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[dangeraaron]

Me personally?  Ironically enough it is rather parallel with my admittedly power hungry Inquisitor.  Magic is an extremely powerful tool, and while Blood Magic is yet another tool in a Mage's vast arsenal, it does come with a lot of liabilities.  Controlling the dead is one thing, you're just animating puppets through necromancy.  Blood Magic usually involves demons.  Anything involving immortal entities that live entirely on messing with the minds of mortals (thereby making many of them experts) would be too much risk vs. reward, especially if a well aimed thunderbolt to the face is arguably more efficient than trying to boil blood or mind control.  

 

And when half of the Inquisitor's job involves hordes of demons, the last thing he would want is to further entice them every time he took a nap than he already does as a mage.  Blood Magic may be powerful but so are other types of magic, for different reasons, and finds 'pure blood mages' to be edgy wanna-be's.  Knowing is always half the battle and is content to know exactly how it works, without having to risk using it himself.  

[Finnn62]

I'm fairly strongly opposed to blood magic. That said, Jowan and Merrill were alright characters. At least they know enough to avoid outright being possessed by demons and to try to avoid hurting people with their evil magics. They really should stop using blood magic, though, imo; that stuff's dangerous. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Blood magic doesn't have a link to the Fade, it says so in its own codex. And that's why it gives templars a hard time, because it draws power in the physical, not the ephemeral. It has been confirmed that it is strengthened by pain and suffering, but still draws power from the blood and life force itself. 

 

And, how do you know that animals aren't connected to the Fade? All things that dream go there there nightly, save the dwarves. 

Because if animals had a connection to the Fade, then there would be examples of mage-animals. There is not. Hence the conclusion of animals not having a connection to the Fade.

And that is also why Blood Magic can't draw power from animals. It draws on the magic in the blood, of which there is none in animals.

[BraveVesperia]

Personally, I'm a little unclear on what blood magic actually involves. Sometimes we're told you have to make a deal with a demon to gain access to it, but then there was a banter where Anders asked Merrill if she cut herself and learned it accidentally.

 

At the end of the day, I have no problem with a mage using their own blood to fuel a spell, but everything else it can entail... using sacrifices, mind control, etc, no one should have that power, and how can you ensure that a blood mage is drawing a line at using their own blood? Although it can be useful, there seems so much potential for misuse, far more than ordinary magic.

[Todd23]

For!

[pengwin21]

Because if animals had a connection to the Fade, then there would be examples of mage-animals. There is not. Hence the conclusion of animals not having a connection to the Fade.

And that is also why Blood Magic can't draw power from animals. It draws on the magic in the blood, of which there is none in animals.

 

Hmm I suppose that would also make dwarves useless as blood sacrifices as well- perhaps that's part of why Tevinter takes no dwarven slaves.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Hmm I suppose that would also make dwarves useless as blood sacrifices as well- perhaps that's part of why Tevinter takes no dwarven slaves.

Not really, because we have from the writers that Dwarves do in fact have a connection to the Fade, it is just being blocked.

 

I think the main reason that Tevinter didn't take Dwarven slaves (they probably had a few), was because the Dwarven Empire eclipsed the Tevinter at first, and once Tevinter had grown sufficiently, the two empires were staunch allies.

[Lumix19]

Not really, because we have from the writers that Dwarves do in fact have a connection to the Fade, it is just being blocked.

 

I think the main reason that Tevinter didn't take Dwarven slaves (they probably had a few), was because the Dwarven Empire eclipsed the Tevinter at first, and once Tevinter had grown sufficiently, the two empires were staunch allies.

Did the writers say that? Huh, do you mind providing a source? It's just I've never heard of that before.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Did the writers say that? Huh, do you mind providing a source? It's just I've never heard of that before.

It was on the old forum, in the DA2 story section. I am not going to dig through that cesspit.

 

I do recall it was regarding why Dwarves suddenly lose their magic resistance if they live topside for a couple of years(/generations). The writers said that it isn't the Dwarves gain a connection to the Fade, as much as it is them losing their resistance to it. Or something to that effect.

[dragonflight288]

Because if animals had a connection to the Fade, then there would be examples of mage-animals. There is not. Hence the conclusion of animals not having a connection to the Fade.

And that is also why Blood Magic can't draw power from animals. It draws on the magic in the blood, of which there is none in animals.

 

Non-mages have a connection to the Fade, by virtue of going there nightly to dream. 

 

Having a connection to the Fade does not automatically equate being a mage. 

 

Dwarves are the only ones confirmed in lore to not have a connection. 

[dragonflight288]

Did the writers say that? Huh, do you mind providing a source? It's just I've never heard of that before.

 

It's pretty much established that the dwarves, being in such proximity to lyrium for generations, have given them a resistance to it, and that resistance blocks their connection to the Fade. Surface Dwarves gradually lose that resistance to lyrium, but even they, thus far, have no connection to the Fade. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

but it is suggested that liryum can lead to birth defects in dwarves like Thalidomide. look at Sandil for example whilr not truely conected to the Fade he is pretty powerful in his own right.

[dragonflight288]

but it is suggested that liryum can lead to birth defects in dwarves like Thalidomide. look at Sandil for example whilr not truely conected to the Fade he is pretty powerful in his own right.

 

Being in close proximity to the raw ore for anyone who isn't a dwarf is near lethal, which also causes physical defects by proximity. 

 

Yes, it is suggested, and is confirmed dangerous no matter who you are.

 

To be honest, we know next to nothing on Sandal and why he is the way he is, but I don't care. Enchantment!

[Mentxi]

Mostly against, but just because of the mind control thingy, that part makes blood magic different from regular magic. Yes, you can kill and burn everything with magic, but a blood mage can do that and influence people, summon demons... Merrill and Jowan are good people, yes, but that doesn't make blood magic less dangerous.

Its use should be prohibited if there's not a good reason, I'm not againts the use of blood magic by the Grey Wardens, for example. Why? They have a clear goal that benefits society, they don't participate in politics, live outside society, saved the world once or twice... But for everyone else no. It's like a gun, not everyone is suitable to use one. How many good things came from the use and abuse of blood magic? not enough to justify it's use.

[FiveThreeTen]

It was a good spec in Origins. Even if I have a hard time trying to come up with a roleplay reason to choose it on my mage Warden.

 

Morally I don't know, it's gross for certain, ruins your clothes, hard to wash.

[Ieldra]

Blood magic is a powerful and dangerous tool. Like any such thing, it should be kept out of the hands of children, fools or madmen as much as possible. On the other hand, it makes you independent from lyrium and lets you hold your own against templars as a mage. It's nothing I would recommend for casual use but it's too useful to ignore, and those most insistent on its ban have too much of a vested interest in keeping mages bound.

 

Blood magic is also something that should be studied in-depth by the "good" people because only that way we might find a way to protect against its more unpleasant effects, which the "bad" people have no interest in pursuing. The Litany of Adralla is the best example of a good result of such studies. There should be more of it.

[Milan92]

So long as blood magic is only used for things like, finding a way to cure a grey warden of their taint, I have no problem with it.

[Sylentmana]

I'm against it. It's messy and stains your robes. Besides, you always feel a little woosey if you use too much blood. I had an uncle who used too much once. He passed out right in the middle of the Chantry. That didn't go over well, as you can imagine.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Non-mages have a connection to the Fade, by virtue of going there nightly to dream. 

 

Having a connection to the Fade does not automatically equate being a mage. 

 

Dwarves are the only ones confirmed in lore to not have a connection. 

Dwarves do have a connection. The only creatures straight up confirmed to NOT have any conenction to the Fade, whatsoever, are the Darkspawn. Dwarves on the other hand, are confirmed to actually have a connection to the Fade, it is just being blocked.

 

And I didn't say that a connection = mage. I said that you HAVE to have this connection to BE a mage. And in 100% of the cases where we know a race has a connection to the Fade, there are examples of mages amongst them. There are NO animal mages. Hence they probably do not have a connection to the Fade.

[Xilizhra]

Dwarves do have a connection. The only creatures straight up confirmed to NOT have any conenction to the Fade, whatsoever, are the Darkspawn. Dwarves on the other hand, are confirmed to actually have a connection to the Fade, it is just being blocked.

 

And I didn't say that a connection = mage. I said that you HAVE to have this connection to BE a mage. And in 100% of the cases where we know a race has a connection to the Fade, there are examples of mages amongst them. There are NO animal mages. Hence they probably do not have a connection to the Fade.

Velghastrials.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Velghastrials.

Which aren't animals.

[Xilizhra]

Which aren't animals.

They're not considered to be sapient.

[EmperorSahlertz]

They're not considered to be sapient.

I don't consider most of the BSN'ers sapient. That doesn't make me right. That makes me a dick.

[Lumix19]

Velghastrials.

I like Velghastrials. They were pretty cool in MotA with their barrier totem spell.