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[herkles]

Well my faith, hellenismos(greek polytheistic religion), doesn't really change what I wish for when it comes to being the Herald which is roleplaying choices.

 

I want to play an inquistor who hates the title but regonizes the power it grants him/her, just the same I also want to play a character who tries to embody what Andraste taught; with that changing depending on the character. My Dalish Elf inquistor and human noble inquistor will have vastly different views on the prophet, though both will regonize she was a good woman. 

 

The more choices in the game the better. 

[AshenEndymion]

What you're ignoring is that in that game footage, after saying "don't call me herald" two of the characters with you immediately refer to you as herald. Saying you don't like the title isn't much of a + in bioware's favor if the rest of the game still has everyone calling you the herald.

 

Oh, I don't know... I think it's pretty nice that Bioware will be somewhat realistic and have people that won't care what the Inquisitor thinks, and call him whatever they want.  I'll bet that if Bioware is really going that route, and you truly don't like being called Herald, you'll be able to act like the various dictators, that didn't like being called a dictator by his own people, and execute said people...

[efd731]

Oh, I don't know... I think it's pretty nice that Bioware will be somewhat realistic and have people that won't care what the Inquisitor thinks, and call him whatever they want. I'll bet that if Bioware is really going that route, and you truly don't like being called Herald, you'll be able to act like the various dictators, that didn't like being called a dictator by his own people, and execute said people...

Not sure where you're going with that, but personally, if you say "don't call me that" and one of your advisors and one of your companions immediately starts calling you that like nothing was ever said, that's a failing on bioware's part. That said, maybe they stop calling you that after the cutscene is finished, maybe they use an alternate title, none of us know yet. But if that's the only time it's addressed and the only time we get to decry it to our companions/advisors, I'll be DISSAPOINTED.

Edit: autocorrect, did not mean to go all "CAPS LOCK" on ya lol

[fighterchick]

Yes, and we already know you can opt out of it and outright deny the title.  Nothing to worry about.  

 

Even when the elf said she wasn't the herald of anything, Cassandra ended the conversation by calling you the herald.  I think you can not approve of the title, but I think you're stuck with it either way.

[Giantdeathrobot]

If Bioware plays their cards right, the whole Herald of Andraste thing could be a very interesting role-playing opportunity. There's lots of possibilities; a Qunari, Elf or Dwarf disgusted to be associated in such a way with a faith they find false, a normal Andrastian who thinks it's way above his theological paygrade, an atheist (for the setting) who thinks the entire thing is ridiculous, a very devout Andrastian who embraces the role completely (new self-proclaimed Divine incoming?) or rejects it, a ruthless Inquisitor who doesn't much care but will use it to further their rise to power... the possibilities are numerous.

 

Of course, that assumes Bioware will follow suit. I hope they do. And given they gave us 4 different answers to the title, and that a major theme of the game will be the Inquisitor and the Insuisition increasing in power, I really hope they do follow suit.

 

And yes, I hope people still call you the Herald even if you hate it (unless they are subordinates who disobey a direct order I guess). Not only is it more immersive that the PC can't decide who thinks what, it's another role-playing aspect to have the player deal in various ways with a title they don't like.

 

 

 

[slimgrin]

I have to admit the premise they seem to be setting up is interesting. Hopefully they don't tip toe around the obvious implications. If you're going to address religion, tackle it head on.

[RGC_Ines]

I'm an atheist but I find myself rather fascinated by the idea of my character being thought of as some kind of divine figure. It brings out some neat role-playing possibilities. It would be pretty interesting if the inquisitor could have the option of becoming the new leader of the chantry and have people worship him or something. The whole Herald of Andraste thing sounds like a great excuse to attain a ridiculous amount of wealth and power =P

It could be great but for someone who roleplay andriastian human. They probably would feel great, if theirs PC could be someone like Andraste avatar in the world of mortals. But for me, who is interesting in elves, and ( if it's possible) always play as a Dalish Elf, it doesn't sound too funny. I want to know more about Dalish elves culture and theirs religion, and my PC have her own gods to follow. Fortunetly BioWare don't force me to roleplay elven inquisitor happy with Herald of Andraste title. Honestly I prefer to roleplay Bhaal's daughter in BG, where it's not about religion but more about gods power, than become symbol of one religion.

[Chiramu]

I am a bit upset with being the Herald personally, I don't want to play a character who is the centre of the universe. Hopefully the story plays out differently than us being a second Andraste.

[grumpymooselion]

I'm intrigued by the idea of being a 'divine character' in the sense that, you, being Human, and thus your character being driven by a Human morality, can, and most likely will, disappoint any image another might have of your supposed divinity.

 

Mostly, though, I'm not really into it. I prefer the simpler story of a lesser person, the average person, the basic ideas behind Hawke and DA2 really worked for me. Maybe the execution wasn't perfect by all measures, but the idea of a rags to _____ story, at a base, is good, even preferable for my taste. The real sisue was that it was without question that you'd achieve those riches, from your rags. A story that didn't rely on that, in my mind, where you could get rich, but could remain a raggedy person? I think that's something well worth exploring, especially in RPGs where, too often, the world and its characters center around you, rather than just the story focusing on you because 'that's you.'

[Osena109]

So are we the  Dragon age equivalent of Moses?

[AtreiyaN7]

I tend to find the kind of people who would blindly worship another person as a religious prophet to be exactly the kind of people who usually annoy the living hell out of me, so I would like to stay far away from that (yeah, I'm on the agnostic/atheistic side of the fence). On the other hand, you're right - I can totally see this prophet-worship thing being an easy way to fame, fortune, glory, and lots of shiny gold, heh.

[Rawgrim]

I completed all the avatar challenges in Ultima IV.

 

I consider Ultima IV an authority on the subject, and according to that game, I am now a divine perfect person.

 

 

You, Sir, have earned my deepest respect.

[Osena109]

DA:I dos seem to have Biblical undertones   last supper comes to maid i wonder who will be the judas of Iscariot  selling us out for  thirty pieces of sliver? my money is on Vivi

[Undead Han]

I think it will be fun. I intend to have the Inquisitor be a devout Andrastian who believes his own hype.  Piety and ruthlessness is a scary combo, and he's going to have both in spades.

[Eveangaline]

While I'd love to deny it on my characters who are extremely devout to faiths other than the chant of light, when I eventually make a templar zealot who believes the hype I'm going to love having her go around putting the fear of the maker into everything and insisting that yes, she was personally touched by Andraste herself because the chantry isn't doing enough to punish the heathens.

[TheCreeper]

 It's important to note that Atheism as a concept doesn't really exist in Thedas (because of the Spirits and Fade and whatnot), I think the Devs have said that Morrigan and the Qun aren't not truly Atheistic. 

 

Anyways. I find it interesting. I mean it could lead to some very bad things both short and long term, but on the other hand, it's a great way of rallying support for your cause. And It does raise some interesting questions for RPing. Are you doing it purely out of pragmatic need or do they honestly believe it. Does the title go to their head, causing them to go mad with power. Does this lead to a Dalish Elf reconsidering their faith or perhaps do they find a way to reconcile their elven beliefs with the belief that Andraste herself gave you the power to save the world. Does a Dwarf...Man this would just completely screw with a Dwarf considering their lack of any sort of connection to the Fade before then.

 

 

I have to admit the premise they seem to be setting up is interesting. Hopefully they don't tip toe around the obvious implications. If you're going to address religion, tackle it head on.

While the Devs have gone on record as saying They will never confirm if the Maker is really on not (though I'm pretty sure the truth is buried somewhere in the deep lore)  but I do strongly get the feeling this game will deal with the Andrastian Faith pretty heavily. Mostly because of the Hero trailer and that Glowing figure we apparently see at the start of the game.

[wright1978]

Not sure where you're going with that, but personally, if you say "don't call me that" and one of your advisors and one of your companions immediately starts calling you that like nothing was ever said, that's a failing on bioware's part. That said, maybe they stop calling you that after the cutscene is finished, maybe they use an alternate title, none of us know yet. But if that's the only time it's addressed and the only time we get to decry it to our companions/advisors, I'll be DISSAPOINTED.

Edit: autocorrect, did not mean to go all "CAPS LOCK" on ya lol

 

Agree completely i won't be happy if there aren't alternative titles used if inquisitor makes it clear he despises the title.

[Ieldra]

Yes, and we already know you can opt out of it and outright deny the title.  Nothing to worry about.  

I appreciate the opportunity to protest - at least it will let me play my character the way I want and keeps my roleplaying intact - but what does it matter if I end up as a religious figure anyway? i know I don't get to control these things, but if it happens regardless of my desires, I will hate it. I'm not saying it can't be a great story nonetheless from a more detached point of view, and I'm not saying Bioware is somehow obliged to cater to my preferences in this, but I'll hate it and yes, it will affect my enjoyment of the story.

 

I think it would be appropriate if at least our advisors and companions cease to use the title if we reject it, excepting obstinate cases like Cassandra because it's in character for her. It would be implausible to be able to stamp out such a belief completely, but it is desirable that the number of people who call us that decreases if we deny it. I would dislike having to complain about the absence of a conversation option "I'm not the Herald of anything" because it's first thing I want to say in about 100 dialogue scenes.

 

*If* I can deny it with a modicum of success (meaning that my protest has an effect), however, I'll have a much easier time playing along with it and even appreciating the power it gives me with one or the other of my Inquisitors, because then I won't feel the story has a fundamental pro-faith bias into which I'm co-opted by fiat of the writers. 

[john-in-france]

For maximum RP advantage in playing the Herald, choose a human female Andrastean, because the Chantry priests are female and who knows you could become the next Divine.

 

I also plan a female elf who is going to be the exact opposite, and whines about the title every time it is mentioned.

 

My dwarf will be like Warden Aeducan, very pragmatic, ok, you want me to play Herald for political reasons....I'm good with that!

 

Three very different playthroughs just from that.

[Lebanese Dude]

Green Jesus.

Count me in.

[Vilegrim]

I can't wait for an Arrogant Power Mad *BOW BEFORE ME YOU HEATHENS!* (sorry......I got overcome there for a moment) playthrough.....

 

Would be especially delicious to play that way as an elf.....*You deny my divinity! Off with that Heretic Sister's head!*

 

*gleefully rubs hands together at thought of taking on the mantle of divinity and using it to chop heads off of those that ensalved and imprisioned her people.....all in the name of their own god! *mwahahahahaha**

 

 

my plan was to make mass executions of Chantry hierarchy the price for closing rifts.  Say 40 sisters per rift?

 

On a more serious note: call me 'Herald' no helps for you

[Roamingmachine]

Yeah, the whole herald of andraste thing.....

Spoiler

 

No.

[TheCreeper]

One concern I do have is how it's handled in the game. I don't want embracing it (or at least not rejecting it) to be the darker option, yeah it is a bit less humble then rejecting it but I don't want the game to frame it like I'm some power hungry tyrant for embracing it. If I'm a power hungry tyrant it should be for doing actual power hungry things. Also I don't want it it so that embracing the title through out the game is tied to my support for the Chantry.

 

Admittedly that sounds silly considering embracing the title kinda implies you probably think you understand what Andraste wants for the world better than any divine ever. Not to mention the theological implications of you being  Andraste's Herald and not the maker's  

[grumpymooselion]

One concern I do have is how it's handled in the game. I don't want embracing it (or at least not rejecting it) to be the darker option, yeah it is a bit less humble then rejecting it but I don't want the game to frame it like I'm some power hungry tyrant for embracing it. If I'm a power hungry tyrant it should be for doing actual power hungry things. Also I don't want it it so that embracing the title through out the game is tied to my support for the Chantry.

 

Admittedly that sounds silly considering embracing the title kinda implies you probably think you understand what Andraste wants for the world better than any divine ever. Not to mention the theological implications of you being  Andraste's Herald and not the maker's  

On the other side of that, one wouldn't want the counter options to be the 'dark' options either. It's all about intent, you could embrace it or turn away from it for good reasons, as well as bad and otherwise, and for any number of reasons, be they religious, not religious, and, of course, otherwise again.

[Ieldra]

One concern I do have is how it's handled in the game. I don't want embracing it (or at least not rejecting it) to be the darker option, yeah it is a bit less humble then rejecting it but I don't want the game to frame it like I'm some power hungry tyrant for embracing it. If I'm a power hungry tyrant it should be for doing actual power hungry things. Also I don't want it it so that embracing the title through out the game is tied to my support for the Chantry.

I'm much more concerned about the possibility of having to be an assh*le to everyone in order to effectively reject it. Because you know, that's how these things usually turn out in mainstream stories. What can I really expect from a story whose main antagonist distinguishes himself by rejecting the dominant faith the first time we hear him speak, as if that underscored how evil he is?