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[AutumnWitch]

I'm glad we can disagree and still be friends

Respect the host as I do. I don't force anyone to join my games. Everyone is selfish to some extent.

Gold means nothing to me just like the Banker challenge that I will never complete.

 

As long as it's a private game,... if you start a public PUG then play ball and help out.  If wanting everyone to get more gold for is selfish than I guess I am selfish. Also, by killing any baddies in the TR you get more XP. So it also helps with XP generation and spider challange.

 

 

That being said, I won't open a TR unless I can kill any baddies within. That is why I won't always open a NM TR during the run because the Revenants all still a bit over my pay grade. So I am dependant on help and as I don't want to release a pissed off Revenant during the game so I wait until I can get help.

[Snakebite]

Sorry I think that is just selfish and not "team oriented". And as far as I know you still don't have the banker challenge so every pence counts and it really helps us NOOBS.

And it's not selfish to feel entitled to other people going out of their way to help you all the time?

No one will ever get the banker challenge. "Every pence/penny counts" is a fallacy, both in this context and in real life.

[Silversmurf]

My friends who have stopped playing used to release Revenants on me all the time and laugh on the mic. Back in oh......April 2015 if my screenshot dates are correct.

Damn I have a lot of DAMP screenshots. Was nice looking through all 527 of them.

Good times. Good memories.

[AutumnWitch]

Think I'll start hosting my perilous matches with no banner etc and see what happens.

 

You know when I join a PUG lobby and see one person playing on NM or Peri I will generally not join because I don't want to be a hindrance by possibly fading out. (Unless it's someone like Silversmurf or another heavy hitter I know will be ok.).  I did a few two people NM runs with ImbuedBlade and that was sooooooooooooooooooooo stressful. Don't want to let people down.

[AutumnWitch]

And it's not selfish to feel entitled to other people going out of their way to help you all the time?

No one will ever get the banker challenge. "Every pence/penny counts" is a fallacy, both in this context and in real life.

 

 

Hmmmm yes..... I guess saving all my pennies and retiring at 40 was a fallacy. 

 

It's a team game... IMO if you are at the point where you don't need to "team" maybe it's time to play a new game or just do solo runs in private games.

 

EDIT: Also, if I can't open a room due to it being a different class yes I need help but that is not my fault, that is the fact that I can't play all three classes at one time.... Hmmmmm.....      Maybe a Acrane-Warrier-Archer?  That would be sweet!

[Silversmurf]

Every game with that guy is stressful. I avoid.

Just saying.

[AutumnWitch]

Every game with that guy is stressful. I avoid.

Just saying.

 

He invites me to HB games which means a lot to me. Anyone who invites me to NM or HB games automatically gets big Autumn Witch hugs.

 

Spoiler

  

[xXAnkisethXx]

I usually play with a friend, to try to help him out since he just started playing, and usually it's us and 2 more randoms. A few times we've seen Autumn on threatening and we breeze through the maps, its good to see people willing to help others out! I'm getting close to being able to effectively play on perilous, but I like to play on routine/threatening to meet new people! I start work at a new job in a month, so if anyone who played mp with me or would want to, drop a line, and I'll do anything I can to help out until then.

[Sophloph]

The rule I've always played by, and try to cater my friend list to is:

 

1) Follow the leader whether private or public

2) Open all doors my class can open, and go out of my way to get pots, so that we're not running around aimlessly at the end of a zone

3) Open door as soon as it is safely away from a big mob of enemies. Makes no sense to add the 3 enemies or spiders or undead to an already combat filled area, though spiders and undead do like no damage to anyone. Releasing a Saarebas into a zone thats in high heat can sometimes stink. If I am lower level, I will pop the door and either go in with someone that could definitely clear it, or announce opening door, but not clearing if I don't want to die.

4) If the key has dropped and someone decides to move forward, instead of get mad about it at the time, take notice that this group will advance in order to keep clearing time down. That way in the future if they are the only class capable of opening a certain door, ask nicely for them to open and I will clear the room.

 

Bottom line is its not worth getting mad at people over their preference of play, there is always the decision to not play with this person or people and there are so many people to play with at least on PS4. Even through the heated exchanges that can happen, we should all do a better job of keeping our chins up and try to enjoy the game. No one forces you to be in a certain game, and you can always roast them if you wish here on the forum

[lcneed]

That being said, I won't open a TR unless I can kill any baddies within. That is why I won't always open a NM TR during the run because the Revenants all still a bit over my pay grade.

 

You mean the TR chest right?  Because you should always open the TR.  You could luck out and get the 3 stooges or really luck out and get the spiders.   And remember map 1 has no revenant or arcane horror!

[Terrell_Campbe11]

I usually follow the leader as well. But the one thing that kind of grinds my gears is when people blatantly walk past the certain free doors that are along the direct path and require two steps past the door to get the chest. Anything that requires more walking I don't really care and will do whatever the rest of the group is doing.

[Sophloph]

Whatever the case may be, lets all just hug it out x.x Only thing of note on this topic is a certain player I have played with several times that not only waits until the key drops to get his/her room, but several times it has been so long and haphazard that I have to /facepalm and am surprised to still have him/her on my friends list. Not to mention the constant microphone echo commonly associated with this said person. Ayya.

[Terrell_Campbe11]

The other thing that grind my gears is if the zone is cleared and everyone is at the end and then the entire team runs back to doors. Someone should always operate the door warp portal after the treasure room is cleared assuming the members who are clearing are semi competent and not in above their heads in taking out possible guardians. All right, I'm done complaining now.

[lcneed]

I usually follow the leader as well. But the one thing that kind of grinds my gears is when people blatantly walk past the certain free doors that are along the direct path and require two steps past the door to get the chest. Anything that requires more walking I don't really care and will do whatever the rest of the group is doing.

 

Sometime I wish I could link URL in the game to other players.  Many of them need to read my treasure room guide post.

[AutumnWitch]

You mean the TR chest right?  Because you should always open the TR.  You could luck out and get the 3 stooges or really luck out and get the spiders.   And remember map 1 has no revenant or arcane horror!

 

Yea I will open the TR/Chest on NM/HB map one cuz I can handle spiders or those skeletons. It's just I don't want to let loose a Rev in map 2+ and die and ****** everyone off for dying.

[The Drone]

The other thing that grind my gears is if the zone is cleared and everyone is at the end and then the entire team runs back to doors. Someone should always operate the door warp portal after the treasure room is cleared assuming the members who are clearing are semi competent and not in above their heads in taking out possible guardians. All right, I'm done complaining now.

I don't get to use my mic a lot, and this happens more frequently than i like.

 

Warrior door is still locked, 3 of the team is waiting at the door while the warrior is waiting at the font.

 

Finally the warrior is on his way, I'll release to cover the font/door.

 

Warrior will follow me back to the font.  Ugh!  This dance can take several minutes.  Usually the warrior will just pull us forward anyway.  lol!  Just pull us if you're going to ignore the door that only YOU can open.

 

I really should just lead him all the way to the door, then release back to the font after he opens it.  

[lcneed]

Yea I will open the TR/Chest on NM/HB map one cuz I can handle spiders or those skeletons. It's just I don't want to let loose a Rev in map 2+ and die and ****** everyone off for dying.

 

Once you get the PI amulet it is easier to face the Rev solo.. he can't grab you.

[lcneed]

I don't get to use my mic a lot, and this happens more frequently than i like.

 

Warrior door is still locked, 3 of the team is waiting at the door while the warrior is waiting at the font.

 

Finally the warrior is on his way, I'll release to cover the font/door.

 

Warrior will follow me back to the font.  Ugh!  This dance can take several minutes.  Usually the warrior will just pull us forward anyway.  lol!  Just pull us if you're going to ignore the door that only YOU can open.

 

I really should just lead him all the way to the door, then release back to the font after he opens it.  

 

Usually when that happens, the other 2 classes by the door will try to open the door and you get the "I can't do this" dialogue unless the other 2 are silent sis and saarebas!  If the warrior was smart.. he/she will get it.. but it is probably 50/50.

[Snakebite]

It's a team game... IMO if you are at the point where you don't need to "team" maybe it's time to play a new game or just do solo runs in private games.

 

So I am supposed to keep my lobby of three players closed if I don't want to go out of my way to open doors, for the sake of the community?  And here I thought we were being helpful by playing with whoever joined, regardless of stats, gear, time played, etc.  I'm sure that the people who found my lobbies and stayed game after game found us helpful.  Maybe those that left after only one game didn't, and maybe it was because we didn't go out of our way to open the doors that are out of the way.  Either way, it's their prerogative whether they want to stay or go, and it's my and my friends prerogative to play how we want.  To insinuate that I am not a "team player" because I play the way that the majority of the players in our game wants to play is naive.

 

 

Hmmmm yes..... I guess saving all my pennies and retiring at 40 was a fallacy. 

 

Are you implying that you retired decades before average retirement age mostly due to saving small change whenever you could?

 

I work a job where I can see firsthand just how little regard people have for pennies and all change in general.  I can also collect all that change that people throw away (yes, people throw away a lot of change) with only a little extra effort on my part.  And you know what?  I do collect quarters, dimes, and nickles... but pennies?  I could easily collect tens of thousands of pennies a year, but it just wouldn't be worth my time.

 

Yes, I'm being rather literal, but even things like extreme couponing usually don't add up to be worth time expended going out of the way to save money.

[AutumnWitch]

So I am supposed to keep my lobby of three players closed if I don't want to go out of my way to open doors, for the sake of the community?  And here I thought we were being helpful by playing with whoever joined, regardless of stats, gear, time played, etc.  I'm sure that the people who found my lobbies and stayed game after game found us helpful.  Maybe those that left after only one game didn't, and maybe it was because we didn't go out of our way to open the doors that are out of the way.  Either way, it's their prerogative whether they want to stay or go, and it's my and my friends prerogative to play how we want.  To insinuate that I am not a "team player" because I play the way that the majority of the players in our game wants to play is naive.

 

 

 

Are you implying that you retired decades before average retirement age mostly due to saving small change whenever you could?

 

I work a job where I can see firsthand just how little regard people have for pennies and all change in general.  I can also collect all that change that people throw away (yes, people throw away a lot of change) with only a little extra effort on my part.  And you know what?  I do collect quarters, dimes, and nickles... but pennies?  I could easily collect tens of thousands of pennies a year, but it just wouldn't be worth my time.

 

Yes, I'm being rather literal, but even things like extreme couponing usually don't add up to be worth time expended going out of the way to save money.

 

 

1. Look you seem to be taking this personally and I didn't mean to sound like an ungrateful wench. However, it is my opinion that DAI-MP is most enjoyable when everyone works for the team. And this includes opening doors. It's easy to forget that people not as advanced as others still desperately need gold and loot and XP.  All of which can be attained by taking the extra few seconds to help clear rooms. That being said if you are running in a game that people don't care then fine whatever. But I find this "elitist" attitude "since I don't need it, who cares" to be counter to the spirit of the game in general. Like I have pointed out before EVERYONE started out at the same level, including you and when you needed the gold/treasure/XP I am sure you didn't mind when others helped you open TRs.

 

Plus, there is this notion if one starts a public game as the leader it affords you some special privileges. It doesn't. It just means one started the game and if people choose to do what one wishes then good, but any PUG is open to people trying to accomplish what they need. For example, dragons on Peri. Just because the leader doesn't need them they should not assume that the other three don't. If it's a PUG then it's simply the luck of the draw. If you want to run with a team of people following a set a clear goals, then have a private lobby. How hard is that?

 

The spirit of the game is a team game. I think too many people who have got lots of promotions have lost track of this especially concerning PUGs. There is always the SP game if one wants to have control over little thing. But in an open community game I think it best when everyone works together even if one deems it "below" their current needs.  I am not naive enough to think that most people will see it that way especially when they get powerful. But I am a kind hearted person and I love the spirit of the game so I desire to play these types of games. Like I have pointed out many times, each day I spend time in Routine and Threatening to pay back all the support I have received and encourage new players. It's supposed to be entertaining and fun, too many people lose track of that IMO.

 

 

2. Every penny counts is an expression simply meaning saving as much as you can, when you can adds up quickly. I have a jar in my room that I put all my loose change in everyday. In December I cash it out for presents and I normally have 500-1000 pounds within. I don't know where you come from, but that's is a considerable about of money that I could have easily pissed away on nothing. The fact is, every penny does count and they add up over time.

 

And yes, I saved money from all my pay packets and invested every single penny that I could squeeze out of them every pay period. I started when I was 12 and by the time I was 40 I had enough to live comfortably the rest of my life. All those deductions, even when they were just £10 added up over 30 years especially when invested properly.  Every penny counted to get me to my goal. So as an expression, yes, it did help me.

[KallenX]

Team game needs team players badly...   Seriously though, If you can't help out other players, why bother doing MP co-op.  I have seen a lot of fresh faces in Threatening lately (being relatively new myself), and i do what i can to not instantly write off a person who doesn't fkn wait for the chest card/coins to pop on screen before opening the zone door...   I really have little tolerance for people that almost seem to go out of their way to troll other players like that.

 

Perhaps it's simply a l2p issue, but this is the reason i dont often use a mic.  Verbal lashings doesn't change a persons awareness and i seem to recall not fully understanding the DAIMP gameplay at first either.  You can't really stop players from fading, but re-queuing with them after a good but failed effort i think sends a positive tone.. and in kind leaving a group after obscene ignorance is displayed.  It's a bit much when downed and waiting for a rez and player with no threats near runs over my body and off another direction rather than get me on my feet.  I do not re-queue with them, or outright leave the lobby.   This is with 3 fresh faces, if I'm with some of the regulars I play with like Autumn, that simply never happens.  I assume because the other 2 are learning from the example of the veterans.

 

Snakebite:  to casual or starting players.. they feel out the tone set by those who lead/take charge.  If you skip doors and zone through without letting others get the coins/cards to progress their players.. you're doing a dis-service to the community as a whole.   Like my video where i get kicked because i chose a different build for my reaver at that level, that turns people off from returning to the game, which in turn means it is much harder for those mid level players to try tougher content. 

 

I like the idea of going back to routine and helping out the truly green, as Autumn states she does.    It's really not all about the leaderboards so much as having fun.   If you have fun trolling other players, you really should go play battlefield, CoD, WoW PVP server or something.

 

PS: I also wonder whatever happened to the internet etiquette of lurking in a forum board or in a game before speaking out and telling others how to play.   keep your mic off in a new game and learn how to play, learn about something before spouting off.  It gets tiresome when someone green or as green as me tells me how to play or tries to micromanage my gaming.  Respect goes a long way, even if that means you wait 10 seconds for a chest to open.  The zerg mentality is one of many reasons i quit WoW.   It's not about speed, it's about quality.  Maybe I'm just getting old and not getting the hint to quit gaming.

[Rhorim]

It seems you're forcing your opinion of what team play is for DAIMP.  There has been at least two schools of thought that have their merits.  One the speed clear, and the other full clears.  Just because you deem speed clearers "elitist" doesn't mean you should be throwing your passive aggressive attitude around.  Gold has not nor will it ever be more important than XP, as long as RNG stays RNG.

[russ4ua16]

Some people just love reminding others that they're above needing gold or killing dragons.

I can't figure out why some are so proud of being on the leaderboard for a game that: 1) Bases its rankings off total time played as opposed to a ratio/percentage (aka skill) 2) has seen most of its leaderboarders quit because it's two years old.

Gold has not nor will it ever be more important than XP, as long as RNG stays RNG.

They're both important when you still need gear. My Scrooge avatar was chosen because of this debate back when the game was new. People argued all the time about this crap. One problem is that some leaderboarders ALWAYS mistakenly think they're carrying.

[KallenX]

There is no need to speed clear unless you're with players all at that particular stat zone and it's easily doable and who want to do it.  When i run solo, i will skip gold jars because it doesn't matter.  With others, that gold means more rng chances for gearing up and more mats.  Eventually the mats don't matter I suppose when 1 out of 20 chests might have something useful. 

 

When there are other players who are at a stat disadvantage, you're simply gratifying your ego at the expense of someone else's enjoyment of the game when you speed through and leave them to die.  I push forward sometimes, but will always run back and rez/open doors because the game is about me AND 3 other players.

[AutumnWitch]

It seems you're forcing your opinion of what team play is for DAIMP.  There has been at least two schools of thought that have their merits.  One the speed clear, and the other full clears.  Just because you deem speed clearers "elitist" doesn't mean you should be throwing your passive aggressive attitude around.  Gold has not nor will it ever be more important than XP, as long as RNG stays RNG.

 

Well if there is a the school of thought is to have an incomplete run through (by not clearing everything) so be it. Seems a bit counter-intuitive to me. I personally like to complete a task and not just leave off what I don't feel like doing. Plus, like I said before, if your goal is to get more XP not clearing the TRs is just a waste of free points. The time it you make up from not clearing rooms certainly does not really equate to more XP by running off to the next match. You'd have to skip hundreds of TRs before you even make up the time to clear a few map areas, whereas you are leaving free/easy XP unclaimed. Makes no sense at all.

 

What this really is, is people not needing XP/GOLD/LOOT and are hell bent of promotions, which is fine I suppose. But if I get to the point where only promotions matter, I will stop playing as what's the point? To get your name on or higher on a leader board? Ok...