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#101
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 I'm not saying that romancing a Spirit shouldn't ever be done in a future game, but in my opinion, Cole is simply not a suitable candidate for that kind of complex relationship.

I agree, he is dealing with some more complicated issues and hopeless love will do no good for him, it's too dangerous and too personal for his unstable existence.

 

However, David & Patrick already confirmed he does not have the mind of a child, he just functionally like a child regarding the context of romantic interactions, which means he is not trapped in a child mind that stop him from growing or he just technically impossible to understand basic concepts of this world. So I have to disagree with your explanation about his socially underdevelopment.

 

I know he has been labeled as some unknown fade being, it made many people neglect the fact that his mental development can have a much better interpretation in a pure psychological way.

 

As you know, he might be heavily affected by a human soul or even preserved it somehow, it made him have more human side. Besides, there are many evidence shows that he has fully functional mental capacity, it is the social isolation and experiential suffering made him become who he is. I assume you careful read the book, so I just offered you a different way of interpretation, I think you will know what I mean.

 


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#102
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Vivienne probably just has no interest. 

 

Varric is taken

 

Leliana (if not romanced by the Warden) probably doesn't have time, and she's changed and probably no longer interested in it. 

 

Cole probably has no concept of it. 



#103
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People who want to romance Justice makes me cringe....The only way I'd accept that sort of thing would be if Justice was bound to a suit of armor, and nothing else, and it would be one of those relationships based on emotional love rather than physical. Anything else, is just...gross....

Oh, that wouldn't be hard to comprehend, considering many were lovers of Alphonse in FMA when he was merely a soul trapped in armor for half of the show. There's billions of people in the world with varying tastes; perhaps as DA continues, we will see all sorts of romances being explored!



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I agree, he is dealing with some more complicated issues and hopeless love will do no good for him, it's too dangerous and too personal for his unstable existence.

 

However, David & Patrick already confirmed he does not have the mind of a child, he just functionally like a child regarding the context of romantic interactions, which means he is not trapped in a child mind that stop him from growing or he just technically impossible to understand basic concepts of this world. So I have to disagree with your explanation about his socially underdevelopment.

 

I know he has been labeled as some unknown fade being, it made many people neglect the fact that his mental development can have a much better interpretation in a pure psychological way.

 

As you know, he might be heavily affected by a human soul or even preserved it somehow, it made him have more human side. Besides, there are many evidence shows that he has fully functional mental capacity, it is the social isolation and experiential suffering made him become who he is. I assume you careful read the book, so I just offered you a different way of interpretation, I think you will know what I mean.

 

Ah, I hadn't seem that tweet clarifying Cole's character and mentality, I was going off what David Gaider said a while back. Yeah, it does actually probably describe Cole's behaviour and character a lot better to say he's simply childlike, rather than child-minded.

 

I suppose my main confusion was the argument people were making that his actions in Asunder meant he had to be as intelligent as an adult, which is kind of a disservice to how ridiculously savvy, stubborn and determined some kids, teenagers and young adults can be (especially in fiction). :lol:

 

I don't know about whether or not Cole truly has a soul, since Fade Spirits are supposed to lack them, (unless that's simply the Chantry's party-line and not a definitive fact), but he does seem to have "captured" (for the lack of a better word) the essence of the real Cole and feels the same things that he did. It would certainly tie in with how we saw Justice experience the same sort of thing from the remnants of Kristoff's memories in Awakening.

 

But yeah, a complicated thing like romance, the nuances of relationships and all the trials and tribulations that come with it, would probably throw Cole through a loop and end up being a colossal disaster for everyone involved.



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Ah, I hadn't seem that tweet clarifying Cole's character and mentality, I was going off what David Gaider said a while back. Yeah, it does actually probably describe Cole's behaviour and character a lot better to say he's simply childlike, rather than child-minded.

 

I suppose my main confusion was the argument people were making that his actions in Asunder meant he had to be as intelligent as an adult, which is kind of a disservice to how ridiculously savvy, stubborn and determined some kids, teenagers and young adults can be (especially in fiction). :lol:

 

I don't know about whether or not Cole truly has a soul, since Fade Spirits are supposed to lack them, (unless that's simply the Chantry's party-line and not a definitive fact), but he does seem to have "captured" (for the lack of a better word) the essence of the real Cole and feels the same things that he did. It would certainly tie in with how we saw Justice experience the same sort of thing from the remnants of Kristoff's memories in Awakening.

 

But yeah, a complicated thing like romance, the nuances of relationships and all the trials and tribulations that come with it, would probably throw Cole through a loop and end up being a colossal disaster for everyone involved.

 

"To be honest, though, I didn't see much childish about Cole. His social anxiety was not really that child like. Most children don't have the self-awareness to worry that they're going to bug the adults with too many dumb questions. Most don't feel reluctant to insert themselves in conversations, especially if they're feral kids that weren't taught not to. Besides, I can't imagine a child having the level of self-sacrificial idealism that Cole has. A child that saw Rhys as a father, or older brother, would hide behind him in intense situations. They would expect protection. Cole is always the first to throw himself in danger to protect Rhys. 

 

Cole clearly has very little knowledge of how the world works and how to operate in social situations, but that's a lot different from actually being a child."- Nocte ad Mortem said this in Cole's thread, which I feel pretty much the same. 

 

I assume he preserved that childlike tone by social isolation, but his mentality still grows by years of observation and what he saw made him apathetic to life and death, I'am not gonna prettify this part no matter how I understand where his obsession coming from, I'am just glad that he changed.

 

About what chantry said before, it bugged me off too. But chantry also said that sprits are merely empirical beings, they can't dream, they can't be tricked by themselves, and they can't create the things that they can't even imagine of. But Cole has wide rang of emotions and sensations, he aged, he can dream, he can be reasoned with, he changed his motives and cognitions, which are… pretty much contradict to every part of the chantry's statement. So to me, Cole is definitely unique and intriguing.

 

Personally, I believe he is Legion in DA, like:

 

“Does this unit have a soul?”

“Legion, the answer to your question is YES.”

 

You feel me? XD



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The unromanceable companions/advisers have standards.



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I hope all companions and advisors have flirt options regardless of any restrictions and if you arent able to romance them they will tell you why or make the reason obvious(like in cole's case, trust me o wanted him to be a romance option at first then i read asunder and found out he is merrill 2.0)

THIS

Like, how amazing would it be to try and flirt with Viv, and she's all "Oh... Oh honey, no...", or flirt with Dorian as a female and he's just "I'm sorry, you're... Not quite my type". Or even something like Aveline, where you can flirt multiple times, but they stay completely oblivious.



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Why does there have to be a reason? "I'm not interested" should suffice, no?

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Romancing Cole or Justice?

 



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I am thinking maybe Viv just lost someone dear to her in the blast? or in the war maybe? and have chosen to not involve herself in anything remotely romantic. Leliana either has the warden "some kept the warden alive" or she lost the love of her life the warden, in the fifth blight, or last option, she just isn't interested in romance. Varric clearly falls into the "lost love, can't get over it" category.