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[Frogtoad51]

What was your outcome with Merill's Dalish clan? I personally killed the clan for role playing reasons. I didn't want to kill the clan and I planned on meta gaming around it but having my Hawke be like "I'll take responsibility for this! I won't let this wicked blood mage harm anyone again!" was just too unbearably out of character for her. They attacked me and I killed them.

[Icy Magebane]

I agree with everything you said, and that's why I always kill them in self-defense... there is really no reason for any of my Hawke's to take responsibility for Merrill's actions, especially since they always follow the Rivalry path.  The elves attacked Hawke for simply saying that Marethari was possessed, and in doing so they sealed their own fates.  It's unfortunate that it has to be that way, but I refuse to metagame.

[Hazegurl]

That was pretty much my choice as well. None of my Hawkes take responsibility. He was just there helping out Merril whether he's her friend or otherwise. In the end it was Merril's choice and the last I checked she wasn't a child. Her clan probably should have asked me to walk away while they deal with her and then I can decide if I was okay with that or not. But they attacked me and got what they deserved.

[Xilizhra]

I lie about taking responsibility to them, to avoid a fight. Unlike Aveline, my Hawke knows what to say to avoid a slaughter.

 

 

they always follow the Rivalry path.

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[Bigdoser]

I lie about taking responsibility to them, to avoid a fight. Unlike Aveline, my Hawke knows what to say to avoid a slaughter.

 

 

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Eh I do the same thing considering Merril would not want me murdering her clan even if she disagreed with them considering I am full friendship by that point I think merril could tell I am fibbing to keep things under control.

 

Felt nothing for Marethari. 

[Icy Magebane]

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Easy now... maybe I should say "almost always."  I've recently been playing as a rogue who has had very little contact with Merrill and didn't really care one way or the other about her project... he even gave her the arulen'hom (sp...).  So technically he and Merrill are neutral with one another... 

 

If I played as a mage more often I could see myself going down the Friendship path, but that's just not an option for me.  I simply cannot ignore the fact that Hawke, Anders, and Merrill should have been arrested on about a hundred separate occasions, so I usually don't use mages at all in DA2 (definitely not within city limits unless one of their companion quests requires it).

[Frogtoad51]

What ticked me off was Arianni. First I save her son Feynriel from slavers then I save him from demons. After all that, she shoots arrows at me, without even a word, as soon as the rest of the clan attacks! Some gratitude. My Isabella gave her a quick merciful backstab. I wish I threw a grenade at her now. 

Modifié par Frogtoad51, 16 octobre 2014 - 04:48 .

[KaiserShep]

I was always torn on this, and I generally go back and forth. On the one hand, I really prefer not to wipe out the Dalish, but I feel like choosing the dialogue I feel is more appropriate given my character is more important than sparing them. And, to top it off, the Dalish clan was kind of asking for it. These ornery little field-frolickers make it hard to care to leave them be.

[Icy Magebane]

What ticked me off was Arianni. First I save her son Feynriel from slavers then I save him from demons. After all I did, she starts firing arrows at me without even a word as soon as the rest of the clan starts attacking me! Some gratitude. My Isabella gave her a quick merciful backstab. I wish I threw a grenade at her now. 

Wow, Arianni is kind of a douche...  I didn't even realize she was present for that.  I usually send Feynriel to the Circle, so maybe that's why I never saw her with the clan.  Or maybe I was just too busy trying to stay alive against their unjustified attack to check and see who was who.

[Xilizhra]

Easy now... maybe I should say "almost always."  I've recently been playing as a rogue who has had very little contact with Merrill and didn't really care one way or the other about her project... he even gave her the arulen'hom (sp...).  So technically he and Merrill are neutral with one another... 

 

If I played as a mage more often I could see myself going down the Friendship path, but that's just not an option for me.  I simply cannot ignore the fact that Hawke, Anders, and Merrill should have been arrested on about a hundred separate occasions, so I usually don't use mages at all in DA2 (definitely not within city limits unless one of their companion quests requires it).

I can't write off magehood, both because I find Bethany's arc grossly unsatisfying and because mage Hawke is so heavily promoted that it clearly has to be possible. Varric is presumably leaving out fiddly security stuff.

[Icy Magebane]

I can't write off magehood, both because I find Bethany's arc grossly unsatisfying and because mage Hawke is so heavily promoted that it clearly has to be possible. Varric is presumably leaving out fiddly security stuff.

Varric altering the story a bit might be a decent enough explanation.  I hadn't really considered that before... I wanted to do a mage run in preparation for my mage Inquisitor, but I was unsure if I'd be able to deal with the immersion issues.  I think I'll try your suggestion after I finish this rogue (near the end of Act 3 atm)...  If I combine this with limited interaction with the Templars (not speaking with Cullen at the start of Act 2 and 3 for example), that should be sufficient.

[Xilizhra]

Varric altering the story a bit might be a decent enough explanation.  I hadn't really considered that before... I wanted to do a mage run in preparation for my mage Inquisitor, but I was unsure if I'd be able to deal with the immersion issues.  I think I'll try your suggestion after I finish this rogue (near the end of Act 3 atm)...

What do you do with Bethany? I can't RP leaving her behind, but I hate having her join the Wardens.

[Bigdoser]

What do you do with Bethany? I can't RP leaving her behind, but I hate having her join the Wardens.

Honestly from a role play stand point I leave her behind considering carver got smashed by ogre and after you dad died going by the codex entry Hawke is like the "Man" of the house so to speak. Gotta look after the siblings and the mom so I can't put her at risk as well sucks that she is stuck in the circle. I say to Cullen over my dead body when I get home but Bethany tells me to stop thing is my Hawke would have fought him lol but little sister says no. :<  Honestly after the mage ending I consider Hawke + Love interest and Bethany leaving together so it all works out I think. 

[Icy Magebane]

What do you do with Bethany? I can't RP leaving her behind, but I hate having her join the Wardens.

Ah... well, first, let me just remind you that I hate metagaming.  With that said, I let things play out the way they would realistically.  If Hawke and Anders cannot get along (either because of ideology or the fact that Anders is an abomination), then there is little reason for them to want to spend several weeks in the Deep Roads together.  On the other hand, Hawke tends to feel protective towards Bethany and does not feel comfortable with the idea of leaving her at home when she could be arrested at any moment... so unfortunately Bethany usually dies in my games.  There's usually just no way around it... very rarely she becomes a Grey Warden, but it's usually if I specifically decide to limit interaction between Anders and Hawke so that they don't hate one another before the end of Act 1.  But as I said, that's very rare...

 

It's not ideal, but if I start metagaming, that ruins the story for me... I just try to set up a personality for the PC in advance and have them act accordingly, for good or ill.

[Bigdoser]

Ah... well, first, let me just remind you that I hate metagaming.  With that said, I let things play out the way they would realistically.  If Hawke and Anders cannot get along (either because of ideology or the fact that Anders is an abomination), then there is little reason for them to want to spend several weeks in the Deep Roads together.  On the other hand, Hawke tends to feel protective towards Bethany and does not feel comfortable with the idea of leaving her at home when she could be arrested at any moment... so unfortunately Bethany usually dies in my games.  There's usually just no way around it... very rarely she becomes a Grey Warden, but it's usually if I specifically decide to limit interaction between Anders and Hawke so that they don't hate one another before the end of Act 1.  But as I said, that's very rare...

Considering you are going to be in the deep roads for several weeks why not take the grey warden and the healer? You can even say to anders you want a professional relationship if you want. 

[Icy Magebane]

Considering you are going to be in the deep roads for several weeks why not take the grey warden and the healer? You can even say to anders you want a professional relationship if you want. 

The average Ferelden would want little to do with an abomination, Grey Warden or no... my non-mage Hawkes tend to be superstitious and avoid dealing with the occult whenever possible.  it's just safer that way.

[Bigdoser]

The average Ferelden would want little to do with an abomination, Grey Warden or no... my non-mage Hawkes tend to be superstitious and avoid dealing with the occult whenever possible.

Considering having a mage dad I assume he would teach the kids that not all things are as they seem considering he is a closet blood mage and a templar helped him escape. I just imagine my reaver Hawke to be a bookworm probing him for mage information when he is not teaching bethany. Considering I am not on fire when he got really made eh my Hawke views him as okay. 

 

Plus I was a reaver did not really sweat it considering I am insane enough to drink dragon blood from the dragon at the bone pit(its how I rp getting the spec) personally everyone has their kinks he did not murder me when he is angry and glowing. Plus he is shacked up healing the poor and refugees from fereldan so he seems okay in my eyes. Well that's how I view it. 

[Bigdoser]

With Bethany gone, my mage Hawkes kind of unfairly try to make Merrill into Bethany's replacement.. As if Hawke wanted another little sister who was the sweet, noncontroversial mage. So this leads to conflict with Merrill. She can't be Bethany, so it ends up a rivalry friendship.

Honestly as said before my Hawke views Merril as someone he can relax around and you know let down the hair so to speak a rare and unexpected friend or lover depending on the Hawke. Honestly my Hawke was quite happy when she asked me how I was doing with Bethany taken to the circle I really appreciate that conversation.

[Icy Magebane]

Considering having a mage dad I assume he would teach the kids that not all things are as they seem considering he is a closet blood mage I just imagine my reaver Hawke to be a bookworm probing him for mage information when he is not teaching bethany. Considering I am not on fire when he got really made eh my Hawke views him as okay. 

 

Plus I was a reaver did not really sweat it considering I am insane enough to drink dragon blood from the dragon at the bone pit(its how I rp getting the spec) personally everyone has their kinks he did not murder me when he is angry and glowing. Plus he is shacked up healing the poor and refugees from fereldan so he seems okay in my eyes. Well that's how I view it. 

I'm sure Malcolm also frequently lectured the Hawke children on the dangers of abominations...  it make sense that a non-mage Hawke would have nothing to do with one who openly admits to sometimes becoming "overwhelmed" and not being in control of himself at all times... *shrugs*  That's just my preferred version of Hawke though.  I'm sure I could come up with a number of mundane Hawkes that had no problem at all with Anders if I were so inclined...

[Icy Magebane]

With Bethany gone, my mage Hawkes kind of unfairly try to make Merrill into Bethany's replacement.. As if Hawke wanted another little sister who was the sweet, noncontroversial mage. So this leads to conflict with Merrill. She can't be Bethany, so it ends up a rivalry friendship.

That's an interesting take on the story...

[Bigdoser]

I don't think he's a closet blood mage. He just used blood magic before (against his will). Any mage can use blood at any moment, but a blood mage is someone who persistently does it.

Using blood magic makes you a blood mage you must have the knowledge on how to use it and apply it what he did in legacy fits the bill in my opinion. Just because he longer uses it does not change that fact that he is one.