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[lady_v23]

oh!  and I made wynne a blood mage.  

[Icy Magebane]

How do you handle blood magic in you games? I'm curious! Thanks for sharing

I only choose blood magic for villainous characters... never for mages who are attempting to use it to carry out some noble agenda.  I also do not typically work with allies who practice blood magic, and in DA:O, I treated it as a spec that was exclusive to the Warden... the only exception to this is the Blood Mage version of Hawke, who obviously has no problem working with Merrill... this is very rare situation, however, as I've only played as this character about 3 times (out of many, many other runs).

 

On playthroughs involving PCs who are not blood mages themselves, anyone that they encounter who practices it is put to death, no exceptions (unless the game won't let me kill them, ofc).

 

These are just general rules though... I mean, I do a lot of roleplaying, so some characters are more nuanced than others... this is the basic idea, however...

[AlexiaRevan]

oh!  and I made wynne a blood mage.  

I hope you supplemented her with the stuff...you know..the forbidden stuff to make her Blood related spell ? RIGHT? YOU DID RIGHT? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The dangerous stuff ! : 

[enson8502]

@raging_monkey actually you are genius ! The joining and the phylacteries... you are sooo right!

[Br3admax]

That's magic being worked on blood. Those aren't spells from the School of Blood. Two totally different types of Blood Magic. 

[EmperorKarino]

I'm always unsure about my point of view over blood magic. My mage warden never tried it, killed immediately any blood mage that were inhabited by an deamon. But, was okay with Jowan trying to repent himself.
 
My Champion was the same and helped Merrill even if she was a blood mage, because she believed she could handle it.
 
I don't know how my Inquisitor will handle it yet...
 
I just can't believe using blood magic makes you an evil person. If you are a weak mage, you'll probably be fooled by a deamon and became an abomination. But a great mage will use blood magic to do great things like Merril tried to do for her clan?
 
How do you handle blood magic in you games? I'm curious! Thanks for sharing

 

blood magic by itself is not evil, merrill used it to fuel her spells, which any "good" mage could. but the problem with blood magic is that it can potentially harm or mind control or demon summon. the chantry forbids it but it is frowned upon in tervinter but still used. its probably in use by some people in every nation except par vollen (qunari would probably prioritize killing any tal vashoth blood mages if any were about) it depends on use, so i wouldn't call it good or evil. It is mostly used for evil as we have seen in origins and 2.

[raging_monkey]

That's magic being worked on blood. Those aren't spells from the School of Blood. Two totally different types of Blood Magic.

still under the umbrella term... seems hypocritial imo

@raging_monkey actually you are genius ! The joining and the phylacteries... you are sooo right!

i have my moments. But again im biased and have a loose issue with BM

[Daerog]

To answer the topic title, I'm against.

To answer the original post:

 

In my canon, my human mage Warden was against it and I think he killed the blood mages that rebelled in the tower, and he hunted blood mages that were criminals, but he did help the Mages' Collective... but I think he gave the lyrium smuggling information to the non-corrupt Templar... He was against it, and knew it corrupted people, but he was mainly focused on killing darkspawn.

 

My warrior Hawke was against it, but didn't actively kill people because of it and thought they could be helped, so Idunna and Merrill lived, he even rivalmanced Merrill.

 

I plan for my Inquisitor human mage to also be against it because it is corrupting and he knows that an experienced, prepared, and strong mage has no need to resort to such things, and those who resort to blood magic are either fools or desperate. So, that will be his view.

 

Really, though, blood magic is strong and can help people in a bind, but the only thing that blood magic does that other magic can't do is mind control stuff, which is wrong. Blood magic just helps fuel other magic and makes it stronger; magic is already strong enough and lyrium can be used to enhance spells, it is just an unnecessary risk in most cases. A quick, easy way to get power with heavy consequences.

[Br3admax]

still under the umbrella term... seems hypocritial imo

One requires demons. One doesn't. One requires cutting yourself. One doesn't. Not hypocritical in the slightest. 

[raging_monkey]

To answer the topic title, I'm against.
To answer the original post:
 
In my canon, my human mage Warden was against it and I think he killed the blood mages that rebelled in the tower, and he hunted blood mages that were criminals, but he did help the Mages' Collective... but I think he gave the lyrium smuggling information to the non-corrupt Templar... He was against it, and knew it corrupted people, but he was mainly focused on killing darkspawn.
 
My warrior Hawke was against it, but didn't actively kill people because of it and thought they could be helped, so Idunna and Merrill lived, he even rivalmanced Merrill.
 
I plan for my Inquisitor human mage to also be against it because it is corrupting and he knows that an experienced, prepared, and strong mage has no need to resort to such things, and those who resort to blood magic are either fools or desperate. So, that will be his view.
 
Really, though, blood magic is strong and can help people in a bind, but the only thing that blood magic does that other magic can't do is mind control stuff, which is wrong. Blood magic just helps fuel other magic and makes it stronger; magic is already strong enough and lyrium can be used to enhance spells, it is just an unnecessary risk in most cases. A quick, easy way to get power with heavy consequences.

gov'ts and the chantry also control minds(to a far lesser extent) but its just magic a tool perhaps a weapon imo

[raging_monkey]

One requires demons. One doesn't. One requires cutting yourself. One doesn't. Not hypocritical in the slightest.

but to get the blood somebody has to be cut enough. Blood magic is the most powerful school why not use it

Edited: due to forum language censor its a silly thing

[Br3admax]

but to get the blood somebody has to be cut/****** enough. Blood magic is the most powerful school why not use it

I like the Veil. I like living. I don't like abominations. I don't like being mindraped. I like having control of my body. I don't like having to live in fear. I'm rational. Why use it? 

[StrangeStrategy]

Generally, they're all bad.

Think of Jowan.
- Escapes the Circle.

- Poisons Arl Eamon.

- Indirectly (Or directly, depending on your perspective) murders all the people in the castle by not teaching Connor about demons. Also, Connor only made the deal with the demon to save his poisoned father... All Jowans fault.

- Uses Blood Magic to enter the fade to challenge the demon. (possibly)

- Saves some refugees from darkspawn (possibly, if you let him go)

 

Jowan, like Merrill, wanted to do good but ultimately did way more bad.

I'm totally ok with Phylacteries, and Finn using Dalish blood to find the lights of Arlathan; that's harmless magic. But when you can paralyze people and boil their blood, or mind control them, or deal with demons... yeah, every blood mage is generally a bad guy, based off who we've met so far.

[Markus]

Personally?  Magic, just like any skill or weapon, is only as evil as its user, and blood magic is no different.  The thing is, it's more dangerous than it's worth--it weakens the Veil more than any other spell, attracts demons to the same degree, and allows for some very unethical spells.  Plus, it seems that no one in Thedas (possibly short of our Wardens/Hawkes) is able to responsibly use it without falling to the desire for MOAR POWAH.

 

 

[Zarro-Morningstar]

There is nothing inately evil about blood magic. It is the same as any blade or bow, a tool to be used. It all depends on how it will be used and who uses it, so if someone is using blood magic for "evil" things then they are the one who is corrupt, not the magic.

[raging_monkey]

I like the Veil. I like living. I don't like abomination. I don't like being mindraped. I like having control of my body. I don't like having to live in fear. I'm rational. Why use it?

joke: ahh fear is what makes you happy and if you could make that one jerk from highschool jump off a cliff why not he'd be a pancake lol

Actual response: a abomination is the next stage of evolution(if they are strong enough) and mindrape is a nasty word... i prefer the term mental persuassion (joke) and life is a fleeting thing wby limit ones self with black/white morality

[Daerog]

gov'ts and the chantry also control minds(to a far lesser extent) but its just magic a tool perhaps a weapon imo

 

No, governments and the Chantry do not directly control the minds of people. People can still choose, can still take a breath and think about what they are doing and possibly change their minds.

 

Not even the Qunari do mind control, they just destroy a person's will with that one thing they tried with Izzy.

 

There is a difference.

 

While magic is a tool, blood magic is an unnecessary tool with consequences. Blood magic brings more demonic temptation to mages, as has been shown and read in the DA universe. Regular magic can get the job done as well with saving people or destroying people, but blood magic increases the risk of abominations. It's like a drug, some drugs are great and help people (we call it medicine usually), but some drugs are really bad for you and have a greater risk involved, blood magic is the latter.

 

It is only for the fools and the desperate. The fools because they don't know better and are weak mages. The desperate because they are either in a life or death situation (like the Grey Wardens) or they are in an emergency and cannot prepare a spell properly.

 

I have not seen it used other than by villains, fools, or the desperate so far in DA.

 

Edit: These are just some clarifying thoughts, not meaning to be argumentative or anything like that.

[lil yonce]

I'm for it. I wish my mage inquisitor could specialize in blood magic. I had song lyrics ready to go for her story arc and everything. 

 

Blood, I want it
Giving up the fight
Blood, I want it
Lay me down tonight
Yeah, blood, I want it
Take me to the sky
Blood, I want it
Everything's alright now

[Who Knows]

Im for it in certain situations(warden usage and blights) and for its academia. My warden used it and saw it as how the user uses it. Hawke... grey area know it but rarly used it.

BM is only bad if x moron uses it. Its like any tool it can be used as a defensive and offensive tool. Its the user that decides

Not it's like any tool. When you use blood magic the veil weakens (demons more easily pass through) and you are more vulnerable to being possessed.

 

[Gtdef]

I don't care about the regulations against blood magic.

But to allow an antagonistic blood mage to live I need to know that he is accomplished and not using blood magic to cover his weakness. I have no reason to kill Avernus. He is an authority in blood magic, knows the dangers first hand and actually survived a demonic invasion, even if he took the coward way. Same with the Hermit, or Orsino if I had a choice. I don't object to Warden's employ of blood magic.

 

But most of the Kirkwall idiots, murder knife. They are a menace. It's a matter of trust. Can't trust an idiot with a bomb.

 

If I had to make the law, I'd allow Blood Magic to be taught and researched only by the most accomplished mages of the circle and try to create defensive measures against it as well. At it's current state it's too exotic, and those that excel at it have no reason to share the secrets with the chantry and whatever else police agency.

[Xilizhra]

I'm for blood magic used by me and against blood magic used against me.

[raging_monkey]

No, governments and the Chantry do not directly control the minds of people. People can still choose, can still take a breath and think about what they are doing and possibly change their minds.
 
Not even the Qunari do mind control, they just destroy a person's will with that one thing they tried with Izzy.
 
There is a difference.
 
While magic is a tool, blood magic is an unnecessary tool with consequences. Blood magic brings more demonic temptation to mages, as has been shown and read in the DA universe. Regular magic can get the job done as well with saving people or destroying people, but blood magic increases the risk of abominations. It's like a drug, some drugs are great and help people (we call it medicine usually), but some drugs are really bad for you and have a greater risk involved, blood magic is the latter.
 
It is only for the fools and the desperate. The fools because they don't know better and are weak mages. The desperate because they are either in a life or death situation (like the Grey Wardens) or they are in an emergency and cannot prepare a spell properly.
 
I have not seen it used other than by villains, fools, or the desperate so far in DA.
 
Edit: These are just some clarifying thoughts, not meaning to be argumentative or anything like that.

good points Daerong and those are actually some things i agree on but i was being humourous lol. Remember im a joker(this probably the only subject i support)

[Hellion Rex]

I don't mind using blood magic, nor do I care if it's used against me. If someone uses blood magic on me, I care more that they are trying to kill me than them using "forbidden" magic. That said, I respect and understand the very real dangers of blood magic usage, cause all power comes at a price, magic more so than others.

[Daerog]

good points Daerong and those are actually some things i agree on but i was being humourous lol. Remember im a joker(this probably the only subject i support)

 

Right, I forget sometimes, but I thought it was a good post to go off of to give further thoughts anyway.

[raging_monkey]

Just to clarify this how i view BM just so we dont have a misunderstanding lol

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