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[Ailith Tycane]

Explanation: Not everyone needs to want to **** you. /thread

[Dust]

I see these Cole has mentality of child posts although his current writer confirmed this isn't true, he's just unable to consent since he doesn't understand sexual things as spirit. Wasn't this what Patrick Weekes said on the issue?

 

Cole realised in the end of Asunder what he is: spirit. So I don't think he anymore sees world as "Cole". Also I don't want childsoldier to my troops so I'd rather just have him around as spirit.

 

EDIT: Also Cole is not a corpse! Templars destroyed body of the "Cole" (child who died in the prison) so that anyone didn't catch them for their crime. So Cole hasn't possessed anyone, not a corpse etc.

 

Yeah, I wonder why would people ever believe that he is a child? The book clearly depicted his ability to draft & execute a thoughtful plan. He can remain calm under the pressure and he suffered a lot, to me he is even overly matured in some point.

 

If social isolation will stop people from growing, would Solas be a child too?

[CrimsonN7]

Explanation: Not everyone needs to want to **** you. /thread

 

Spoiler

Cassie, let me love u :S

[Ailith Tycane]

Spoiler

Cassie, let me love u :S

 

Don't remind me.

[Incantrix]

I'm starting to believe that Vivienne is in love with someone else. I have great reason to believe it's an Orlesian noble. 

[Shahadem]

I was just about to say that myself. Would anyone romance Justice? I don't think so...

 

The smell of that rotting corpse alone would probably make you hurl from a half mile away.

 

I just don't see how benefit is worth the cost of dragging along a rotting corpse. I also don't understand how a rotting corpse is able to stay together, much less move.

 

And that's one of the reasons why necromancy makes no sense at all. You are trying to animate something that is completely immobile and in many cases wouldn't be able to keep itself together. So there is no way to actually create an undead from a corpse because a corpse is not an object capable of becoming mobile due to the fact that all the tissue necessary to make it mobile is gone. And the bones would be even weaker than those in a living human. Necromancy just doesn't work.

 

Now if you want to turn a living person into an undead like a vampire, or rip out souls and attach them to golems, then that's a completely different story and would actually be worth the amount of time and effort expended. That's the only type of necromancy that makes sense.

[Chiramu]

Cole is a spirit, it would be like trying to romance Justice if he wasn't merged together with Anders.

 

Varric is already in love, Vivienne must have her own reason.

[JerZey CJ]

How 'bout they just don't wanna bang you? I mean seriously, does every person who doesn't want to have sex with your Inquisitor need a reason why? I thought people were tired of Bioware protagonists being irresistible sex magnets to everyone around them?

[Aolbain]

'Cause they're not?

[Panda]

It took Kristoff years to decompose. Still a corpse. 

 

Then, how does corpse grow up like human? Human Cole died as child (was it 11-12, I don't have book with me) but Rhys descripes him to be around 20. It doesn't make any sense to me that spirit Cole is in corpse. Rather I think he's having hard time maintaining or even creating human form and this is why he looks odd.

[Killdren88]

Not everyone has to be attracted to the Inquisitor. The World won't end if you can't romance it.

 

[The Night Haunter]

I wasn't aware they had to give a reason why something doesn't want to bang the Inquisitor...

 

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[Dust]

Then, how does corpse grow up like human? Human Cole died as child (was it 11-12, I don't have book with me) but Rhys descripes him to be around 20. It doesn't make any sense to me that spirit Cole is in corpse. Rather I think he's having hard time maintaining or even creating human form and this is why he looks odd.

 

Or it’s probably just Facial Spider Symptoms, - high amounts of sun exposure can lead to the development of facial spider veins, especially if you have a fair complexion. Cole spent at least 8 years in white spire dungeons and suddenly exposed too much to the sun. It's reasonable.

 

And that can also explain why he was standing in Western Desolation and why he has that ridiculous hat.

 

What facial spider veins look like: ( beware of nasty photos.)

Spoiler

 

[Dust]

Double posted

 

 

[Panda]

Or it’s probably just Facial Spider Symptoms, - high amounts of sun exposure can lead to the development of facial spider veins, especially if you have a fair complexion. Cole spent at least 8 years in white spire dungeons and suddenly exposed too much to the sun. It's reasonable.

 

And that can also explain why he was standing in Western Desolation and why he has that ridiculous hat.

 

What facial spider veins look like: ( beware of nasty photos.)

Spoiler

 

Intresting, I didn't know about thing like that! The devs seem to have done their reserarch

[Lara Denton]

I'm starting to believe that Vivienne is in love with someone else. I have great reason to believe it's an Orlesian noble. 

I believe so too. I have nothing to base this on, but I think her heart is taken. 

[KoorahUK]

The smell of that rotting corpse alone would probably make you hurl from a half mile away.

 

I just don't see how benefit is worth the cost of dragging along a rotting corpse. I also don't understand how a rotting corpse is able to stay together, much less move.

 

And that's one of the reasons why necromancy makes no sense at all. You are trying to animate something that is completely immobile and in many cases wouldn't be able to keep itself together. So there is no way to actually create an undead from a corpse because a corpse is not an object capable of becoming mobile due to the fact that all the tissue necessary to make it mobile is gone. And the bones would be even weaker than those in a living human. Necromancy just doesn't work.

 

Now if you want to turn a living person into an undead like a vampire, or rip out souls and attach them to golems, then that's a completely different story and would actually be worth the amount of time and effort expended. That's the only type of necromancy that makes sense.

How does it work?


 

[the inquisitor94]

How does it work?


 

I was about to answer that magic has it way of doing the impossible.

[Reptillius]

Aren't Viv and Leliana like rather old friends? has anybody considered the possibility that the two of them may already be in a bit of a relationship with each other?

[Reptillius]

Hey. Trees can't move either but spirits do a pretty good job of making them get up, walk around, and beat on you with a passion. If they can do that to a tree it shouldn't be too hard with a corpse.

[Basement Cat]

Aren't Viv and Leliana like rather old friends? has anybody considered the possibility that the two of them may already be in a bit of a relationship with each other?

Nope. It's Josephine who's friends with Leliana.

 

Vivienne strikes me as someone who's married to the job.

[House Lannister]

Hang on a minute, my Inquisitor is the Thedas version of Hugh Hefner, everyone wants him. He gets all the ladies.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Simple.

 

Leliana is either potentially already taken or just not interested. Or both.

 

Varric just isn't interested.

 

Vivienne just isn't interested.

 

Cole would just be downright creepy. 

Cole: Agreed. For previously stated reasons.
Varric: Somewhat agree, we need to know more about Varric's past.
Vivienne: Don't agree but cant disagree. We dont know her personality and character enough to state that "just not interested" is a valid argument.

Leliana: Based on her personality and character there is no logical reason she would not be interested in the Inquisitor romantically if we take the warden out of the equation.

As for the Warden + Leliana:

1) 1/2 chance that the warden never recruited her
2) 1/2 chance that the warden had to kill her in self-defense (urn of sacred ashes)
3) 1/5 chance the warden romanced her (One option being no romance)
4) Warden cant father children and has limited life span, these factors should be taken into account as for her desire to choose a future with the warden
5) The warden could die killing the archdemon (1/2)

So at best we have a probability of about 10% chance that Leliana and the Warden was in love and alive at the end of DA:O.

Even if they were in love, the warden disappears or is missing.
Even if they were in love, and the warden + Leliana was together in secret- the chances of a breakup of any sort is also a possibility.

Also a lot of people did not play DA:O - makes for the default cannon.

Conclusion: There is absolutely no reason for Leliana not to be a romance option from a logical and reasonable perspective in the events of DA: Inquisition on a basis of character, personality, lore and events.

The fact that Bioware did not provide this option to the player would be because they do not want a previous romance option to be available a second time OR because they did not have time to implement it.

(I'm not trying to argue getting Leliana as a romance option, I am however in the opinion that a slim to none Warden+Leliana love connection that against all odds would end happy - is by no means, at any possible level, a legit reason to exclude her as a romance option for the Inquisitor)
 

[KoorahUK]

Cole: Agreed. For previously stated reasons.
Varric: Somewhat agree, we need to know more about Varric's past.
Vivienne: Don't agree but cant disagree. We dont know her personality and character enough to state that "just not interested" is a valid argument.

Leliana: Based on her personality and character there is no logical reason she would not be interested in the Inquisitor romantically if we take the warden out of the equation.

As for the Warden + Leliana:

1) 1/2 chance that the warden never recruited her
2) 1/2 chance that the warden had to kill her in self-defense (urn of sacred ashes)
3) 1/5 chance the warden romanced her (One option being no romance)
4) Warden cant father children and has limited life span, these factors should be taken into account as for her desire to choose a future with the warden
5) The warden could die killing the archdemon (1/2)

So at best we have a probability of about 10% chance that Leliana and the Warden was in love and alive at the end of DA:O.

Even if they were in love, the warden disappears or is missing.
Even if they were in love, and the warden + Leliana was together in secret- the chances of a breakup of any sort is also a possibility.

Also a lot of people did not play DA:O - makes for the default cannon.

Conclusion: There is absolutely no reason for Leliana not to be a romance option from a logical and reasonable perspective in the events of DA: Inquisition on a basis of character, personality, lore and events.

The fact that Bioware did not provide this option to the player would be because they do not want a previous romance option to be available a second time OR because they did not have time to implement it.

(I'm not trying to argue getting Leliana as a romance option, I am however in the opinion that a slim to none Warden+Leliana love connection that against all odds would end happy - is by no means, at any possible level, a legit reason to exclude her as a romance option for the Inquisitor)
 

No, there is no logical reason - based on what we know - why Leliana couldn't be a romance option but there is no reason why she should to be honest. 

I don't believe the choice is one of time or economics - they knew Lel was going to be in the game from an early stage I'll wager. BioWare may have plot reasons for making her unavailable but its most likley that they simply do not want to go over old ground. BioWare have explored her past in DA:O and although much time has passed since then perhaps they feel that they'd prefer to be writing the rich back stories for new LI's rather than adding to a well known one. 

I love Lel but I'm kind of glad she's unavailable myself. She and my Warden, that was a thing.

As for everyone else, I see no reason why everything with a pulse would want to jump into bed with my Inquisitor. There are far more reasons why people with their own agendas would not want to get into a romance with someone than why the would. 

[mrcrazyman]

I think people really underestimate the role that Justina played in shaping Leliana's life. She's her closet friend, mentor, mother figure,  saved her life and is a main reason she got into the Chantry religion. If circumstances her different and Dorthea was a dwarf Leliana would probably worship the stone, If she was Qunari Leliana would likely find peace in the Qun. Her devotion and respect to her is a big thing and her relationship and closness seems to far exceed that of other possible LIs such as Cass and Justina or Alistair and Duncan. The fact she dies at the beginning of the game means Leliana lost the most important person in her life and should be in a period of morning. She lost her mother figure and guidance, personally I feel it would seem weird if she was looking for romance.