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[Ieldra]

Am I the only one who really feels the opposite?  Can you imagine the collective bunching of panties from all those Chantry Sisters/ Mothers/ etc if you had a Qunari (looking) being running around not only being said to be the chosen of Andraste by a segment of the population but also running around proclaiming the fact themselves?  In other words rubbing their noses in it?  I mean I am a semi fan of the Chantry and still the idea has a lot of appeal ffrom a role playing perspective to create a Qunari warrior who says 'yes, I am the Herald of Andraste, bow before me and worship my feet'. 

Even better, imagine a qunari mage being regarded as the Herald of Andraste. My qunari mage will embrace the title. I'm just worried about my human mage who'd really resent inadvertently helping to spread the faith in the Maker.

[Almostfaceman]

Nor does anyone else, actually. Andraste is regarded as inspired by and connected to the Maker, certainly, but also as human.

 

Good point.

 

[AshenEndymion]

Nor does anyone else, actually. Andraste is regarded as inspired by and connected to the Maker, certainly, but also as human.

 

Those that regard Andraste as the Maker's bride, would consider her to be a divine being...  Not while she was on Thedas, mind you, but when she took her place by the Maker's side after her mortal death.

 

The Imperial Chantry does consider Andraste a divine being, and believes she was taken to the Maker's side following her death.  The biggest difference between the Imperial Chantry and the Andrastian Chantry(beyond the obvious "magic exists to serve man..." bit) is that the latter worships Andraste as much as the Maker(if not more), while the former just worships the Maker, but recognizes Andraste as a very important person within the faith.

[JustValiant]

The Divine and her supporters are very likely dead by this time, killed off in the explosion at the Temple. That leaves the other Grand Clerics struggling for the position. Someone being acclaimed the Herald of Andraste is a threat to their political machinations.

 

I rather think that some of them - if they realize they cannot avoid the faith in the herald - will try to instrumentalize him/her in this struggle.

[AshenEndymion]

I rather think that some of them - if they realize they cannot avoid the faith in the herald - will try to instrumentalize him/her in this struggle.

 
Isn't that exactly what Leliana and Cassandra are doing?

[TheRevanchist]

Supposedly, Divine Justinia V is dead.  Died in the explosion at the temple.  What her Hands think on the course of the Chantry, or what they believe Divine Justinia felt about the course the Chantry should take, doesn't really matter. Primarily because the Chantry is to be led by the new Divine, chosen among the remaining Grand Clerics.
 
As a Herald of Andraste could take power away from the new Divine, whomever that would be, it shouldn't be surprising that the College of Clerics might denounce the Inquisition as heretical.

 

Honestly, really beginning to hate this "Explosion". It seems so very convenient that pretty much every single important person in Thedas happened to be there.  

[X Equestris]

I rather think that some of them - if they realize they cannot avoid the faith in the herald - will try to instrumentalize him/her in this struggle.

I wouldn't be surprised if some might try to later on in the story, but in the beginning, the Inquisition is weak and the Inquisitor is a virtual unknown. Even without the political reasons, the Chantry would have theological reasons to be skeptical of someone being called Herald, since they believe that the Maker doesn't take much of an active role in the world. The Inquisitor being a messianic figure sent to save the world would seem to contradict that.

[WillieStyle]

I'm a bit tired of being the "Chosen One", to be honest.  I personally prefer just playing the guy who finds himself in the wrong place at the right time.

 

I agree.  Sadly, after all the whining about DA2's Hawke, we will likely never experience that in a Bioware game again.  Between that and all the complaining about Shepherd's heroic death, I'm beginning to think that the worst thing about Bioware is its fans.

[TheCreeper]

I'm a bit tired of being the "Chosen One", to be honest.  I personally prefer just playing the guy who finds himself in the wrong place at the right time.

Really isn't this the first time we've been the "chosen one" in DA game?

[WillieStyle]

Really isn't this the first time we've been the "chosen one" in DA game?

The Warden is literarily the chosen one.

[WillieStyle]

*Double Post*

[SwobyJ]

I wouldn't consider the Warden to be such an absolute Chosen One. I mean, its explained several times that the Warden could very well walk away from Ferelden and few would be the wiser. The Inquisitor is a whole other level. Stronger Chosen One tropes have the protagonist literally chosen to go on his specific journey. I wouldn't even call Shepard a Chosen One, at least until ME2-ME3 (depending on if you see him being guided by the Reapers or somethin).

 

But I understand all Bioware protags being Chosen Ones to some degree. Someone higher than them seeing the promise in the protag and this forming more and more of a destiny. I just think that the Inquisitor seems to represent the trope (and as we might see, subversions of the trope... again, we'll see) in the biggest way... ever, in a Bioware game. I mean really, the Herald of Andraste???

[WillieStyle]

I wouldn't consider the Warden to be such an absolute Chosen One...

...Stronger Chosen One tropes have the protagonist literally chosen to go on his specific journey.

Huh?! Doesn't this literally describe the Warden from DA:O? In fact, the special, I mean Warden, gets chosen twice: first by Duncan, and again by Flemeth. What am I missing here?

[SgtSteel91]

My first play through will be a female warrior Trevelyan, looks like Andraste, but does not believe in the Maker, hates the title, will help the Mages, try to give the Elves a homeland, and will be will be strictly secular in her role as leader of the Inquisition. She won't be looking to destroy the Chantry, but she won't go out of her way to help them reclaim their former power.

 

I want her to be what Andrastians want their Herald to be, only for her to reject their expectations in all things except fighting to close the breach and protect Thedas.

[WillieStyle]

One of the things I love about Thedas is the way Bioware dealt with elves. It's a very fresh non-Tolkien depiction. But considering how widely distributed and assimilated most elves are, giving them their way own homeland sounds like a recipe for ethnic cleansing. At least if the humans in Thedas are anything like the humans on earth.

[SgtSteel91]

Okay, the Homeland for Elves thing may not be possible in this game but I will have her be more helpful and sympathetic to elves (City and Dalish) than the average Human Noble.

[SwobyJ]

Huh?! Doesn't this literally describe the Warden from DA:O? In fact, the special, I mean Warden, gets chosen twice: first by Duncan, and again by Flemeth. What am I missing here?

 

For Duncan, it was supposed to be a Grey Warden effort that 'The Warden' was only going to be a smaller part of.

 

For Flemeth, this is more true. She specifically chooses The Warden. However, we have no idea what this is for. She sets us off, but with inconsistent words to explain herself. Sometimes its to stop the Blight. Sometimes its just to buzz off and leave her be. Sometimes its to assist Morrigan with 'plans'.

 

Clearer Chosen One examples involve something like a prophecy, divine intervention, the whole world actively depending on the specific person (typically protagonist) to be victorious/successful. Like I wouldn't say Shepard is as much one in ME1 (even though he was 'chosen' by the Alliance/Council), but Shepard in ME3, by the very end, becomes THE Chosen One.

 

Hawke definitely wasn't a Chosen One. He was a relative nobody that kept attracting attention and events. If anything, he was chosen by Flemeth to sow chaos, but that's not one of the clearer Chosen One cases.

 

Getting just 'chosen' by others doesn't make a very strong case to be 'The Chosen One'. Better examples are Neo, Luke Skywalker, people like that (typically male, which kinda annoys me). People who appear chosen by the universe itself to play out their story. The Warden and Hawke didn't really go that far, but once you get a protagonist that is said to have the direct blessing and appointing by The Maker himself, well...
 

 

 

I'd say that Bioware writes most of their protagonists as if they are all the Chosen One (part of a good power fantasy), but it isn't really something that they rely on when it comes down to it. All of their previous protagonists could still be understood to just be 'anyone'. Any other soldier could have been Shepard, at first. Any other mage/rogue/warrior could have been the Warden. Any other human could have been Hawke. It was their specific placement and how they reacted to things as a character that made them not 'Chosen' (at least at first), but independent. Chosen Ones typically in a story have little to no freedom in them being set on their destiny or not*.

 

 

*I'd still say that Shepard becomes more and more Chosen as the trilogy continues, but ME1 Shepard is definitely NOT a good example of a Chosen One (the beacon certainly wasn't intended for him specifically). And while Flemeth sets Warden/Hawke on their paths, in the story these protagonists are quite free to go off somewhere else. I don't think the Inquisitor will have that freedom, but will be instantly thrust into greatness by other entities.

 

Maybe pre-Breach Inquisitor wasn't a Chosen One, but as far as the game's narrative will probably go, post-Breach Inquisitor will be the biggest Chosen One of maybe any previous Bioware game (though I don't have much experience with BG/NWN).

[TheCreeper]

Honestly, really beginning to hate this "Explosion". It seems so very convenient that pretty much every single important person in Thedas happened to be there.  

To be fair we don't know who is there really. People are just exaggerating based on speculation. We know the Divine is dead (She has to be, otherwise last week's stream makes no sense) but beyond that we know it it numbered in thousands and contained some moderates from both sides of the mage templar war along with people helping out, spies from everywhere, and Mercs keeping the peace. Beyond that we have  no idea of the specifics..

[greywatch]

I'm really excited for this, actually. Being such a key figure ought to allow plenty of fun role-playing options - I expect every opinion about being called the Herald will be available as an option in the game. I haven't decided how I want to play it in my first playthrough, but I figure I'll just go with however I feel at the moment when the choice pops up.

 

(Not atheist, here, but I don't actually find that relevant to this subject. Your real life choices are separate from the in-game choices, esp since faith in God irl does not correlate to automatically siding with the first thing that seems vaguely monotheistic in fiction. But since everyone else is disclosing...!)

[Bekkael]

The roleplaying potential in all this sounds delicious. I especially look forward to seeing how race and class impacts your options, and the reactions of those around you.

[TheRevanchist]

Bioware, to my knowledge, has only done "The Chosen One" outright, three times. BG, JE, and now DAI. 

[TheRevanchist]

Tho I am curious, how can your character realistically go from getting Cassandra's sword pointed at him for being some kind of weird freak that lived, to being the leader of not only her, but of a massive organization all in the span of what I assume will be at most 15 minutes of game time. 

[Reznore57]

I'm kind of intrigued?

I mostly wonder where the story is going with the whole thing...

 

It's possible we're going to be left in the dark about the glowy hand at the end.Was it dumb luck or divine intervention , I feel like we won't know for sure.

There's also the whole political thing about the "divine" stuff , humans are still following the teaching of Andraste and now a new "Chosen One" is there ,it's pretty conveniant with the templar/mage war. (and the Breach)

I doubt the Maker is going to talk to the Inquisitor and the Inquisitor is going to sing back whatever He says to the world,.

Which make me believe The Inquisitor won't get as "holy " as Andraste well as far as history goes...The Inquisitor is lacking the prophet thing.

 

It would be hilarious if we could pretend the Maker is talking to us .

But I doubt it's going to happen.

[Han Shot First]

Tho I am curious, how can your character realistically go from getting Cassandra's sword pointed at him for being some kind of weird freak that lived, to being the leader of not only her, but of a massive organization all in the span of what I assume will be at most 15 minutes of game time. 

 

I imagine something goes down between that confrontation and your character being put forward as the leader of the Inquisition, where your character closes a breach in front of Cassandra. An ability to zip up fade tears would be a fairly compelling reason to put you in charge of cleaning up the demons spilling out of the fade business. Also if the Inquisitor tells the story of how he or she got the fade closing ability (likely from that being of light you meet in the Fade), some people are probably going to interpret that as an ability given to you by Andraste. If your character is devout...maybe he or she even believes it as well.

[X Equestris]

Tho I am curious, how can your character realistically go from getting Cassandra's sword pointed at him for being some kind of weird freak that lived, to being the leader of not only her, but of a massive organization all in the span of what I assume will be at most 15 minutes of game time.

It probably has something to do with the Inquisitor's ability to close tears and stabilize the Breach. From the little bit we saw in the recent demo, I think we start out at a more equal position with Cassandra and the others, with us developing into the primary leader over time as the Inquisition grows in power and notoriety.