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[hellbiter88]

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[Giantdeathrobot]

Thedas has the same problem as Westeros in Game of Thrones. The actual size of the world/continent is so small that it becomes implausible. As you can see in the maps below - the actual size of these worlds are not big enough to populate enough cities, farms, houses etc. for making a believable world. In both Thedas and Westeros, there are lots of groups, houses, great houses, farmlands, organizations etc - but in no way the actual land mass to support this as believable real life comparison locations.

Thedas is slightly better made than Westeros in this regard. Also this problem of "small scale" would also affect wildlife, nature and available resources - not only human population - making it even worse. In George R.R. Martin and David Gaider's defense, there comes a point where you have to consider practicality over believability and realism. If the maps where made alot larger - then what would suffer would be details. Like "Do I want this small nation to be very detailed, with every area being important and matter? Or do I want to create a much bigger area that uses "filler" land for realism?" (As I picture it, that is my opinion on the possible thought process).
 

 

 

 

Uh, Westeros is the size of South America if not bigger. It takes months to go from the Wall to Dorne if not on a ship. The North alone is said to be about the size of continental Europe. And Europe has incredible cultural diversity, so what you said just doesn't make sense to me.

 

As for Thedas, it does seem pretty small. It's mostly inconsistent, however; Origins implies that the Warden spent a year, if not more, traveling around the country. But an entire army can force march across half of it in two days, and an army is much slower than a party of less than a dozen. That would mean Ferelden is really small, like not even the size of Ireland small.

 

EDIT: also, doesn't Alistair say Weisshaupt is thousands of miles from Ferelden or something along those lines? Maybe it's hundreds. Because that gives us a decent base, it's basically on the opposite end of Thedas.

[WardenoftheFade]

I could be just imagining things, but I seem to recall that if you spoke with Dagna after having obtained her quest but before having completed it (assuming you agreed to help her), she mentioned, or you could mention, I forget, that it would take at least one week to get from Orzammar to Kinloch Hold. If you look on the in game map, the distance from the entrance of Orzammar to Kinloch Hold is fairly short; the distance from Kinloch Hold to Denerim is twice to three times that length, and from Redcliffe to Denerim is even further. Again, don't quote me on the week from Orzammar to Kinloch Hold thing, I would have to replay that again to double check, but that tidbit of information for whatever reason has stuck in my mind and has always made me think that Ferelden alone was insanely large.

 

I did some googling, trying to find a decent representation...I found this map. I think it is likely just some fan's best guess, but it puts every inch on the full-size version as 18 miles. 

[Lebanese Dude]

Known world. Early Medieval Europe's Earth was considered very tiny, since Europe was the only known land by many, many people. Thedas is probably Earth-sized, if not larger, and there are likely many continents we've not seen and may never see.

 

That's why I said "known world"

[Medhia_Nox]

Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome knew India and China existed. 

 

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Also - the Crimson Oars clearly state in DA:O that they've traveled over the entire world.  Of course this could mean "Known World" of Thedas - but that claim is hardly impressive. 

[WardenoftheFade]

I was actually underestimating initially--I just went through on one of my saves to talk to Dagna again and according to her it takes two weeks and four days minimum to get from Orzammar to Kinloch Hold. So I'd say Ferelden alone is pretty huge, but there are massive inconsistencies with how it's mapped out.

[Tevinter Soldier]

It takes a couple of days to go from Redcliffe to Denerim. That's how long it took a forced march.

Assuming a march is around 5km/hr with around 12 hours of walking a day, that's 60km a day.

So the distance from Redcliffe and Denerim is around 200-300 km at most.

Lets take it as 250. That means the diameter of Fereldan is around 300.

Fereldan has a relatively square shape so its area is around 90000km^2

Fereldan is around 1/8th of the surface area of the known world.

So the known world has a surface area of around 720000km^2 (~Area of Texas)

So you see it's a pretty small world.

Val Royeaux is only ~12 days walking from Denerim.

 

that's assuming the map is to scale or accurate:

 

here's what the romans went on as a map of "the world"

[xkg]

^ Take the European part of that map, add Scandinavia at the top to get Thedas map rotad 180°

 

 

 

 

  

Now rotate 180° that globe image I posted before.

 

 

 

Does it looks familiar ?

[CROAT_56]

so I'm from Tevintor eh?  I'll take it as long as I get a Mobari.  Also after hearing it takes 2 weeks 4 days to get to kinloch from Orzamar we should do the math again.

 

Using the 60km/day formula the distance would be 1,080km from Orzamar to Kinloch

 

 

Lets say from Kinloch to Denerim is 2.5x that so 2700km

 

so if someone wants to finish this you can basically get the idea of the size of Thedas which looks to be much bigger than Texas.

[AppealToReason]

Its the size of the greatest place on earth, the moon.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

^ Take the European part of that map, add Scandinavia at the top to get Thedas map rotad 180°

 

 

 

 

  

Now rotate 180° that globe image I posted before.

 

 

 

Does it looks familiar ?

You need to scale up those pics

[Weltea]

 

 

As for Thedas, it does seem pretty small. It's mostly inconsistent, however; Origins implies that the Warden spent a year, if not more, traveling around the country. But an entire army can force march across half of it in two days, and an army is much slower than a party of less than a dozen. That would mean Ferelden is really small, like not even the size of Ireland small.

 

 

Less then a year I'd say. Hawke can meet Anders almost immediately after their first year. That means the events of Awakening (possibly up to Witch Hunt) must have already happened.

As for the other months: your Warden potential walks a lot back and forth and in circles etc to get everybody on board and to do every quest...

How an Army from Redcliffe can reach Denerim in 2 days I have zero explantion for, especially since it apparently takes a week from Redcliffe to the Mage Tower...if you however assume that Eamon (or whoever it was) misspoke and it's not two days but two weeks it would fit...

[Elfyoth]

Dagna said it takes 2 weeks to get from Orzammar to the Circle of Magi in Ferelden.