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Using blood magic makes you a blood mage you must have the knowledge on how to use it and apply it what he did in legacy fits the bill in my opinion. Just because he longer uses it does not change that fact that he is one.
I don't know how he learned it. But from what Janeka said, it was Larius' fault. It didn't sound like Malcolm already was a blood mage.
It doesn't make him a blood mage, when he virtually had a knife to his and his family's throat.
I don't know how he learned it. But from what Janeka said, it was Larius' fault. It didn't sound like Malcolm already was a blood mage.
It doesn't make him a blood mage, when he virtually had a knife to his and his family's throat.
So? Does not change the fact that he is now a blood mage no matter what pre-tense he learned it under he has the knowledge of it now and knows how to use it if anyone ever found out he would be executed instead of being taken straight to the circle.
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So? Does not change the fact that he is now a blood mage he has the knowledge of it now and knows how to use it if anyone ever found out he would be executed instead of being taken straight to the circle.
They wouldn't be executed necessarily. You don't have to kill Idunna, for example, and she's spared by the Templars. And later, she sends a letter saying how sorry she was about it.
It's not like some unforgivable sin or disease that taints you forever. It's just another method of magic (albeit dangerous), that can tempt mages at any time. But also one they can avoid.
Like Xilizhra, I have Hawke say he'll take responsibility, because Tobias Hawke is aware enough to know that they'll not accept any answer that isn't in line with what they want to hear. Their patience is beyond strained at this point. Beyond that, he also knows that Merrill being forced to kill her friends and family, even in self-defense, would more or less destroy her.
He doesn't believe Merrill's truly at fault for what happened, but he is willing to say what needs be said to pacify them.
Like Xilizhra, I have Hawke say he'll take responsibility, because Tobias Hawke is aware enough to know that they'll not accept any answer that isn't in line with what they want to hear. Their patience is beyond strained at this point. Beyond that, he also knows that Merrill being forced to kill her friends and family, even in self-defense, would more or less destroy her.
He doesn't believe Merrill's truly at fault for what happened, but he is willing to say what needs be said to pacify them.
Could not have said it any better honestly.
They wouldn't be executed necessarily. You don't have to kill Idunna, for example, and she's spared by the Templars. And later, she sends a letter saying how sorry she was about it.
It's not like some unforgivable sin or disease that taints you forever. It's just another method of magic (albeit dangerous), that can tempt mages at any time. But also one they can avoid.
Yeah because Hawke spared her the common policy is the murder them and I highly doubt she is coming clean on the whole blood mage thing? At most she handed herself in that she is a mage. Considering she writes to Hawke about the Forbbiden knowledge quest instead of reporting it to the templars and letting them handling it.
Hell if they found out about those books it would of gave them even more reason to kill her or even make her tranquil. The common man and many templars view using blood magic as a kind of taint since its viewed you have to work with demons to learn it. Heck Jowan was going to be made tranquil from learning it from a BOOK.
Even if he explained himself you think they would care? Hence his only option was to escape it was kinda the point of the origin if you question Irving about it plus the kirkwall circle is tougher than the fereldan one.
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Yeah because Hawke spared her the common policy is the murder them and I highly doubt she is coming clean on the whole blood mage thing considering she writes to Hawke about the Forbbiden knowledge quest instead of reporting it to the templars and letting them handling it.
Hell if they found out about those books it would of gave them even more reason to kill her or even make her tranquil. The common man and many templars view using blood magic as a kind of taint since its viewed you have to work with demons to learn it.
We'll found out, I guess. I can't be sure, but I have reason to think she'll have a small part in DAI.
I trust Gaspard less. He lies multiple times. Idunna might be telling the truth.
My Hawke absolutely hated Merrill, but she was honest about Maraethari and the clan attacked her for it. They're all dead.
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I think of it this way..
If you have a drug user friend, and time and time again, you're warned about them.. and yet you enable their behavior. You don't judge them, and you even occasionally drive them to their dealer to get a fix.
If it blows up in your face, you have to take some responsibility. You could have easily shut your friend out, but you didn't. You tried to be too nice and nonjudgemental, and it went bad.
This is why I think Hawke takes responsibility.
Wow, Arianni is kind of a douche... I didn't even realize she was present for that. I usually send Feynriel to the Circle, so maybe that's why I never saw her with the clan. Or maybe I was just too busy trying to stay alive against their unjustified attack to check and see who was who.
I noticed this when I first panned around to see all of the names among the basic mook titles, and I was surprised to see she was one of the archers in the back. This also made it easier to pick my first target. You called me a shemlen for the last time, Terath.
I think of it this way..
If you have a drug user friend, and time and time again, you're warned about them.. and yet you enable their behavior. You don't judge them, and you even occasionally drive them to their dealer to get a fix.
If it blows up in your face, you have to take some responsibility. You could have easily shut your friend out, but you didn't. You tried to be too nice and nonjudgemental, and it went bad.
This is why I think Hawke takes responsibility.
This might be an apt analogy if Merrill's activities ever harmed anyone... but they never do. Neither Hawke nor Merrill bears responsibility for Marethari's treachery.
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This might be an apt analogy if Merrill's activities ever harmed anyone... but they never do. Neither Hawke nor Merrill bears responsibility for Marethari's treachery.
I don't want the analogy to be taken too strictly.. I just want to emphasize the same feeling of the "enabler" role Hawke plays here. Merrill couldn't get a lot accomplished without Hawke. Her questline would just remain stagnant. If you've managed to make it to the end of her questline with Marethari, then Hawke is partly responsible.
I don't want the analogy to be taken too strictly.. I just want to emphasize the same feeling of the "enabler" role Hawke plays here. Merrill couldn't get a lot accomplished without Hawke. Her questline would just remain stagnant. If you've managed to make it to the end of her questline with Marethari, then Hawke is partly responsible.
For... what, exactly? Merrill being at Sundermount at that time? That probably saved Merrill's clan unless you kill them yourself, as otherwise they'd face the Marethari abomination's wrath.
I don't want the analogy to be taken too strictly.. I just want to emphasize the same feeling of the "enabler" role Hawke plays here. Merrill couldn't get a lot accomplished without Hawke. Her questline would just remain stagnant. If you've managed to make it to the end of her questline with Marethari, then Hawke is partly responsible.
The other dialogue choice is "Maretheari was possessed." It's fairly reasonable that this answer would have been the first thing that would pop into Hawke's mind when they are asked what happened... I don't see a problem with choosing this option. Merrill's clan over-reacted and they paid the price.
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The other dialogue choice is "Maretheari was possessed." It's fairly reasonable that this answer would have been the first thing that would pop into Hawke's mind when they are asked what happened... I don't see a problem with choosing this option. Merrill's clan over-reacted and they paid the price.
That was my first choice too.
I'm just saying. I've played the game maybe half a dozen times now and started seeing the different ways it could play out. I think they're all plausible.. not forced.
That was my first choice too.
I'm just saying. I've played the game maybe half a dozen times now and started seeing the different ways it could play out. I think they're all plausible.. not forced.
Well yeah, that's true... different Hawkes are going to answer the question differently. I still find the elves' reaction to the dialogue options annoying... I guess at the very least they are consistent since it's extremely difficult to reason with Dalish elves in DA2, and sometimes outright impossible.
I would've liked to have an option where Marethari gives the clan the full demonic monty.
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Wow, Arianni is kind of a douche... I didn't even realize she was present for that. I usually send Feynriel to the Circle, so maybe that's why I never saw her with the clan. Or maybe I was just too busy trying to stay alive against their unjustified attack to check and see who was who.
I sent him to the circle and made him tranquil this last pt and, although Thrask told me she took poison because she couldn't bare to see him like that, she still showed up when fighting them.
But yeah I normally kill them, they attacked me first I was just defending myself. I agree with an earlier poster they should have just stated they needed to deal with her themselves and let me decide whether to defend her.
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I think their paranoia is natural, considering the history. It makes somewhat more sense if you played a Dalish warden.
People get irrational around mysterious illnesses and tragedies. Look at the Ebola craze, right now as we speak. Sometimes caution gets the better of people. In Marethari's mind, she just got caught up in that caution. The whole clan did.
Merrill is actually unique. She has a natural inclination to study dangerous things (which is the duty of any Keeper really, but Merathari forgot that).
You can also blame Duncan. He's the one who put the idea in Marethari's mind to begin with.
I don't think all of these people deserve to die for it. That's ridiculous. People do all kinds of stupid things, but I don't want to cut them down for it. lol
I sent him to the circle and made him tranquil this last pt and, although Thrask told me she took poison because she couldn't bare to see him like that, she still showed up when fighting them.
But yeah I normally kill them, they attacked me first I was just defending myself. I agree with an earlier poster they should have just stated they needed to deal with her themselves and let me decide whether to defend her.
What? Ugh...
DA2's story wasn't terrible, but it's the accumulation of small inconsistencies like this that really marred it IMO... A few flaws here and there they could have gotten away with, but once they start to add up, problems like this become more difficult to forgive... :/
Btw I think we might see merril's clan in DA:I well I looked in the demo maps and there is a Dalish clan that have the same crest of them..
What? Ugh...
DA2's story wasn't terrible, but it's the accumulation of small inconsistencies like this that really marred it IMO... A few flaws here and there they could have gotten away with, but once they start to add up, problems like this become more difficult to forgive... :/
Yeah I soon fixed the mistake 
I love the dalish, was my favourite bg story and had I been playing my dalish warden instead of Hawke I would have killed Merrill myself in the cave for what she brought on the clan. My Hawkes, mages or not always rival Merrill. They don't condone blood magic and they barely tolerate Anders most of the time.
I found it incredibly counterintuitive how the clan reacted to the different options. But I blame the whole thing on Marethari more than anyone else. She said she took the demon because she cared about Merrill and didn't want her to get hurt, but at the same time she completely poisoned the clan against her by viciously exaggerating the actual danger that Merrill posed, which caused Pol to run straight to his death just to get away from her, and the rest of the clan to attack the freaking Champion of Kirkwall without even stopping to hear a proper explanation.
I have to wonder why, if Marethari knew of the demons plan then why didn't she tell Merrill this in the first place? Of course Merrill probably wouldn't have listened but at least that thought could have stewed in her head.
I have done both. I do not know which one I am going to roll with in the Keep. We saw clearly from DA:O's origin story that there were elves that were very much interested in recovering their artifacts, including Marethari herself, and that was only retconned into oblivion just to prop up Merrill's lame character story as the poor lone wolf hated by her clan. I am not sure if I should play to that tripe by slaughtering them, or if I should put them all out of their misery of writer-induced stupidity.
I think I'll spare them and headcanon that they went back to normal after DA2 Merrill stopped being a thing.
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