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[Torkelight]

FTFY. I can pull stats out of nowhere too.

Well, I'm trying to help you. If you dont want to listen... well then, do as you please. I dont care at all.

[Torkelight]

Elementalists are not the principle cause of the bug.

I have actually never said that, as an elementalist NOT using firestorm will hardly ever cause the key glitch. 

[J. Peterman]

Well, I'm trying to help you. If you dont want to listen... well then, do as you please. I dont care at all.

 

Well, you aren't "helping" if you're tossing around incorrect info, and I'm pretty sure I'm not complaining in here. And yes, I will do as I please.

[Torkelight]

Well, you aren't "helping" if you're tossing around incorrect info, and I'm pretty sure I'm not complaining in here. And yes, I will do as I please.

Whatever man. If I was wrong and it could be proven that I was, I would be happy. But as far as this case goes, and through my experiences from several 100s of extractions since the DLC and even more games in total, this is what I have concluded with and to be frank, the evidence is overwhelming as far as I'm concerned. I am not tossing around incorrect info. If my testing on solo-games isnt enough for you then nothing is, and that leads me to conclude that you are simply biased against pure logic.

I'm also pretty this is a supported view amongst most people who play loads of games on PC, as every person I actually talk to say exactly the same thing. We must be a bunch of idiots then,

 

[J. Peterman]

Whatever man. If I was wrong and it could be proven that I was, I would be happy. But as far as this case goes, and through my experiences from several 100s of extractions since the DLC and even more games in total, this is what I have concluded with and to be frank, the evidence is overwhelming as far as I'm concerned. I am not tossing around incorrect info. If my testing on solo-games isnt enough for you then nothing is, and that leads me to conclude that you are simply biased against pure logic.

I'm also pretty this is a supported view amongst most people who play loads of games on PC, as every person I actually talk to say exactly the same thing. We must be a bunch of idiots then,

 

I'll wait for them to come to your rescue.....

[nranola]

I never really found any use of unbowed. I used to think to the death was useless - but now I think it is mandatory. So I run Counterstrike, To the death, walking fortress and war cry or shield wall. I also used to feel naked not having shield wall but with to the death it is not really nescessary. Use it on large enemies and bosses and you can generate tons of guard just by hitting them.

 

If I'm surrounded by a lot of enemies, Unbowed fills up my guard to full instantly, so I like having it on for emergency situations - paired with War Cry, it gives me full guard while keeping aggro on me. I'll give those skills you mentioned a try on my next promotion, though; I'm always up for experimenting. Thanks!

[Torkelight]

I'll wait for them to come to your rescue.....

Why would I need rescue? I play alot, I rarely ever have the key glitch. I'm happy. If you are not convinced then I couldnt give a rats ass. Have a nice day.

[J. Peterman]

Why would I need rescue? I play alot, I rarely ever have the key glitch. I'm happy. If you are not convinced then I couldnt give a rats ass. Have a nice day.

 

You made a reference to PC players backing up your point of view...

[Torkelight]

If I'm surrounded by a lot of enemies, Unbowed fills up my guard to full instantly, so I like having it on for emergency situations - paired with War Cry, it gives me full guard while keeping aggro on me. I'll give those skills you mentioned a try on my next promotion, though; I'm always up for experimenting. Thanks!

counterstrike and walking fortress is for emergency situations. war cry is to be able to taunt more often, and to the death is to down larger enemies and bosses while also gaining guard. thats as far as I've tested the best build. You could add payback strike or shield wall, for stuns and safety, but on perilous f.ex. shield wall is completely useless. Payback strike for extra damage, knockdowns, interrupts, getting out of debilitation etc. but personally I prefer the taunt. I really dont find room for unbowed with those skills. That full guard will also peel off in one hit on perilous - so you need some other way to survive, that makes you close to invulnerable. 

[Torkelight]

You made a reference to PC players backing up your point of view...

Did I say someone would come to back me up? No I didnt. If they ever find their way to this forum, or could even be bothered - I think they would. But I never said that would happen. You have read my conclusion. If you choose not to listen to me or not is up to you. Like I said, I rarely ever get the key glitch, so I am satisfied with that. 

Are you?
 

[stysiaq]

Katari gets all the b****es.

 

Me + 3 Keepers, I felt like a total pimp, and then took them all to the theater.

 

Would play like this again.

[Torkelight]

Katari gets all the b****es.

 

Me + 3 Keepers, I felt like a total pimp, and then took them all to the theater.

 

Would play like this again.

Sounds like you were the center of attention...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Well, I have been testing this quite a lot actually. I call it playing shitloads. While I havent written down the results, I do know that the glitch rarely EVER happens to me anymore at all, while it happens a lot to other people. And the only thing I'm doing differently, is that I avoid elementalists in PUG games.

There is no bias involved. It is just simple logic.

 

The term I used was "confirmation bias." And you are not using the word "logic" correctly.

 

Mines can easily cause the glitch. If that was used.

 

I'm going to juxtapose two things you said in the same post:

 

I do know that the glitch rarely EVER happens to me anymore at all, while it happens a lot to other people. And the only thing I'm doing differently, is that I avoid elementalists in PUG games.

 

 

Mines can easily cause the glitch.

 

Confirmation bias refers to your unwillingness to acknowledge evidence that does not confirm what you already believe.

 

My observation, and that of others, is that the bug is caused by a wide variety of factors.

 

Your solution did not work for me. Pulling numbers off the top of your head is not going to change that. My solution is 100% effective at resolving the key glitch. I uninstalled the DLC. No more key glitch. Doors work correctly 100% of the time. It is "logical" to use a solution that proves to be 100% effective at resolving a problem that is interfering with what I am doing.

[nranola]

counterstrike and walking fortress is for emergency situations. war cry is to be able to taunt more often, and to the death is to down larger enemies and bosses while also gaining guard. thats as far as I've tested the best build. You could add payback strike or shield wall, for stuns and safety, but on perilous f.ex. shield wall is completely useless. Payback strike for extra damage, knockdowns, interrupts, getting out of debilitation etc. but personally I prefer the taunt. I really dont find room for unbowed with those skills. That full guard will also peel off in one hit on perilous - so you need some other way to survive, that makes you close to invulnerable. 

 

Very insightful.  I took a peek at Counterstrike, and it looks like it could substitute for what I'm trying to do with War Cry + Unbowed. Might be reason enough for me to get rid of Unbowed all together as I use it more as a buffer for guard generation than anything else.

 

It'll be a long, long time before I venture into Perilous, but I'll file that in my brain for the far-off future. 

 

 

Just to keep on topic... Last group was a wipe, with two players idling - one I assume was stuck at the loading screen, the other one was able to move but refused to follow us for some reason.

[Torkelight]

My solution is 100% effective at resolving the key glitch. I uninstalled the DLC. No more key glitch. Maps work correctly 100% of the time.

That is correct. It is the only way to avoid the key glitch 100% of the time.

If you choose not to believe me, then thats your choice. I guess having experience from between 500-1000 games post DLC doesnt mean that you know what you are talking about. But thats fine. As long as it works perfectly for me, I shouldnt care at all to recommend to other people the same method.... 

You guys have a nice day you hear. I wont get lulled into discussing this any further.

EDIT: Oh. Just one last comment on this - you say that there are a variety of factors that can trigger the glitch. Well, like I said, hundreds of games and no key glitch, with probably the whole rainbow of skills available to all characters. Then one firestorm on a stage with dogs and then boom: key glitch. Do you really blame me for not playing pugs with ele's? Can you btw remind me how many extractions you had again?

[Shadowson]

 

i feel like this is appropriate for here

[Torkelight]

i feel like this is appropriate for here

I guess it is.

[J. Peterman]

Did I say someone would come to back me up? No I didnt. If they ever find their way to this forum, or could even be bothered - I think they would. But I never said that would happen. You have read my conclusion. If you choose not to listen to me or not is up to you. Like I said, I rarely ever get the key glitch, so I am satisfied with that. Are you?

I'm very satisfied. I also thought I made it perfectly clear your conclusion was flawed, so it's obvious I won't be paying attention to your advice.

[Torkelight]

I'm very satisfied. I also thought I made it perfectly clear your conclusion was flawed, so it's obvious I won't be paying attention to your advice

Good for you. Now I dont know what platform you are on, or if it has the same issues as on PC - but if you ever come back complaining about elementalists using firestorm on dogs - dont blame me for saying "told you so". 

All I hope is that it will be fixed asap so I can play the god class in pugs without being scared that dogs will glitch the game.

[DrKilledbyDeath]

Just say NO to elementalists.

[J. Peterman]

Good for you. Now I dont know what platform you are on, or if it has the same issues as on PC - but if you ever come back complaining about elementalists using firestorm on dogs - dont blame me for saying "told you so". 

All I hope is that it will be fixed asap so I can play the god class in pugs without being scared that dogs will glitch the game.

 

I've never once complained about elementalists and dogs, so you won't ever be in a position to say you told me so.

[Torkelight]

I've never once complained about elementalists and dogs, so you won't ever be in a position to say you told me so.

Haha. Sure sure. Whatever you say. Godspeed. I hope the keys will drop for you in every game, as the chinese say when they bid their farewell...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I had the good fortune of PuGing Threatening, only to run into a group of three friends who had clearly been playing for some time. They commented pretty quickly about how I was better than the majority of PuGs they ran into (which gave me a warm fuzzy, even though they clearly failed to see what a total scrub I am.)

 

I stuck around for 3 or 4 games, including a couple of runs against demons in a row that went very well (although we did fail one of them with only a couple of guys left.)

 

They also clearly lurked the forums, since they knew about several of the game's less-obvious bugs.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

EDIT: Oh. Just one last comment on this - you say that there are a variety of factors that can trigger the glitch. Well, like I said, hundreds of games and no key glitch, with probably the whole rainbow of skills available to all characters. Then one firestorm on a stage with dogs and then boom: key glitch. Do you really blame me for not playing pugs with ele's? Can you btw remind me how many extractions you had again?

 

Wow. You really felt the need to go there, huh?

 

Confirmation bias doesn't have a time limit, so I'm not really concerned with how many extractions you have. I played 10 games without elementalists in them after installing the DLC, and 5 of them produced the key glitch. In some cases, more than once, even after the host left.

 

Your subjective experience is irrelevant if the key glitch is screwing with half of my games.

 

And you were the one who criticized me for removing the DLC. You are the one discounting my observations of the key glitch. I have no interest in beating my head against a brick wall in a thread that's supposed to be about people's experiences PuGing the game. If your solution works for you, great. It didn't work for me. Claiming superiority because of how many extractions you have isn't going to change anything, but it is going to make you look like a douche.

 

You can feel free to have the last word about it to your heart's content. I'm going to go back to talking about PuGs.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

 

 

 

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