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[lrdrskillz]

If you remember, the owner of the cold blooded staff used blood magic to tear his would-be executioners to pieces. He was finally free and lived a normal life after that. Had him a family and everything.... it's just a dangerous tool, like a chainsaw, (if chain saws could cut open the fade and let demons out). I say if the choices are death, templar oppression, or blood magic,  i'll take my chances with blood magic, at least I have a CHANCE at happiness if I go with blood magic.

[lrdrskillz]

I look forward to multiplayer blood magic to see how people react when you slit your hand and start slinging giant bloody fireballs of death or face tank a mob with blood shield up while you sap away its  health with vampire like capabilities.

is there blood magic in multiplayer?

[Daerog]

Not with the current 12 classes.

[Panda]

I'm more for than against though blood magic is dangerous and most of blood mages we seen in series are hostile. I have even Hawke who is blood mage. To me being blood mage doesn't suddenly turn you into evil person but it seemed like it can with sometime, I like in DA2 there was that crazy blood mage elf who murdered his wife   In other hand Jowan and Merrill are pretty harmless and shouldn't be judged cause they potentially are dangerous.

[10K]

I'm against it. Blood magic is often used to manipulate the minds of others. If a mage resorts to blood magic they are nothing more then cowards and weaklings, unable to use the gift of magic given to them efficiently. They deserve death and nothing else. There's a reason way blood magic is described as a last resort.

[Uccio]

I´m all for blood magic. I never give up Jowain and I let him run away from the redcastle (and it annoys me that you can´t be friendly with him when you let him go). Why would I betray my best lifelong buddy from the circle? And I help Merrill every time. Blood magic is a tool and it gives the mage advantage over templars. Which is excellent. Freedom loving blood mage is my main character, always.

[Tevinter Rose]

I'm for it, my main pc's were blood mages. I like that it doesn't draw energy from the fade just from within. It has it's pros and cons like anything else.

[Gill Kaiser]

Blood magic in general is entirely neutral for me. It's just a means of power generation. It doesn't matter that you're using it, what matters is where you're getting the life force from, and what spells you're casting.

 

If you're using your own life force or the life force of willing participants, then that's fine. I guess I don't have a problem with using the life force of your enemies in combat situations either, since that comes under the umbrella of the morality of attacking them in the first place.

 

If you're stealing innocent people's life force, that's bad mojo.

 

I do have a problem with mind control, because that's a whole ethical quagmire and it's possibly too much power for the average person to wield without temptation. However, if the individual blood mage doesn't abuse it, even mind control isn't necessarily entirely amoral.

[BloodKaiden]

I'm for Blood Magic, its like any other tool to be used. As long as the mage doesn't play the victim about and is prepared for the responsibility of their actions. If I had the power of mind control I'll be honest and say I'd use it. -shrugs-

[the inquisitor94]

The Dragon age Inquisition reminds parts of Machiavelli philosophy. I have to agree that the end justifies the means in this torn, full of disaster and despair world. You may have to go as far as it takes to close the rifts and win the battle in order to restore the world in its previous state. To reach to my point although i love the hostile blood magic we have seen throughout the game series, i dont like using it with my characters. Our blood magic is not as strong, not as varied and influential as our loony  blood mages/ maleficarum. For once i would like to summon demons and other evil creatures and show them (maleficarum) what it feels like to have such great power in your hand.

 

All you have done with blood mage in the games is bleed dry instead of using mana. And choke enemies to our blood.... Thats how i see this type of magic. I love its potential but hate who its installed in our PC. Oh and last thing i'd like if i had a blood mage PC to be targeted as one and haunted down for that, it would be sooo realistic (and no i am not a masochist).

[Helios969]

Against...since it invariably goes from sticking oneself to augment power to slaughtering livestock for more power to butchering people and families for even more...  Glad it's not back as a class specialization.

[Keroko]

I'm against it. Blood magic is often used to manipulate the minds of others. If a mage resorts to blood magic they are nothing more then cowards and weaklings, unable to use the gift of magic given to them efficiently. They deserve death and nothing else. There's a reason way blood magic is described as a last resort.

 

This logic seems flawed to me. Primal magic is used to kill people almost 100% of the time, yet nobody even bats an eye at its use. Entropy also manipulates the minds of others, yet is an accepted practice. Hell, even necromancy is found in the Chantry-approved spirit tree.

 

Blood magic is inherently little different from these other magics. All that is different is that they can use blood to substitute for massive quantities of lyrium. Yes, it is often learned from demons, true, but it is not the only way to learn blood magic. There are many practitioners who have left behind writings of the art. Should these writings be made official -albeit restricted-, no demon ever needs to be involved in the learning of blood magic ever again.

[General TSAR]

Demons are useful tools as well. 

The Wardens at Soldier's Peak would strongly disagree. 

[The Ascendant]

I am for it. True it's dangerous, but I always felt when handled responsibly by strong mages, the benefits outweigh the risks. True their is an increased risk by demonic possession, but any mage who passes his/her Harrowing should be strong enough to avoid becoming an abomination.

I hope we can use it,  even though we can't use the class, I hope we can at least perform some actions.

[daveliam]

I see blood magic as any other tool.  It's not inherently wrong or evil or bad on it's own.  The person wielding it brings those intentions.

 

That being said, I am personally against using it and see a correlation between users of blood magic and corruption.  I only ever played a single mage in DA: O, but he was a Circle loyalist and, therefore, strongly against blood magic.  Almost all of my Hawkes have been mages and I've never had a single blood mage.  It's why my characters can almost never become friends with Merrill. 

[The Ascendant]

Those Wardens were rogue, actively and willingly violating their neutrality by involving themselves in a Kingdom's internal affairs. True the Warden did it loads in Origins, but it was a time of Blight and a fractured Ferelden would have fallen to the Archdemon if they didn't get invovlved.

[daveliam]

Those Wardens were rogue, actively and willingly violating their neutrality by involving themselves in a Kingdom's internal affairs. True the Warden did it loads in Origins, but it was a time of Blight and a fractured Ferelden would have fallen to the Archdemon if they didn't get invovlved.

 

I'm sure that the Wardens at Soldier's Peak felt it was justified for them as well.  Otherwise, they wouldn't have been willing to die for it.  If you support The Warden's actions in DA: O, it's difficult to condemn the actions of Sophia Dryden and her troops.

[10K]

This logic seems flawed to me. Primal magic is used to kill people almost 100% of the time, yet nobody even bats an eye at its use. Entropy also manipulates the minds of others, yet is an accepted practice. Hell, even necromancy is found in the Chantry-approved spirit tree.

 

Blood magic is inherently little different from these other magics. All that is different is that they can use blood to substitute for massive quantities of lyrium. Yes, it is often learned from demons, true, but it is not the only way to learn blood magic. There are many practitioners who have left behind writings of the art. Should these writings be made official -albeit restricted-, no demon ever needs to be involved in the learning of blood magic ever again.

No it is not like using lyrium. Pain and death is what dictates the power of blood magic. More pain and death = how potent and powerful a spell will be for a blood mage. Blood magic thrives on violence. Where as mages whom don't use blood magic only require lyrium for more potent and powerful spells. There's a reason why blood magic is more powerful because of the price you pay to cast it.

 

Also according to the wiki: "The use of blood magic itself is treacherous; as it allows the veil to be open completely so that demons may physically pass through it to the physical world" 

 

Primal spell are natural spells. Sure you can say it kills 100% of the time as much as blood magic but doing this magic does not require life energy to cast. After all that is what blood magic is, the utilization of life itself. Same can be said for entropy, it doesn't require blood, pain or death to cast. Anymore info on blood magic can be found on the wiki. As I said, there's a reason why blood magic is describe as a last resort. We see this with Jowan, whom resorts to blood magic because he fears he is to become tranquil. We see this with Merrill, whom consults a demon to teach her blood magic to cleanse the mirror because Marethari refused. And notably we see this with Orsino, whom is the biggest coward of them all.    

 

In my opinion blood mages deserve death and nothing more, as far as I can see there has been no examples of blood magic being used for good, other then the leader of the blood band whom uses his blood magic to heal and protect his followers. But then again that's an old gods cult. Blood magic is the reason mages are feared in the first place. Thedas has no need for it. 

[Saint Traft]

If "good spirits" in the Fade would at least regularly try to help mages in fighting off demons from possessing them then yeah, Blood Magic would be viable. But sadly that's not the case. Most of the time, "good spirits" are passive and just stand-by while demons go about taking over the bodies of Blood Mages. Also, if Blood Mages only used their blood and not sacrificing un-willing victims that too can warrant it's viability.

 

Against.

[10K]

If "good spirits" in the Fade would at least regularly try to help mages in fighting off demons from possessing them then yeah, Blood Magic would be viable. But sadly that's not the case. Most of the time, "good spirits" are passive and just stand-by while demons go about taking over the bodies of Blood Mages. Also, if Blood Mages only used their blood and not sacrificing un-willing victims that too can warrant it's viability.

 

Against.

Even so more blood is needed for more viable spells, which is why blood mages resort to sacrifices and slavery. 

[themikefest]

Against. Never liked it.

[A Clever Name]

Power is inanimate.  It cannot corrupt because it doesn't have a will of its own.  The correlations we see between power and abusers of power is that it attracts those who have interest in using it.  Therefore the individual colors our perception of their means - in a way, the wielder is the one that corrupts a source of power, not the other way around.

 

I don't see anything as inherently evil.  How it is used and how I perceive its use is what composes my definition of what is morally repugnant or morally sound.  So I suppose I'm ambivalent about blood magic.  Its costs can be great, and I don't very often see a reason to use it outside of extreme circumstances.  To use it properly, it must be justified in a manner that is dictated as humane.  The problem being, how do we come to a consensus on what is and what is not morally permissible when perceptions of blood magic are not only skewed, but widely varied, on the subject?

 

That being said, I think blood magic needs to be studied more closely.  You shouldn't blindly fear something without first attempting to understand its properties.  We don't know half of the effects of drugs on people before human trials, but medicine is not reviled.  For a more destructive example, we didn't stop studying nuclear fission despite its devastating capabilities.  And look what came from it - commercial nuclear reactors provide some of the most cost-effective energy to states that employ their use.  The difference in usage is in how much you enrich the uranium, but the methods of production remain relatively the same.

[the inquisitor94]

I wont say who *coughs* Chantry *coughs* uses blood magic and resort to it to hunt down mages. It kinda defeats their whole motto BLOOD MAGIC is EVIL. Not to mantion that some of them think that all magic is the source of all evil. I can be used for evil but there can be secrets that haven't been revealed, such as Avernus studies. Grey wardens approve of it as long as its useful (DLS legacy)

[Keroko]

No it is not like using lyrium. Pain and death is what dictates the power of blood magic. More pain and death = how potent and powerful a spell will be for a blood mage. Blood magic thrives on violence. Where as mages whom don't use blood magic only require lyrium for more potent and powerful spells. There's a reason why blood magic is more powerful because of the price you pay to cast it.

 

Also according to the wiki: "The use of blood magic itself is treacherous; as it allows the veil to be open completely so that demons may physically pass through it to the physical world" 

 

Primal spell are natural spells. Sure you can say it kills 100% of the time as much as blood magic but doing this magic does not require life energy to cast. After all that is what blood magic is, the utilization of life itself. Same can be said for entropy, it doesn't require blood, pain or death to cast. Anymore info on blood magic can be found on the wiki. As I said, there's a reason why blood magic is describe as a last resort. We see this with Jowan, whom resorts to blood magic because he fears he is to become tranquil. We see this with Merrill, whom consults a demon to teach her blood magic to cleanse the mirror because Marethari refused. And notably we see this with Orsino, whom is the biggest coward of them all.    

 

In my opinion blood mages deserve death and nothing more, as far as I can see there has been no examples of blood magic being used for good, other then the leader of the blood band whom uses his blood magic to heal and protect his followers. But then again that's an old gods cult. Blood magic is the reason mages are feared in the first place. Thedas has no need for it. 

 

Where did you get that blood magic thrives on pain and violence? So far all lore says it is empowered by life force, which is not the same thing. Yes, blood magic allows demons to enter through the fade. So does necromancy (as undead are corpses possessed by demons). And yet, necromancy is allowed, which means that merely opening the fade to demons isn't beyond what a good mage is capable of handling, nor what the Chantry forbids.

 

The only reason blood magic is considered a last resort in Thedas is because it is outlawed. What it really is is a powerful form of magic that could be of great benefit to the people of Thedas, providing proper rules on its learning and use are laid down. Hell, even the Chantry itself does this. Phylacteries are blood magic, after all.

 

Really, we're falling back to the same thing here: The only difference is that blood magic allows the use life force rather than mana. But that in and of itself is not inherently more evil. Like any other form of magic, is depends on how it is used.

 

 

If "good spirits" in the Fade would at least regularly try to help mages in fighting off demons from possessing them then yeah, Blood Magic would be viable. But sadly that's not the case. Most of the time, "good spirits" are passive and just stand-by while demons go about taking over the bodies of Blood Mages. Also, if Blood Mages only used their blood and not sacrificing un-willing victims that too can warrant it's viability.

 

Against.

 

It's not so much that spirits aren't willing to help, it's more that mages are taught to avoid any spirit in the fade. Remember that during your harrowing, you have to choose to engage the spirit of Valour and ask it for its aid. Most mages won't do this.

[Medhia_Nox]

Me personally?  I think it's the worst story concept in DA.  I also think it's wholly reprehensible and I'd feel perfectly fine telling that to anyone who practiced it.

 

My Warden Warrior?  Magic and mages are tools to my Warden's climb to fame and power.  If they prove to be obstacles - dead time.

 

My Hawke Mage?  Distasteful and the practice of mages who can't do real magic well enough and have to dabble in trash magic.  

 

My Inquisitor Mage?  Blood Mages have two choices - Tranquility or Death.  You weren't born with Blood Magic - you sought it out.  Knowing it, is premeditated.  However - the study of blood magic is permissible to a small group of heavily guarded mages.