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[maSu]

You can still do great damage as a level 1 without pact belt and a 30% HOK on your Hakkon staff

Just depends on promotes.

 

Okay. Low promos not welcome?

How did anyone got high promos then? Everyone played solo until 200/200/200? i dont think so. 

Everyone was a low promo player. If you dont like new players, if they got kicked because of low promos or something like this, you are killing your own game community.

 

As i said: play private then if hakkon staff and 100+ cunning is the minimum requirement to play with you.

 

(i already met some guys of the top20 leaderboard which were great "babysitters". And they enjoied playing with 3 beginners - helping them, talking to them or just playing a fast round because low promo players are still able to play "good"  -well not at lvl1 ... but high promo players should know this)

[Silversmurf]

Iol I don't mind new players. I have been helping Autumn whose prestige is 243.

They way I read your post it sounded like you were shitting on new players that removed the pact belt.

[maSu]

They way I read your post it sounded like you were shitting on new players that removed the pact belt.

 

Not really. I know that im able to be usefull with belt with a little bit babysitting - minimum teamplay is required.

 

I dont care about other players way to play. If others dont have that belt or dont want to use it for any reason: its okay. But if im not using the belt, i personally feel like i would leech EXP because 20 autoattacks are less effective than 1 CL with belt. i dont care about players which got bad items, but if they are definitely not perilous ready (lvl10+), they should leave (or they will be kicked after a few maps).

Example: Yesterday i played with an arcane warrior. Low damage. Bad staff, no pact belt. But he didnt die - most of the time. He played carefully, tried to use some CC. Everything was fine. Made 2 promos with him. Well, we failed in castle each time, when i was lvl1. But i got enough Exp to reach lvl8 - enough for reaver.

[BronzTrooper]

Okay. Low promos not welcome?

How did anyone got high promos then? Everyone played solo until 200/200/200? i dont think so. 

Everyone was a low promo player. If you dont like new players, if they got kicked because of low promos or something like this, you are killing your own game community.

 

As i said: play private then if hakkon staff and 100+ cunning is the minimum requirement to play with you.

 

(i already met some guys of the top20 leaderboard which were great "babysitters". And they enjoied playing with 3 beginners - helping them, talking to them or just playing a fast round because low promo players are still able to play "good"  -well not at lvl1 ... but high promo players should know this)

 

There's a threshold for when newer players become more of a burden, potentially resulting in a wipe (Perilous+, mostly).  Some people don't have the promotions/patience to do a Perilous match where 1-2 of the players simply can't handle the difficulty.  This isn't even including people who leach.

 

I have no issues with carrying people on Threatening, but I won't carry on Perilous because I don't have the promotions to handle carrying (there are times when I fail to clutch Threatening matches, though that's rare and depends on which character I'm playing).  Promolords are a different story, since they mostly tend to hang around Nightmare and Heartbreaker, iirc.

 

Then there's the people who automatically assume that anyone playing a level 1 character of any type will simply die a lot (which is a trait that isn't restricted by difficulty) and automatically vote to kick.  I'm willing to give level 1s a shot for Threatening and Perilous (not so much on Nightmare, but that's more to do with me not having the promotions and gear to confidently go into Nightmare with a group that I'm unfamiliar with) since I know that there's a good chance that someone bringing a level 1 to Threatening or Perilous knows what they're doing (I bring level 1s onto Threatening all the time).

 

Randoms can be very harsh when it comes to people who drop into the lobby with a low-level character.  I've been lucky and haven't run into the truly harsh players, but if you read back in this thread, you'll see that others aren't so lucky.

[maSu]

Then there's the people who automatically assume that anyone playing a level 1 character of any type will simply die a lot (which is a trait that isn't restricted by difficulty) and automatically vote to kick. 

 

Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy:

"i dont care about teamplay and lvl1 players, i'm not their babysitter, because they will die anyway!"

 

Yea, they WILL die if there is no teamplay. I played with a 2000+ prestige guy. I promoted my arcane warrior (perilous, castle), he was keeper. I kept on my belt. Another player promoted too. What happened?

 

Expected:

Everyone died except the 2000+ prestige guy which killed everything on its own.

 

What happened really?

He just casted barrier all the time and didnt kill many enemies after he got his 15 kill series - well he attacked sometimes, but he wanted that WE play too. 2 lvl1 low promo players killed most enemies on their own. Killspeed was okay. It was just amazing: He tanked most damage: casted barrier, stood in front of us to catch all projectiles. He helped on killing some strong enemies.

 

This was not the last time i met him. And its great to play with such players because everyone enjoy such rounds. The game is more than Exp per second.

[Silversmurf]

You were carried. That's not playing.

Stop leeching and play a lower difficulty until you are ready.

[maSu]

You were carried. That's not playing.

Stop leeching and play a lower difficulty until you are ready.

 

Nobody died. Everyone got high killseries. Killspeed was okay. So what?

 

He could have left the game in lobby. But he didnt. And if the host resets to "threatening" most non lvl1 players would just leave.

[BronzTrooper]

You were carried. That's not playing.

Stop leeching and play a lower difficulty until you are ready.

 

Pretty sure that participating for the entire match doesn't count as leeching.

[BronzTrooper]

Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy:

"i dont care about teamplay and lvl1 players, i'm not their babysitter, because they will die anyway!"

 

Yea, they WILL die if there is no teamplay. I played with a 2000+ prestige guy. I promoted my arcane warrior (perilous, castle), he was keeper. I kept on my belt. Another player promoted too. What happened?

 

Expected:

Everyone died except the 2000+ prestige guy which killed everything on its own.

 

What happened really?

He just casted barrier all the time and didnt kill many enemies after he got his 15 kill series - well he attacked sometimes, but he wanted that WE play too. 2 lvl1 low promo players killed most enemies on their own. Killspeed was okay. It was just amazing: He tanked most damage: casted barrier, stood in front of us to catch all projectiles. He helped on killing some strong enemies.

 

This was not the last time i met him. And its great to play with such players because everyone enjoy such rounds. The game is more than Exp per second.

 

I did a Perilous match yesterday where the last person standing on zone 5 (vs. darkspawn on Ferelden Castle) was a level 1 Elementalist with over 1800 health.  There was decent teamwork (keeping each other covered, disrupting enemies when someone needed to be revived, etc.), but we simply got overwhelmed (didn't help that I got dropped 3 times in a row, all before I could actually get a chance to take a step forward when I got revived- apparently the darkspawn loved attacking my Elementalist...).

 

Promotions and the skill of the individual player tend to have just as much of an impact on the survival of a level 1 as teamwork does (given enough promotions, teamwork won't even be a factor).  Teamwork helps, but it's not necessarily the only thing that will prevent level 1s from getting dropped.

[Rhorim]

Yea, taking off the belt = kick because "low damage".

Handling 2 archers on perilous with pact belt = 1 Chain lightning.

Handle them without belt=close to death.

 

Playing just with autoattacks and without pact belt is same as doing nothing or just leeching exp.

actually i have 8 healthbars (visible for me AND other players) while wearing pact belt ... due to several bugs (=130 health or something like that).

 

Well, normally players play more than one round.

Yes you can create a new lobby after each match, but why?

 

If im playing with at least 1 friend and up to two random public players, it is not a problem at all: i promote, he is around lvl18. I'll be lvl 10+ when he will be lvl1 again. Other players can accept this ... or they can leave. 99% stay in game because they know that it's just each 5th or 6th game wich will be a little bit slower, but in average time needed for each map is still okay.

 

1 Map = 10-15 Minutes (castle +5 minutes).

 

Players which cant think further than the next 10 Minutes.... k thx bye ;x

 

 

 

In short: why do you play with other players then? This is this "social thing": strong players helping weaker players. 

On same or similar (lower) promotion level each player will be weak and kind of useless after promotion (compared to his teammates).

 

Maybe the game is more than EXP per Minute. Maybe its about teamplay, meeting other players, talking in partychat ......... having fun.

 

If you dont want to "babysit" other players, play private games. If you play publics: deal with low promos. deal with lvl1 players which need a babysitter for a single(!) map.

 

Why should I have to babysit?  Having to watch over someone that will get one-shotted doesn't help my grind.  If I'm with friends thats a different matter.  PUGs with a sense of entitlement?  red skull. 

[lcneed]

Yea, taking off the belt = kick because "low damage".

 

I don't think people get kicked from "low damage".   They get kicked because they kept dying.   But I think you have made up your mind about wearing pact belt on your level 1 AW at PUGs.

[Thesexyscot]

i can solo peril on my lvl 1 but most cases recently  other players come in and fade 4 or 5 times its a struggle to get 1 person who should be in perilous making it impossible to finish and adding 20 minutes on to the total time, the point of teamplay is to make it easier not absurdly hard 

[AutumnWitch]

It seems to me that a PuG is like going to the park and looking for people to join you in a game of football (soccer). You get who you get just by luck of the draw. If you are looking for certain level of players than you should make sure they are or aren't that level before playing. If you are that picky then just invite your mates so you know what you are getting into.

 

Having a bad attitude about who you "pick up" at a random location for a PUG then complaining about it, is more a reflection of your own character than that of the people joining in. 

[Rhorim]

Think when you're  trying to join a game at the park one doesn't go and try to join a bunch of semi pro looking people unless you're that athletic.  An individual should know their limits.  Yes, I think we can complain about the PuGs that join, and get one shotted and then decide to take on a revenant after being rez'd.  

 

You think this bad, should have played about a year ago.  People were a lot more picky on pugs.  

[Silversmurf]

It seems to me that a PuG is like going to the park and looking for people to join you in a game of football (soccer). You get who you get just by luck of the draw. If you are looking for certain level of players than you should make sure they are or aren't that level before playing. If you are that picky then just invite your mates so you know what you are getting into.

Having a bad attitude about who you "pick up" at a random location for a PUG then complaining about it, is more a reflection of your own character than that of the people joining in.

I read that in a Templar voice ....

[maSu]

Yesterday we killed NM dragons. Well, we tried. A lvl2 templar joined and we decided to to do the dragon spontaneously, so i was reaver and i know: MY reaver on NM sucks. Well, we made it (thanks to the AW which did 1/3 of fourth area alone). Templar was 99% dead since first area. I died my third time on fourth floor (red templars.... tons of ranged enemies, not funny for reaver). Well. No kick. Nothing. Dragon was as easy as usual.

 

If you play public, everyone may join.

 

- Bad players which need to be carried.

- Normal players which would fit best.

- Promo Lords which carry the whole game (well... most players need some kills to stay allive - health on kill - a promo lord which is killing everything might result in more deaths because most players wont be able to heal).

 

Yesterday we had some good players and some bad players. Well after my reaver was lvl20 i switched to AW and we got demons and demons and demons ... on NM - pretty easy.

 

I dont care. Well, i'm not happy about fails (especially if i called the dragon .... cotton !! ;p), but if im playing with a friend and 2 random players, it might happen.

[mfr001]

Think when you're  trying to join a game at the park one doesn't go and try to join a bunch of semi pro looking people unless you're that athletic.  An individual should know their limits.  Yes, I think we can complain about the PuGs that join, and get one shotted and then decide to take on a revenant after being rez'd.  

 

You think this bad, should have played about a year ago.  People were a lot more picky on pugs.  

The problem is that there is no way to identify the semi-pros and pros. Titles and badges don't necessarily reflect the ability of the player, and may be misleading in either direction. I wear my "Wraith Rovers" badge with pride (They'll be dancing in the streets of  ...). It would be misleading if I used  one particular title, which is more a reflection of the people I was playing with when I got it. My contribution was staying alive - well mostly.

 

I have come across several players who work well with less powerful players. Three of them watched my Lego kill a bear, very, very slowly at the end of FC Zone 1, where others would have killed it quickly to move on. If you are reading this, thanks, only 1800 to go!

[Rhorim]

Thats true, but I lay the responsibility on the person that is trying to join a match.  They know what they are capable of doing, but either they think highly of themselves or is trying to get a free ride.  Personally unless its on the last round, or pvp heartbreaker, watching from the fade is one of the most boring experiences ever.  

[Minuos]

watching from the fade is one of the most boring experiences ever.  

 

Very true. Once you've checked how much health everyone has, there's nothing else to do.

[CremeDelight]

Technically you can try and place attack marks on enemy assassins so your team can spot the stealthed enemies, but still....

[lcneed]

Very true. Once you've checked how much health everyone has, there's nothing else to do.

 

Not if you have a mic and it is set to be always on.   I have enjoyed many matches with the person in the fade giving information about enemies... 2 bolters around the corner, assassin behind you coming up fast...   or some entertain you by singing... telling you about their work... and such..... quite fun.

[Rhorim]

I had one throw up, I pretty much insta-mute everyone now.

[Silversmurf]

I had one throw up, I pretty much insta-mute everyone now.

I haven't laughed out loud so hard like that in a long time.

Thank you so much haha

[AutumnWitch]

In the short time I have been playing I have heard a nice conversation on masturbation techniques, two people watching porn in the BG (or I ASSUME it was porn and not the real thing ), a cat meowing non-stop the entire run, a parrot with a rather "colourful" vocabulary and two people arguing very seriously over who was more powerful, Gandalf or Dumbledore. 

[Gya]

In the short time I have been playing I have heard a nice conversation on masturbation techniques, two people watching porn in the BG (or I ASSUME it was porn and not the real thing ), a cat meowing non-stop the entire run, a parrot with a rather "colourful" vocabulary and two people arguing very seriously over who was more powerful, Gandalf or Dumbledore.

Gandalf the Grey or Gandalf the White?