid of most of the physical copies we wont have the tue/fri thing going on. If its all digital publishers will have no choice but to have a worldwide release date on all games. It's people who want their cloth maps and whatever else comes in a box thats going to end up on a shelf for the next 10 years gathering dust that are holding us back.

While I think its unfair and doesn't make sense (I live in the US) I rather have my physical copy of the game...If they ever go all digital then the only way I could get on board with that is if they lowered the cost of games by $20 or $30 considering they would no longer have printing/shipping/packaging overhead. I am not about to pay $60+ for download.