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[TheRevanchist]

I find this development interesting, overall. It makes me want to make a female inquisitor, due to the Chantry being female dominated. But my burning love for Cassandra makes this a conflicted choice lol

[Xilizhra]

Originally, no. But now that I know that the Chantry explicitly disapproves of it, I'm more open to the idea.

 

"Schism, Serah Hawke."

[Xilizhra]

That is how history determines great men, those who are truly worthy. Look at George Washington. The man could have been King of America, but refused, despite everyone dropping to their knees, practically begging him. Because of that reluctance, everyone reveres his integrity. Look at Julius Caeser. Mark Anthony offered him the title of King of Rome. He denied it, several times. The people embraced him for it, and became Dictator for life.

 

Those who deny, are regarded as the ones who most deserve it. 

Strangely, this didn't apply to Augustus.

 

 

I hope my pro-Chantry Inquisitor gets angel wings and an aureola.

I'm pretty sure everyone has two of the latter...

[TheRevanchist]

Originally, no. But now that I know that the Chantry explicitly disapproves of it, I'm more open to the idea.

 

"Schism, Serah Hawke."

 

My hope, is there is a way to change the Chantry's opinion of you having the Title. Gain their support for you and your inquisition.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I find this development interesting, overall. It makes me want to make a female inquisitor, due to the Chantry being female dominated. But my burning love for Cassandra makes this a conflicted choice lol

 

But the rightful rulers of Thedas - the Tevinter - has a male dominated chantry. You could always RP a Tevinter agent or sympathizer.
This way you could further legitimize the Tevinter Imperium by swearing alliegance to them. This would be an incredible power-tool politically.

[TheRevanchist]

But the rightful rulers of Thedas - the Tevinter - has a male dominated chantry. You could always RP a Tevinter agent or sympathizer.
This way you could further legitimize the Tevinter Imperium by swearing alliegance to them. This would be an incredible power-tool politically.

 

No...Tevinter can burn in hell...

[Xilizhra]

But the rightful rulers of Thedas - the Tevinter - has a male dominated chantry. You could always RP a Tevinter agent or sympathizer.
This way you could further legitimize the Tevinter Imperium by swearing alliegance to them. This would be an incredible power-tool politically.

I don't think that would work. The Imperial Chantry doesn't believe that Andraste was divine.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

No...Tevinter can burn in hell...

It seems we are to be enemies you and I  

 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I don't think that would work. The Imperial Chantry doesn't believe that Andraste was divine.

Duh... so much for my brilliant plan.

[herkles]

But the rightful rulers of Thedas - the Tevinter - has a male dominated chantry. You could always RP a Tevinter agent or sympathizer.
This way you could further legitimize the Tevinter Imperium by swearing alliegance to them. This would be an incredible power-tool politically.

 

don't forget to pick all the jerk opitions so that your inquistor is a proper tevinter, aka an enslaving power-hunger mage who is a jerk and has little to no redeeming qualities. 

 

 

I do hope that if we see more of the tevinter we can see characters that are more 3 dimensional character with redeeming qualities as we haven't encountered more then a few who are not either slaves, power-hungry mages and slavers. 

[TheRevanchist]

don't forget to pick all the jerk opitions so that your inquistor is a proper tevinter, aka an enslaving power-hunger mage who is a jerk and has little to no redeeming qualities. 

 

 

I do hope that if we see more of the tevinter we can see characters that are more 3 dimensional character with redeeming qualities as we haven't encountered more then a few who are not either slaves, power-hungry mages and slavers. 

 

But...thats all there is to Tevinter, thats why we don't see anything else

[Dabrikishaw]

Yes, very.

[Shahadem]

"I hope my pro-Chantry Inquisitor gets angel wings and an aureola."

 

I'm pretty sure everyone has two of the latter...

 

I think they both want to gain angelic wings and be a witch, which means they will need a third nipple for the demon to suck their blood.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

don't forget to pick all the jerk opitions so that your inquistor is a proper tevinter, aka an enslaving power-hunger mage who is a jerk and has little to no redeeming qualities. 

 

 

I do hope that if we see more of the tevinter we can see characters that are more 3 dimensional character with redeeming qualities as we haven't encountered more then a few who are not either slaves, power-hungry mages and slavers. 

Morals are defined by culture. Having a slave is not inherently evil.

Examples: Roman Empire. Claudius has a slave. The slave is treated well and his/her life was actually an improvement from the pre-slave life. Sure may be a rare case but... being a slave owner doesent neccisarily make you a bad person. Neither does being power hungry. A person can be power hungry but use the power gained for good. Augustus was a benevolent dictator for example. 

A RL doctor saving lives each day can still be a jerk and a d0uchebag

Note: I find your post slightly confusing because you ask for Tevinters with redeeming qualities. You seemed to assume that being a slaver or being power-hungry automatically makes a person an evil jerk regardless of other qualities.

[SofaJockey]

as long as i have an option to say "**** off, I'm not your jesus." (and present myself as a non-prophet)

 

What will be interesting is what effect it has on the Inquisition's power if the Inquisitor goes along with it.

[herkles]

Morals are defined by culture. Having a slave is not inherently evil.

Examples: Roman Empire. Claudius has a slave. The slave is treated well and his/her life was actually an improvement from the pre-slave life. Sure may be a rare case but... being a slave owner doesent neccisarily make you a bad person. Neither does being power hungry. A person can be power hungry but use the power gained for good. Augustus was a benevolent dictator for example. 

A RL doctor saving lives each day can still be a jerk and a d0uchebag

Note: I find your post slightly confusing because you ask for Tevinters with redeeming qualities. You seemed to assume that being a slaver or being power-hungry automatically makes a person an evil jerk regardless of other qualities.

 

 

The thing is those are fleshed out people. Where as all the Tevinters we have shown are just mainly slavers or power-hungry mages. They don't have any other qualities but being evil. They so far are just evil jerks because they haven't shown anything good about them.

 

Take Bahlen Aedducan, he is clearly power-hungry but he helps the people of Orzammar out. The caste system becomes weaker and the casteless lot improves. He helps his people while still doing things to gather power. Where is the Tevinter version of that. 

[TheRevanchist]

Honestly I am surprised to hear the Chantry dislikes this concept. You have the Left and Right hands of the Divine herself under your command now. If the Divine hated this why would she allow that? Cassandra's loyalty to the Divine simply cannot be questioned at this point, lets be serious.

[AshenEndymion]

Honestly I am surprised to hear the Chantry dislikes this concept. You have the Left and Right hands of the Divine herself under your command now. If the Divine hated this why would she allow that? Cassandra's loyalty to the Divine simply cannot be questioned at this point, lets be serious.

Supposedly, Divine Justinia V is dead.  Died in the explosion at the temple.  What her Hands think on the course of the Chantry, or what they believe Divine Justinia felt about the course the Chantry should take, doesn't really matter. Primarily because the Chantry is to be led by the new Divine, chosen among the remaining Grand Clerics.
 
As a Herald of Andraste could take power away from the new Divine, whomever that would be, it shouldn't be surprising that the College of Clerics might denounce the Inquisition as heretical.

[X Equestris]

Honestly I am surprised to hear the Chantry dislikes this concept. You have the Left and Right hands of the Divine herself under your command now. If the Divine hated this why would she allow that? Cassandra's loyalty to the Divine simply cannot be questioned at this point, lets be serious.

The Divine and her supporters are very likely dead by this time, killed off in the explosion at the Temple. That leaves the other Grand Clerics struggling for the position. Someone being acclaimed the Herald of Andraste is a threat to their political machinations.

[EdwinLi]

No not really because I'm not the religious type. 

 

I'll most likely pick the dialogues that I would say if I was in the Inquisitor's position anyways. 

[Gtdef]

I wonder how this will be handled. Will we be able to play the prophet or it's just something that npcs will call us? My first reaction would be to use the title to gain support. I'd like to see a subplot that deals with the morality of the matter.

[Al Foley]

Yea I wish they had not gone this route. Makes no sense to me if you are playing as Dalish or Qunari but perhaps they will explain it away in the actual game...but still

 

Am I the only one who really feels the opposite?  Can you imagine the collective bunching of panties from all those Chantry Sisters/ Mothers/ etc if you had a Qunari (looking) being running around not only being said to be the chosen of Andraste by a segment of the population but also running around proclaiming the fact themselves?  In other words rubbing their noses in it?  I mean I am a semi fan of the Chantry and still the idea has a lot of appeal ffrom a role playing perspective to create a Qunari warrior who says 'yes, I am the Herald of Andraste, bow before me and worship my feet'. 

[Altima Darkspells]

Honestly I am surprised to hear the Chantry dislikes this concept. You have the Left and Right hands of the Divine herself under your command now. If the Divine hated this why would she allow that? Cassandra's loyalty to the Divine simply cannot be questioned at this point, lets be serious.

It's also possible that this is an example of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. The Divine has demonstrate tolerance for using agents and methods that work against the Chantry's official stance in order to do what she thinks is right.

If I were the Divine, publically denouncing the Inquisition while supplying it on the sly, would be an attempt to replace the lost military arm since the Templars and Seekers ran off. Best case scenario, the Inquisition performs admirably, gains massive respect along the lands, and is absorbed back into the Chantry.

Worst case scenario, the Inquisition becomes a scourge on the land and after the breach is closed, high level agents loyal to the Chantry can quietly remove the Inquisitor and have the organization implode on itself.

[Shahadem]

Morals are defined by culture. Having a slave is not inherently evil.

 

This is only partially true. Some morals are defined by nature and some by culture. Something which is naturally immoral is something that we do or could do to another which we don't want to have happen to ourself. Such as torture being naturally immoral. And murder. And theft.

 

Having a slave is naturally evil, because you are denying someone the freedom they have from nature and you are doing so for your own benefit and knowing all the while that you yourself do not want the situation to be reversed. It doesn't matter whether this is culturally acceptable or not, it is still morally evil regardless of your culture. No one who kept a slave was ever in the dark about whether they were impinging on someone elses freedom to choose their own life, they simply didn't care.

[Ieldra]

I don't think that would work. The Imperial Chantry doesn't believe that Andraste was divine.

Nor does anyone else, actually. Andraste is regarded as inspired by and connected to the Maker, certainly, but also as human.