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[Larry-3]

Was there ever a codex on religion in Mass Effect? I read some of the codex entries, but have never taken the time to read them all. I am curious, though: has there been any new testaments? Has aliens joined? What about a church on the Citadel?

As a Catholic I am a little curious. Pope Francis did say that aliens can be baptized, an humanity is destined to branch out into the heavens -- space -- and in 2009, Pope Benedict XVI denounced belief in witchcraft during a visit to Angola. Well humanity did learn how to control dark energy. What if there were some Christian's and Catholics did not believe in the whole dark energy thing. I doubt there would be but you never know. I do not know of any Christian or Catholic opposing science, but I still get the feeling that biotics and religion would have a interesting start. If biotics were real I believe they would be accepted, but Christian's would see them as a gift from God. I know I would, but I would probably abuse my biotics and screw with people. What? I am a Catholic, but I am not perfect. I would be a little renegade. Anyway, was their ever a codex entry? And what category is it under? If there is please let me know. I will not be able to play Mass Effect any time soon, but I am really curious.

[RanetheViking]

I think I read a codex in ME2 (I think) mentioning Turians embracing Siari (Asari) as well as Confuscianism and Zen Buddhism,

 

And as for humans you can bet some people would delve into any new religions that pop up. Whether it's people needing something new, the latest hipster fad thing, or are genuinely trying to 'find answers'.

 

 

Edit: found it: Turian Religions http://masseffect.wi...:_Council_Races

[Larry-3]

I think I read a codex in ME2 (I think) mentioning Turians embracing Siari (Asari) as well as Confuscianism and Zen Buddhism,

 

And as for humans you can bet some people would delve into any new religions that pop up. Whether it's people needing something new, the latest hipster fad thing, or are genuinely trying to 'find answers'.

 

 

Edit: found it: Turian Religions http://masseffect.wi...:_Council_Races

 

Hmm... I will check out the link. Thanks, Rane.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't see many humans delving into Krogan religions, though.

[NoRush20]

Here's a link to the impact on religion that discovering Prothean ruins on Earth had:

 

http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance

 

Start at the beginning, it's covered in the first few paragraphs.

 

There are plenty of entries on religion among the various races, but I think this is the only one I saw pertaining to Human religions. I believe I read this in the codex at one point, not sure though.

[SporkFu]

I don't see many humans delving into Krogan religions, though.

Shuttle lands on Tuchanka. A large group of long-haired robed humans jumps out, flowers in their hair, beating on tambourines.

1st krogan: The hell is this?? 

2nd krogan *shrugs*

Worshiper: We are here to worship the mighty Kalros! She killed a reaper! We must give her proper honor! Will you show us the way?

Group (as one): The way! The way! Show us the way! 

1st krogan: Oh. Uh... sure. Yeah. You have to go to Kalros' monument in the newly restored City of the Ancients. Tell the guard you want to, uhh, worship, the Mother of All Thresher Maws. He'll activate the hammers while you journey to the center of the monument. Then all you have to do is, uhhh, dance and sing.

2nd krogan: And wait.

Worshiper: That's all? 

Group (as one): All! All! That is all!

1st krogan: That's it, friend. 

2nd krogan *nods*

Worshiper: Many thanks, brother.

 

Singing and dancing and beating on their tambourines, the group climbs back on the shuttle, which departs for the City of the Ancients. 

1st krogan *sniff*: Humans.

2nd krogan: Heh heh heh. 

[Cknarf]

I don't see many humans delving into Krogan religions, though.

How about that culture, though?  Headbutt/shotgun everything?  That's something I can get behind.

[NoRush20]

Shuttle lands on Tuchanka. A large group of long-haired robed humans jumps out, flowers in their hair, beating on tambourines.

1st krogan: The hell is this?? 

2nd krogan *shrugs*

Worshiper: We are here to worship the mighty Kalros! She killed a reaper! We must give her proper honor! Will you show us the way?

Group (as one): The way! The way! Show us the way! 

1st krogan: Oh. Uh... sure. Yeah. You have to go to Kalros' monument in the newly restored City of the Ancients. Tell the guard you want to, uhh, worship, the Mother of All Thresher Maws. He'll activate the hammers while you journey to the center of the monument. Then all you have to do is, uhhh, dance and sing.

2nd krogan: And wait.

Worshiper: That's all? 

Group (as one): All! All! That is all!

1st krogan: That's it, friend. 

2nd krogan *nods*

Worshiper: Many thanks, brother.

 

Singing and dancing and beating on their tambourines, the group climbs back on the shuttle, which departs for the City of the Ancients. 

1st krogan *sniff*: Humans.

2nd krogan: Heh heh heh. 

News Reporter: "A religious tourist group heading to worship the thresher maw Kalros disappeared Sunday after beginning what was said to be a musical ritual. While nobody from the group has been found, a couple of Krogan citizens commented that we 'shouldn't expect to find any survivors'."

[Nogroson]

To OP

I also don't recall anything about human religions, but I'm almost sure there are some Codex entries about other races' religion. I think I recall in ME1 Codex entries about Turians and Asari religion

[Quarian Master Race]

Secondary codex has most of them.

http://social.bioware.com/n7hq/codex/
 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Here's a link to the impact on religion that discovering Prothean ruins on Earth had:

 

http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance

 

Start at the beginning, it's covered in the first few paragraphs.

 

Yeah, I always found that Codex entry to be very offhanded and in bad taste.

 

And in my religion, the existence of life outside Earth is more than implied, so it just goes to show how ignorant the person who wrote that is.

[SwobyJ]

-No new testaments.

-Unknown if aliens joined. IMO some might have, but still very few (if you're talking about aliens joining human religions).

-No church on the Citadel.

-Religion still has a place on Earth and in humanity, but it appears that its presence has significantly waned, and instead a general theism/deism wins out. Institutions like the Catholic Church continue though, though we don't know to what extent.

-It is almost guaranteed that a number of humans have tried alien religions, especially siari.

-I'm sure some humans did see biotics in a superstitious light, but given the matter-of-factness way that Citadel species treat it, I don't think that matters too much.

[Kabooooom]

I think I read a codex in ME2 (I think) mentioning Turians embracing Siari (Asari) as well as Confuscianism and Zen Buddhism,

And as for humans you can bet some people would delve into any new religions that pop up. Whether it's people needing something new, the latest hipster fad thing, or are genuinely trying to 'find answers'.


Edit: found it: Turian Religions http://masseffect.wi...:_Council_Races

If I had to pick one religion that would not only survive the news that humans are not alone in the universe, but indeed flourish with it - it would be Buddhism. If I had to pick a spiritual viewpoint that would survive long term and persevere throughout an ever advancing and knowledgeable human society, it would be pantheism.

Thus, I found the concept of the siari religion and the Salarian wheel of life to be particularly realistic. Honestly, I really don't see any of the Abrahamic faiths surviving news of extraterrestrial life. They are fundamentally anthropocentric at their core. Some of their traditions may survive, and people may profess to be a "Christian" or a "Muslim", etc., but the very nature of these faiths requires a special place for mankind in the universe and I have an extremely hard time believing that they are versatile enough to adapt to that. They certainly aren't as adaptable as the eastern faiths.

So while some religions may survive, I doubt that the people who practice Christianity, for example, would adhere to anywhere close to the same theistic beliefs that modern Christians do - except in a general sense.

[Obadiah]

Shuttle lands on Tuchanka. A large group of long-haired robed humans jumps out, flowers in their hair, beating on tambourines.
1st krogan: The hell is this?? 
2nd krogan *shrugs*
Worshiper: We are here to worship the mighty Kalros! She killed a reaper! We must give her proper honor! Will you show us the way?
Group (as one): The way! The way! Show us the way! 
1st krogan: Oh. Uh... sure. Yeah. You have to go to Kalros' monument in the newly restored City of the Ancients. Tell the guard you want to, uhh, worship, the Mother of All Thresher Maws. He'll activate the hammers while you journey to the center of the monument. Then all you have to do is, uhhh, dance and sing.
2nd krogan: And wait.
Worshiper: That's all? 
Group (as one): All! All! That is all!
1st krogan: That's it, friend. 
2nd krogan *nods*
Worshiper: Many thanks, brother.
 
Singing and dancing and beating on their tambourines, the group climbs back on the shuttle, which departs for the City of the Ancients. 
1st krogan *sniff*: Humans.
2nd krogan: Heh heh heh.

That 2nd Krogan is clearly Grunt.

[SporkFu]

That 2nd Krogan is clearly Grunt.

I was gonna make him the doorman of the temple

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Honestly, I really don't see any of the Abrahamic faiths surviving news of extraterrestrial life. They are fundamentally anthropocentric at their core. Some of their traditions may survive, and people may profess to be a "Christian" or a "Muslim", etc., but the very nature of these faiths requires a special place for mankind in the universe and I have an extremely hard time believing that they are versatile enough to adapt to that. They certainly aren't as adaptable as the eastern faiths.

 

=X

 

Want to respond, but don't want to reveal that kind of information about myself. Argh!

[Coming0fShadows]

Babylon 5 handled religion in a sci fi universe really well, im surprised they didnt try and copy that aspect of the show.


I recall in Lair of the Shadow Broker some intel about how Cerberus killed a Pope for being friendly to aliens. There isnt much info about religion though, and honestly im glad because im sure they would screw it up, make it offensive, and generally annoy people (like me).

[DeinonSlayer]

Yeah, I always found that Codex entry to be very offhanded and in bad taste.

And in my religion, the existence of life outside Earth is more than implied, so it just goes to show how ignorant the person who wrote that is.

There does seem to be a bad tendency among sci-fi writers to assume that the first discovery of an extraterrestrial microbe would make religious people the world over curl up in a corner and weep.

[Jorji Costava]

. . . Honestly, I really don't see any of the Abrahamic faiths surviving news of extraterrestrial life. They are fundamentally anthropocentric at their core. Some of their traditions may survive, and people may profess to be a "Christian" or a "Muslim", etc., but the very nature of these faiths requires a special place for mankind in the universe and I have an extremely hard time believing that they are versatile enough to adapt to that. They certainly aren't as adaptable as the eastern faiths.

 

I'm neither an anthropologist nor a religious person, but I do disagree with this. After all, having a special place in the universe doesn't mean having the only place. The Abrahamic faiths found a way to adapt to Copernicus, Galileo and Darwin, and I actually don't think the discovery of extra-terrestrial life would be as earth-shaking for such faiths as the fall of the geocentric model of the universe, or the discovery that humans are entirely on a biological continium with every other organism on this planet. If nothing else, many faiths find a way to persist even in the face of the most recalcitrant evidence, as is suggested by a cursory examination of the history of Millerism.

 

Babylon 5 handled religion in a sci fi universe really well, im surprised they didnt try and copy that aspect of the show.

 

Firefly did a pretty decent job of this as well with the character of Shepherd Book. But my unscientific impression is that these shows are the exception rather than the rule. My guess is that a lot of scifi is just too influenced by the hardline stance of Star Trek (with the notable exception of DS9) on the subject of religion.

 

EDIT: Fixed spelling.

[Coming0fShadows]

 

Firefly did a pretty decent job of this as well with the character of Shepherd Book. But my unscientific impression is that these shows are the exception rather than the rule. My guess is that a lot of scifi is just too influenced by the hardline stance of Star Trek (with the notable exception of DS9) on the subject of religion.

 

Ive been meaning to check out firefly for awhile, heard alot of good things about it.

[Farangbaa]

I think it's rather obvious why Bioware didn't touch on human religion that much. They put Ashley in there to appease the Christians. Making humans believe in Asari religions or something like that would get the whole Christian lobby riled up and wanting to ban the game (you know, that some lobby that has the audacity to want Intelligent Design to be taught in science classes next to Evolution      )

Although they already did so, by means of that moron that claimed there was an explicit customizable (lmao) sodomy scene in Mass Effect. Apparantly they don't even need stuff to be actually in the game to want it to be banned.

(or did I miss something and there really is a sodomy scene in ME1? )

 

For those who don't know:
http://gamepolitics....my#.VED2RJR_v8c
http://www.destructo...omy-64684.phtml

[SwobyJ]

EA shouldn't have to capitulate to any sort of fundamentalist religious concerns. Keep it in mind, sure, but not capitulate to it.

 

I see nothing wrong with continuing deism, theism, and even current religions in sci-fi. I even enjoy some stories having such extent as some sort of Neo-Christianity. The concept's a little old though. I'm not sure I even love the religious symbolism (that I think is) in Mass Effect.

[Kabooooom]

I'm neither an anthropologist nor a religious person, but I do disagree with this. After all, having a special place in the universe doesn't mean having the only place. The Abrahamic faiths found a way to adapt to Copernicus, Galileo and Darwin, and I actually don't think the discovery of extra-terrestrial life would be as earth-shaking for such faiths as the fall of the geocentric model of the universe, or the discovery that humans are entirely on a biological continium with every other organism on this planet. If nothing else, many faiths find a way to persist even in the face of the most recalcitrant evidence, as is suggested by a cursory examination of the history of Millerism.


Firefly did a pretty decent job of this as well with the character of Shepherd Book. But my unscientific impression is that these shows are the exception rather than the rule. My guess is that a lot of scifi is just too influenced by the hardline stance of Star Trek (with the notable exception of DS9) on the subject of religion.

EDIT: Fixed spelling.

The Abrahamic faiths have hardly found a way to adapt to evolution, unless you count a minority of the followers of such faiths who have found a way to intellectually reconcile. Most people just compartmentalize. The Pope recently supporting evolution is a nice step, but hardly sufficient.

And anthropocentric theology precludes the sort of worldview that you suggest. Like I brought up, it is possible to liberally interpret Abrahamic religions in order to make them less anthropocentric, and indeed even supportive of such things like extraterrestrial life. At least the Catholics are trying. But, they are an exception. These religions, in my opinion, are fundamentally not as adaptable as other faiths or spiritual philosophies (such as Buddhism) at integrating this sort of new knowledge.

[RatThing]

There's this dialogue with Ashley in ME3 that's been cut, which also touches the subject of religion.

 

http://www.gameranx....-mass-effect-3/

[BioWareM0d13]

Tell me another story about The Shepard.