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The Explosion and the Breach - I think people have it backwards


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So, from my longtime lurking on this forum (only recently got an account as I was accepted into the Keep), I've seen a lot of discussion of the breach and the explosion at the temple of the sacred ashes which kicks off DAI, and it seems that the most common speculation is that the explosion is simply a result of the Veil being torn by the Elder One as part of some plan to escape the Fade and cross over into Thedas to rule it as a god. 

However, it strikes me that this line of thinking likely has the cause and effect backwards.  Given what we know about the immense amount of magical power required to cross between the mortal realm and the Fade, and the fact that the Veil becomes "thinned" in areas where death has occurred on a large scale, it seems far more likely to me that the explosion was engineered by someone or someones in Thedas as part of a massive blood magic ritual aimed at CAUSING the Breach. 

 

The extinguishing of so many lives in a localized area in the blink of an eye seems like just the right recipe for bringing about an event like the Breach, and there is precedent for it in the lore (as the Tevinter Magisters' crossing into the Golden City is said to have been made possible by their use of blood magic on a grand scale).  We know the Elder One has followers in Thedas - the Venatori - and they strike me as the most likely culprits for this act.  Whether acting with his direction or without, they might well have wished to sunder the Veil in order to facilitate the coming of their deity. 

How they caused the explosion is a trickier question, but I'm inclined to believe it's nothing that a group of powerful Venatori magisters working in concert couldn't pull off with the right preparation. 

I'm interested in people's thoughts on this theory. 


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I always thought it was the followers of the Elder One who were responsible for the Breach that occurred at the peace summit that then causes the Inquisitor to become The Chosen One. Although, it is probably a mix of agents in Thedas carrying out the will of the Elder One and both are directly involved in the Breach.

 

Whether it is due to blood magic or something else is obviously unknown but wouldn't doubt blood magic being involved because it is EEEVVVIIILLLLL!!!!!



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Hanako Ikezawa

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It really depends on whether the Veil was torn on our side of it or the Fade's side. 

 

If on our side, then the explosion caused the Breach. 

If from the Fade, the Breach caused the explosion. 


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Kallen presents an interesting point. This will depend on the nature of the Big Bad, then. Are we facing a supernatural threat, or a mortal threat with supernatural powers? (Alternately to the latter choice: a supernatural threat with mortal followers to do their bidding?)

 

I suspect the third option, but we shall see.


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Kieran G.

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Well of what we've seen of the explosion it reminds me of Anders bomb, and Alexius calls us a mistake in the EoT trailer, not the Elder One. 

 

And it could be very easy for a Tevinter Venatori agent to sneak into the Summit, i would imagine Clerics from the Imperial Chantry would be present so one of them could easily be a Venatori agent.



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So Malachor V again?

 

It's consistent with the way fade breaches have been explained previously, so I approve. In addition I think it makes more sense storywise, as fade beings being able to breach the fade so easily would beg the question of why they haven't done so before. Also it reminds me less of Slaanesh.



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Well of what we've seen of the explosion it reminds me of Anders bomb, and Alexius calls us a mistake in the EoT trailer, not the Elder One. 

 

And it could be very easy for a Tevinter Venatori agent to sneak into the Summit, i would imagine Clerics from the Imperial Chantry would be present so one of them could easily be a Venatori agent.

This. Anders made the chantry lyrium reserves explode with his strange recipe. In the ruined temple there is much more lyrium, so this theory is very plausible.



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If it was indeed a ritual powered by blood, well, there certainly was a lot of blood spilled in Kirkwall.



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Kieran G.

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This. Anders made the chantry lyrium reserves explode with his strange recipe. In the ruined temple there is much more lyrium, so this theory is very plausible.

I mean if Anders who is just a regular mage who may have been a very strong healer but was just a regular circle Mage, while the Venatori are lead by a Magister who could probably make a much more powerful bomb, and with the aid of blood magic, (the victims of which could be the people at the summit since it would take hundreds of bodies to create the breach, which the summit has.) But i can't see how the Elder One activates a bomb from the other side of the Veil and without a already torn Veil i don't know how he can reach through it.

 

So that's why i think the Venatori sneaked in with the Imperial Clerics (which i would assume would be there at least so they could report back to the Black Chantry.) to activate a this bomb. 



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warp rift



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I always figured that mortal agents were responsible for the Breach, though no doubt masterminded by the Elder One.  Tears have always been the result of something happening on this side of the Veil.  If someone found a way to turn the lyrium veins in that mountain into an explosive, a la Anders, combined with the loss of life could surely create something like the Breach.  Though I suspect the Elder One has a more direct role in expanding it once opened.  The smaller breaches are like cracks radiating from from a central hole.



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I think people are right on the money likening the explosion to Anders' bomb.  I also like that it's been brought up that it's also without precedent in the lore for a being from within the Fade to breach the Veil from their side - if the Elder One were able to do this, he'd truly be on another level from anything we've heard of before. 

I hope VERY much that the Elder One isn't something completely new they made up just for Inquisition - or that if he is, he's somehow connected to the taint and the Black City, or Flemeth, or the Eluvian network, or the Enigma of Kirkwall, or some other established mystery within the lore.  Those story threads are just begging to be spun out a bit further and the Dragon Age series needs a more tangible plot through-line if it's to reach its full narrative potential, imho. 



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Following the theory that the Breach was caused from our side. It would mean that the Elder one is a creature from the fade trying to "physically" invade Thedas like the magisters of Tevinter tried to cross from Thedas to the Fade.

 

He would need to bring his spiritual form to a physical world. I think that what was said in the new trailer about "a new world" means that the Breach is possibly something that would make Thedas and the Fade to "mix". Furthermore, I think that is what Sandal meant by his prophecy that everybody will be "just how they were" meaning one with their spiritual form of the Fade and that "all of the magic would come back", the sky open wide and shadows (dreams) would vanish....At least that's my take, how do you see it?