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[SmilesJA]

What was wrong with Merrill's story arc? I thought It was great.

[KaiserShep]

I actually really liked that story arc. My favorite moment was Marethari's final words before going all priderific on everyone.

[Icy Magebane]

What was wrong with Merrill's story arc? I thought It was great.

I don't have a problem with Merrill's story arc, my problem is with her clan's reaction to Marethari's death.  But as I said before, it was actually pretty consistent with how intolerant that particular clan was... the wording in the dialogue option where they attack or banish Merrill is still rather annoying.

[KaiserShep]

I rather enjoyed that simply being truthful didn't yield better results.

[Xilizhra]

I actually really liked that story arc. My favorite moment was Marethari's final words before going all priderific on everyone.

Audacity's final words. They're no more Marethari's than anything Uldred said.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Audacity's final words. They're no more Marethari's than anything Uldred said.

 

Yup, and everything Anders said was nothing more than Vengeance talking (see, I can make biased blanket-statements too!)

[Xilizhra]

Yup, and everything Anders said was nothing more than Vengeance talking (see, I can make biased blanket-statements too!)

Not so. When Justice is speaking, he glows. Audacity doesn't have that problem.

[Hazegurl]

Anders tells you plenty of times that he and Justice are now one person fused together and that he doesn't know where he ends or begins.

[Xilizhra]

Anders tells you plenty of times that he and Justice are now one person fused together and that he doesn't know where he ends or begins.

Something constantly contradicted with other dialogue, both when Anders refers to Justice as a separate person (for example, "Justice doesn't let me drink anymore") and when Justice manifests as a separate person.

[Hazegurl]

Something constantly contradicted with other dialogue, both when Anders refers to Justice as a separate person (for example, "Justice doesn't let me drink anymore") and when Justice manifests as a separate person.

Then we can both agree that the writing sucks

[Xilizhra]

Then we can both agree that the writing sucks

Personally, I think Anders is just being dramatic when he says things like that.

[Lulupab]

Anders is very emotional and dramatic and as such when in romance he becomes a hopeless romantic. Talking about love and future all the time. So he might be simply dramatic as Xil said.

 

 

And about merril, I see no reason to murder a whole clan. Even if its a lie I rather tell a lie than to kill them. Do you people like any mage beside Wynne? There is a difference between pro-templar and anti-mage.

[Xilizhra]

There is a difference between pro-templar and anti-mage.

Personally, I would propose that there is not.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Do you people like any mage beside Wynne? There is a difference between pro-templar and anti-mage.

 

Pro-Templar here, and...

(+Wynne)

+Bethany

+Irving

+Morrigan

+Mage!Hawke ... provided he/she rejects Anders' BS.

+Awakening!Anders

+Velanna (for the wrong reasons, admittedly)

+Finn

 

Personally, I would propose that there is not.

 

Shows what you know.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Not so. When Justice is speaking, he glows. Audacity doesn't have that problem.

If you rival Anders, the potion deception and everything that came with it was Vengeance's doing.

[Xilizhra]

If you rival Anders, the potion deception and everything that came with it was Vengeance's doing.

And I didn't rival him, thus having no evidence to be worried about this situation for my Hawke.

[Lulupab]

If you rival Anders, the potion deception and everything that came with it was Vengeance's doing.

 

During act 1 when approval has zero major relevance (it all starts from act 2) when Hawke asks Anders: is Justice controlling him? This is his response (image, emphasize on the word "ONLY"). The codex clearly mentions its Hawke influence, constantly reminding Anders he is a monster, Anders starts to believe it and loses himself. The friendship path however says Hawke's support bolsters Anders' will and he gains full control except when fighting Templars when his anger takes him over and transforms Justice into Vengeance.

 

[Lulupab]

Pro-Templar here, and...

(+Wynne)

+Bethany

+Irving

+Morrigan

+Mage!Hawke ... provided he/she rejects Anders' BS.

+Awakening!Anders

+Velanna (for the wrong reasons, admittedly)

+Finn

 

 

Shows what you know.

 

Lol, some pro Templar you are... 

 

Bethany outright agrees with Anders that something must be done about the condition of mages but she doesn't want to be responsible for violence ( she is nice like that). You know circle mage Bethany's stand on this but if you didn't know she will be furious at Hawke after she comes back at the end of act 3 and finds out Hawke has been sided with Templars.

 

Morrigan would have invited everyone for celebration party after what Anders did. You cannot be more anti-chantry and anti-Templar than Morrigan, she is the peak of hate for everything related to them.

 

Irving and Finn are Wynne in a sense. Worshiping circle as if there can never be a better way to control magic or even improve their daily lives.

 

My jaw dropped when I saw Velanna on that list. I think you know why.

[Lulupab]

I don't know. Maybe. She's unpredictable. She's kind of doing her own thing. She wants you to side with the Templars in DAO, for example.. Just because she thinks the mages there deserve it for being in the Circle in the first place. And she's happy if you kill Wynne, who's defending the Circle.

 

She doesn't "side with Templars" per say, she thinks mages who allow themselves to be puppets of chantry deserve that fate. I kinda laughed when she called Wynne Schoolmistress!

[Mykel54]

Picking "I won´t let Merrill blood magic harm anyone" gives rivalry and spares the clan. It effectively means saying that Merrill was responsible for the death of the keeper, and that you will get her out quickly from there.

 

Picking "Come at me knife-ears" has the obvious result.

 

Picking "Marethari was posessed by a demon, there is nothing we could do" gives friendship and makes the clan go berserk. Why? Because it means that you are blaming Marethari, what you are really saying is that Merrill is not at fault, it is Marethari´s fault that she got posessed. It is logical to see the clan attack you after all they went through, if you blame Marethari for what happened.

 

You know the results because you can metagame, but if you want to roleplay then simply know that the options are:

1) It was Marethari fault!

2) It was Merrill fault!

3) LOL she is dead, stupid knife-ears!

 

You can pick whatever you want, i for one always blame Marethari because the fault that she died was her own, she should have let Merrill pay the price and the risk of getting posessed.

[Icy Magebane]

And I didn't rival him, thus having no evidence to be worried about this situation for my Hawke.

This is no excuse for having tunnel vision.  We as players have access to details about both versions of the plot even if we don't have first hand experience, so both the Friendship and Rivalry paths should be taken into account when analyzing each character.  If you know that Anders attempted to deceive a rivaled Hawke due to Justice's influence, you cannot judge the situation solely on how he interacted with a Hawke who supported his crusade.