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So, it's totally cool to run people over and shoot them in GTA but not in this game? Where was the outrage when Rockstar let the player hog tie a helpless woman and put her on the train tracks to be killed in Red Dead Redemption? The fact of the matter is that most games today are very violent. I watched the trailer for Hatred and I don't see a difference between it and GTA, other than shooting people being the main attraction in Hatred.

 

I think what people have a real problem with is the main character's motives in Hatred. I really think that's all it is. If it isn't, and you play GTA or other violent games, well then you're just a hypocrite.



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You don't have to agree with the game to enjoy it. That's why there are things like role-playing.

 

Seriously, if I had to agree with everything in a game in order to enjoy it, then I wouldn't even be gaming at all.

That's actually kind of sad if somebody has to justify their video game endeavors as "role-playing". That seems like a copout so people don't admit that they don't have a problem playing certain games where others might.

 

"How many times have you ran over an innocent bystander in GTA?"

 

"Oh, it's ok. I'm role-playing a drunk driver."



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So, it's totally cool to run people over and shoot them in GTA but not in this game? Where was the outrage when Rockstar let the player hog tie a helpless woman and put her on the train tracks to be killed in Red Dead Redemption? The fact of the matter is that most games today are very violent. I watched the trailer for Hatred and I don't see a difference between it and GTA, other than shooting people being the main attraction in Hatred.

 

I think what people have a real problem with is the main character's motives in Hatred. I really think that's all it is. If it isn't, and you play GTA or other violent games, well then you're just a hypocrite.

 

So do you think killing innocent civilians, looking at a soccer mom who's begging your for her life then casually blowing her brains out (and getting a cinematic closeup while you do so), is the same as killing terrorists? Because that's what you're saying when you generalize to "violent games."



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So, it's totally cool to run people over and shoot them in GTA but not in this game? Where was the outrage when Rockstar let the player hog tie a helpless woman and put her on the train tracks to be killed in Red Dead Redemption? The fact of the matter is that most games today are very violent. I watched the trailer for Hatred and I don't see a difference between it and GTA, other than shooting people being the main attraction in Hatred.

 

I think what people have a real problem with is the main character's motives in Hatred. I really think that's all it is. If it isn't, and you play GTA or other violent games, well then you're just a hypocrite.

I've only played a bit of GTA IV, so I couldn't say. I wouldn't say that it's "totally cool" shoot people in other games, but they certainly make it seem more fun than Hatred does, I'd have to play Hatred to say for sure. But think about it, if that Nathan Explosion guy with the fake batman voice had been shooting people with toasters out of Fallout 3's Rock It Launcher, the trailer wouldn't have been disturbing, it would have been funny. I don't care if Hatred is ethical or not, I just don't think it looks fun.



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So do you think killing innocent civilians, looking at a soccer mom who's begging your for her life then casually blowing her brains out (and getting a cinematic closeup while you do so), is the same as killing terrorists? Because that's what you're saying when you generalize to "violent games."

In GTA, you can kill anyone, including soccer moms who, may or may not be terrorists. Why do you not hold that game to the same standard? Is it really something as arbitrary as a close-up kill cam that makes you want to create a double standard?

 

I've only played a bit of GTA IV, so I couldn't say. I wouldn't say that it's "totally cool" shoot people in other games, but they certainly make it seem more fun than Hatred does, I'd have to play Hatred to say for sure. But think about it, if that Nathan Explosion guy with the fake batman voice had been shooting people with toasters out of Fallout 3's Rock It Launcher, the trailer wouldn't have been disturbing, it would have been funny. I don't care if Hatred is ethical or not, I just don't think it looks fun.

That's why I say it's the context and motivations that people have a problem with. If it were silly, nobody would care. It's because the character says he's going to kill people just to satisfy himself that people have a problem with. Even when you play as the bad guy in a game, the game often portrays your evil actions in a positive light and promotes the idea of the ends justify the means. In this case, it's just personal satisfaction of going on a killing spree. People who can't or simply don't want to separate reality from fiction would naturally have a hard time dealing with this sort of thing.

 

I, however, have no trouble separating the two. It's often difficult for me to become immersed in video games as a result. I view digital characters as digital characters. I may relate to them or even sometimes feel something for them, but I can always see the man behind the curtain, so to speak.


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Humans were a peaceful and loving race before violent video games and media like this started coming out.
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Then the fire nation attacked!


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In GTA, you can kill anyone, including soccer moms who, may or may not be terrorists. Why do you not hold that game to the same standard? Is it really something as arbitrary as a close-up kill cam that makes you want to create a double standard?


You said "GTA and other violent games." What other violent games were you referring to?

I wasn't referring to GTA.

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Anyone who is offended by this would lose their minds if they ever went to Newgrounds. It's just mindless entertainment, honestly. Doesn't really help or hurt society, tbh.



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So do you think killing innocent civilians, looking at a soccer mom who's begging your for her life then casually blowing her brains out (and getting a cinematic closeup while you do so), is the same as killing terrorists? Because that's what you're saying when you generalize to "violent games."

I launched nuclear missiles in Fallout 3 & NV killing a lot of innocents, i killed all the characters i meet and slaughtered every city and village. Same goes for Skyrim except i also killed little kids there. I ripped out the spines from scientists as a Predator & Alien in AvP games who are just hiding in the corners and begging for the lives. I punched an old woman in Deus EX: HR and later beat and stabbed a bunch of prostitutes in the alley. You kill a lot of innocent people in MW2 when you slaughter entire airport. In Sims 2-3 i trapped people in the basement and starved them to death. I massacred entire city in Dishonored and killed every civilian i saw.

 

GTA is not the only franchise where you can play as a psycho who goes on a killing rampage.

Atari already had a game called Texas Chainsaw Massacre where you play as the slasher and you go around killing little girls.

 

Hatred trailer is just one big bait and a lot of people took the bait.



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I launched nuclear missiles in Fallout 3 & NV killing a lot of innocents, i killed all the characters i meet and slaughtered every city and village. Same goes for Skyrim except i also killed little kids there. I ripped out the spines from scientists as a Predator & Alien in AvP games who are just hiding in the corners and begging for the lives. I punched an old woman in Deus EX: HR and later beat and stabbed a bunch of prostitutes in the alley. You kill a lot of innocent people in MW2 when you slaughter entire airport. In Sims 2-3 i trapped people in the basement and starved them to death.
 
GTA is not the only franchise where you can play as a psycho who goes on a killing rampage.
Atari already had a game called Texas Chainsaw Massacre where you play as the slasher and you go around killing little girls.
 
Hatred trailer is just one big bait and a lot of people took the bait. The best thing about the trailer are people who got buthurt over it. Meanwhile i'm just eating popcorn and laugh at them.


I'm not sure how any of this relates to what I'm saying, unless you're implying that these games are the only violent video games out there (and No Russian is not compulsory).

COD was actually my example. It's a game that has you fighting terrorists and their ilk, rather than killing innocents, and it's one of the most cited "violent video games" that people talk about beyond GTA.

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You said "GTA and other violent games." What other violent games were you referring to?

I wasn't referring to GTA.

It doesn't matter what you were referring to. I can list a handful of games that are just as violent as GTA and it wouldn't contribute one iota to this discussion. The question still stands.



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It doesn't matter what you were referring to. I can list a handful of games that are just as violent as GTA and it wouldn't contribute one iota to this discussion. The question still stands.

 

If you go back a page, you'll find I hold GTA to the exact same standard. That's why I was trying to get past that, and talk about your, quote, "other violent games." Are you referring to shooters like COD? because if so, you're equating casually blowing a soccer mom's brains out, with a cinematic close-up, to killing terrorists. You're saying they're the same thing.

 

Is that true, or when you said "violent games," were you actually not referring to "violent games" but "a specific subset of violent games that are all about killing innocent people?"



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I wonder if the reaction would be the same to a game like RapeLay, since it's not edgy Polish bros who totally aren't neo nazis behind it, but weird Japanese perverts. I understand the game was banned in Japan, which I'm pretty OK with.

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If you go back a page, you'll find I hold GTA to the exact same standard. That's why I was trying to get past that, and talk about your, quote, "other violent games." Are you referring to shooters like COD? because if so, you're equating casually blowing a soccer mom's brains out, with a cinematic close-up, to killing terrorists. You're saying they're the same thing.

 

Is that true, or when you said "violent games," were you actually not referring to "violent games" but "a specific subset of violent games that are all about killing innocent people?"

No, I was referring to violent video games in general.



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No, I was referring to violent video games in general.

 

My argument to that is that violent games in general do not all have you killing innocents. Regardless of motivation. So there IS a difference.



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My argument to that is that violent games in general do not all have you killing innocents. Regardless of motivation. So there IS a difference.

I would argue that most violent games today allow you to do exactly that.



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oh no

 

this aint good



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I would argue that most violent games today allow you to do exactly that.

 

I would point you once again to one of the most well-known "violent" video games outside of GTA, namely COD. Outside of one mission, you don't have the opportunity to kill innocents at all.



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Humans were a peaceful and loving race before violent video games and media like this started coming out.

And they think that entertainment now days is dangerous.  :whistle:

 

 

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This has been done before, as in every shooter game ever. The plot and the enemies just got a new paint job. The enemies in this are just made to look like civilians and cops with guns, instead of military combatants that are both armed and unarmed.


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Anybody see the new trailer? I think the rating is revealed for the first time, as far as I know.



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Anybody see the new trailer? I think the rating is revealed for the first time, as far as I know.

 

It's been known that it's rated AO for a few months now. Hopefully, this paves the way for other such AO rated games on steam and for uncensored rereleases of previous titles such as Huniepop.



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Doubt there are many decent AO rated games out there.



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Doubt there are many decent AO rated games out there.

 

There aren't many AO games period -> http://en.wikipedia....ted_video_games

 

Jubileus willing, with digital distribution and now an official AO release on steam, things will change and AO games will become more viable.



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I wish there was some sort of ACLU or other activists group that would fight the AO rating on this game and for the freedom of speech that has always been repressed by the ESRB, console developers, and major retailers.

 

then again it could be the australian classification board and their nazism