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[Icefalcon]

Oh I see. Where were the victims Merrill sacrificed?

Well, depending on how you played it out you could argue that Merrill sacrificed her Clan, I've certainly wiped them out because of her adventures in Blood Magic more than once

[enson8502]

Wow you all have very interesting opinions and reading those is very intersting! I think the subject is not closed and I'm very intrigued to see what plots will be reserved for us in Inquisition.

[CapivaRasgor]

That's magic being worked on blood. Those aren't spells from the School of Blood. Two totally different types of Blood Magic.

Don't know if someone already said this but Gaider himself confirmed in an interview with Lady Insanity that both the Joining and Phylacteries are a form of blood magic. I'm afraid I can't link the video(posting from my phone) but you'll find it in her channel.

[CapivaRasgor]

Double post.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I've used this comparison before but I feel it needs to be used again:

Blood magic has a negative connotation much like Rhetoric. They are both neutral tools but are both considered "Negative" due to misuse. 
There is nothing inherently wrong with blood magic. A mage could spend his entire life healing or helping people with blood magic. 

I actually blame Bioware, they simply put all blood magic forth as "EVIL RAWR!, DEMONS! DEATH!" never showing any positive side of it. So IMO blood magic has a bad rep due to Bioware going overboard with showcasing the bad, causing massive bias and stereotyping. 

 

[Mykel54]

I see blood magic in a similar fashion to fel energy in warcraft (i know, just bear with me). What Fel energy does is corrupt the body of the caster slowly (like radiation) while at the same time granting access to fabulous powers, plus it is addictive like a drug. It is also risky because the more you use it the more you lose your soul and in the end, depending on how strong your will is, you end up a servant to the burning legion.

 

I see blood magic being evil by nature (like corrupted lyrium), because it is powered by suffering. However it is also the most powerful source for magic, granting low level mages access to very powerful spells, and experienced ones to truly ming boggling things (say mind control). It is the only known way to achieve things that otherwise would be impossible due to the ridiculous amounts of lyrium it would involve (ex. tevinters doing stuff in kirkwall basement.). Casting blood magic also makes the user a lot more vulnerable to demonic posession, compared to a mage that is using lyrium for the spell.

 

Therefore i consider it a necessary evil, because in order to achieve X, when lyrium is not enough and there is other known way, you use blood magic instead.

 

My DAO Warden saw it as evil, but agaisnt the darkspawn every weapon is necessary, my warden would not endorse using blood magic agaisnt for other non vital stuff (like mind controling a guy to get his riches).

My DA2 Hawke saw it as pure evil and killed anyone who she saw dabbling in it, no matter their justification. This is because she was a devout andrastian so she was a hardliner about everything involving demons, abominations and mind control.

 

I am not sure yet what my Inquisitor will think about it, but i think he will lean more towards being intolerant of blood magic too.

[Incantrix]

I've used this comparison before but I feel it needs to be used again:

Blood magic has a negative connotation much like Rhetoric. They are both neutral tools but are both considered "Negative" due to misuse. 
There is nothing inherently wrong with blood magic. A mage could spend his entire life healing or helping people with blood magic. 

I actually blame Bioware, they simply put all blood magic forth as "EVIL RAWR!, DEMONS! DEATH!" never showing any positive side of it. So IMO blood magic has a bad rep due to Bioware going overboard with showcasing the bad, causing massive bias and stereotyping. 

 

How could you show the positive use of blood magic as anything other than evil?

 

Remember, blood magic is powered by suffering. To even try to use blood magic to "heal" or "revive" someone would result in something laughable. Which, at that point, you might as well use non-blood magic to accomplish less sinister goals. 

 

The only "good" I see out of blood magic is during war. And regular magic does just fine in war too. 

[Drasanil]

I think the blood magic's greatest evil is that it was implemented as a consequence-free spec for player characters, which created a total disconnect between what blood magic is supposed to be in universe and what it was in game.

 

I'm personally glad they ditched it for DAI and if it ever makes a come back I hope it comes with some potential for nasty side effects like veil tears or demons gibbering out your brains.

[TK514]

I stand corrected, and that is indeed a huge strike against the positives of blood magic.
 
However, I still maintain that we shouldn't toss out the baby with the bathwater just because the water is dirty. There is much good to be found in blood magic, as it is also known for being tremendously powerful at healing. And it needn't come at the cost of lives. We have blood donations in our world, a similar system could be set up in Thedas. The phylacteries of the circles (which, again, are also blood magic) show that preservation is possible. This could mean the survival of untold lives who would die otherwise.
 
And mages would still be feared, blood magic or no. Blood magic is not needed for a mage to turn into an abomination. Blood magic isn't needed for a mage with selfish desires to obliterate an entire town. Blood magic isn't needed for a necromancer to plunder a graveyard and send its occupants against the innocent.
 
The fear of magic runs deeper than blood magic. It is the fear of the unknown, the fear of people possessing powers others do not, cannot, understand. That fear can't be eradicated just by removing a particularly grim aspect of it.

I don't disagree that there are times Blood Magic is necessary, such as The Joining. I Also don't believe "necessary" is the same as "good", or even "neutral". Some evils are necessary. The Grey Wardens may as well have THAT as their motto, given how they operate. But I digress.

I have made a choice to view Blood Magic, as generally practiced in the series, as an unnecessary evil. The developers seem divided on the subject. Cameron Lee seems to think it is evil, while David Gaider considers it a tool without any morality. To each their own.

[raging_monkey]

I think the blood magic's greatest evil is that it was implemented as a consequence-free spec for player characters, which created a total disconnect between what blood magic is supposed to be in universe and what it was in game.
 
I'm personally glad they ditched it for DAI and if it ever makes a come back I hope it comes with some potential for nasty side effects like veil tears or demons gibbering out your brains.

they said if it ever returned it would have to be a full-class on its own

[Drasanil]

they said if it ever returned it would have to be a full-class on its own

 

Not sure if that would be better or worse, blood magic is supposed to be an easy means to power for regular mages, making it a class of its own seems to go against that feel. Although I would understand how that might make it easier to implement story wise.

[raging_monkey]

Not sure if that would be better or worse, blood magic is supposed to be an easy means to power for regular mages, making it a class of its own seems to go against that feel. Although I would understand how that might make it easier to implement story wise.

i think it could work like that.

X magi learns BM x magi lives in world were you are a outlaw. Its fertile ground

[Bigdoser]

How could you show the positive use of blood magic as anything other than evil?

 

Remember, blood magic is powered by suffering. To even try to use blood magic to "heal" or "revive" someone would result in something laughable. Which, at that point, you might as well use non-blood magic to accomplish less sinister goals. 

 

The only "good" I see out of blood magic is during war. And regular magic does just fine in war too. 

Blood magic is not fueled by suffering. Its simply using blood in place of mana and it allows you to do feats that would other wise require loads of lyrium or said mana. The problem with blood mage from a lore stand point is that its connected to the original sin of the magisters. Plus the mind controlling aspect of the magic that kind of power is also "corrupting" so to speak. Gaider even stated as such hence a reason its outlawed. 

 

Its not beacuse of demons etc considering necromancy messes around with such beings yet the school is not outlawed because its "useful" and practised in a major country burial rites. Even spirit healers are allowed because they are "useful" when the chantry said spirits in general should not be trusted. 

 

Same reason why they use blood magic in the joining and the mages phylactery because its "useful".  

[raging_monkey]

WoT says BM gaines power from pain and suffering

[Bigdoser]

WoT says BM gaines power from pain and suffering

Well I stand corrected I really do need that book bet eh if its used against an enemy and not on innocents I have no problem with that. Problem is most people don't have that self control hence its banned. 

 

 

As someone who normally plays a blood mage I hope bioware goes into the necromancy of the Mortalitasi considering its "sanctioned" technically and they are messing around with spirits(I put demons under this umbrella as well) and shoving and binding them into corpses. I am quite interested on how they pulled it off considering normally you need blood magic to have enough power to do such a thing. 

 

Since normally those kinds of things require LOADS of lyrium and mana the amount normal mages don't really have, well we do know they are the only ones pushing the limits of Magic apart from the tevinter. Hence why other circle mages fear them and chantry bringing out the propaganda machine on them calling them a death cult etc and all kinds of other names.  

[raging_monkey]

Well I stand corrected I really do need that book bet eh if its used against an enemy and not on innocents I have no problem with that. Problem is most people don't have that self control hence its banned.

i see it as people never learn self-control if the choice is taken from them. I imagine if people are taught BM responsibly things could be different

[Br3admax]

Don't know if someone already said this but Gaider himself confirmed in an interview with Lady Insanity that both the Joining and Phylacteries are a form of blood magic. I'm afraid I can't link the video(posting from my phone) but you'll find it in her channel.

That really didn't change my point, since Gaider also made the distinction between "blood magic" and the "School of Blood." 

[JudgeOverdose]

I am against blood magic.

 

There has been no real cost to the player for using it through the first two games, and it can't be used it in by the Inquisitor, but seeing the costs that NPCs have paid, and having read about it in the novels, I do not find its use to be justifiable.

 

That said, I would not strictly condemn others for using it, but I can't feign enthusiasm for cleaning up whatever messes are made with it.

[Bigdoser]

i see it as people never learn self-control if the choice is taken from them. I imagine if people are taught BM responsibly things could be different

True I personally hold the belief that blood magic should be studied in a controlled environment but I doubt the chantry is ever going to allow such a thing. 

[EmissaryofLies]

I am willing to use any tool at my disposal to achieve my ends. Calculated risks have never done me wrong.

 

Blood Magic, Necromancy, working with slavers? As long as it works, why not?

[raging_monkey]

True I personally hold the belief that blood magic should be studied in a controlled environment but I doubt the chantry is ever going to allow such a thing.

thats why you do it in the desert where nobody gets hurt lol

[CapivaRasgor]

That really didn't change my point, since Gaider also made the distinction between "blood magic" and the "School of Blood."

What was your point? (Honest question). When I replied I belived you were debating the point of the poster right above you about the Joining and Phylqcteries...

Also this whole School of Blood vs Blood Magic seems intentionally vague. A vagueness I believe to be the result of the taboo against studying the school. Were there more researches on it (and for the record I'm not saying it should) the distinction would be clearer.

[CapivaRasgor]

thats why you do it in the desert where nobody gets hurt lol

Well, Asunder kinda disproves the "sh*t can't happen in the desert" part.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I'm all for it.

 

It posesses great power and there's still more to be learned from it. Immortality may even be possible.

[raging_monkey]

Well, Asunder kinda disproves the "sh*t can't happen in the desert" part.

i was being a wisea** lol im a joker remember